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CatYaaak said:
JetBlast2000 said:
I don’t think I claimed it was the best ever… If you gotta get your cherry popped, it’s as good a plane as any.;)
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Indeed you didn't, and I suppose it is. Another good thing...as an A&P you won't be trying to tell us how an aircraft "never breaks" and that a short manufacturer's warranty is a reflection of this.
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We all know that if you fly it, it will break. In terms of warranty length, it would be a stretch to say that Embraer does not stand behind their product or that the product is sub-standard based on the length of the warranty. On the flip side, I’ve talk to a few mechanics that have worked on the Legacy. They told me that the airline background of the a/c has made fixing it relatively fast and easy. With a CMC that tells you what’s broken, you can ‘swap’ units and do some good trouble shooting in a short timeframe. And if you’ve spend any time in the Hell Hole of a Lear 35 trying trouble shoot the DEECS with your entire body jammed in the tail (and try not to do any damage anything as you get out), or a Lear 60 where you have to pull out the APU just to do anything in back (like change the ships battery). I don’t know what the spares situation is, but I understand that it is very compatible with its’ airline version.

At any rate, I’m glad I’m up front now…!
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JetBlast2000 said:
We all know that if you fly it, it will break. In terms of warranty length, it would be a stretch to say that Embraer does not stand behind their product or that the product is sub-standard based on the length of the warranty. On the flip side, I’ve talk to a few mechanics that have worked on the Legacy. They told me that the airline background of the a/c has made fixing it relatively fast and easy. With a CMC that tells you what’s broken, you can ‘swap’ units and do some good trouble shooting in a short timeframe.......I don’t know what the spares situation is, but I understand that it is very compatible with its’ airline version.

At any rate, I’m glad I’m up front now…!
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This is exactly what I tell people about my beloved, airliner-derived Legacyski! And on the Yak you don't even need to twiddle around with a sissy, new-age CMC to tell you where there might be a problem...you just follow the breadcrumb-trails of fluids, parts, or smoke back to the source. And if you find the source to be something other than what is the norm and is actually broken, it's easily remedied with merely a hangar queen and a hammer. If, in the unlikely event THAT doesn't work, just keep another case of vodka lying around for the YakDrivers.

You're right about being up front though, because it's always better to be first at the scene of the crash.

"Yak puts the "fun" back in "funeral""
 
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mmmdonut said:
stfu.... get back into the kitchen and leave the plane talk to men
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Nothing like a good dose of misogyny to spice up a thread. What's the matter, pardner, couldn't get a date to the high school prom and never could quite bring yourself to forgive the girls for that injustice?

Muddy
 
Muddauber said:
Nothing like a good dose of misogyny to spice up a thread. What's the matter, pardner, couldn't get a date to the high school prom and never could quite bring yourself to forgive the girls for that injustice?

Muddy
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MMMDonut won't be answering you, he seems to be "permanently disposed of" at this time... ;)
 
Tina Fey's Scar said:
Can someone please explain the OF DEATH part of WSCoD to me? I can't think of any Legacy or ERJ-135/145 that has killed someone. I do recall a Gulfstream that crashed at HOU last year though.
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Thank-you for bringing this back to front of corporate. After 19 pages we need to discuss this some more.
 
I thought this thread had been hijacked to discuss the virtues of the Worker's Airplane, Yak 40. The Legacy is an obvious inferior copy of that workhorse of the Steppe. Not since the Sturmovik has there been such a plane. Wasn't Brazil where all of the enemies of the Fatherland went to hide after the Great Patriotic War? Is this not their work, and is it not to the detriment of the Revolution that we continue discussing it?
 
FlyFlyFly said:
I thought this thread had been hijacked to discuss the virtues of the Worker's Airplane, Yak 40. The Legacy is an obvious inferior copy of that workhorse of the Steppe. Not since the Sturmovik has there been such a plane. Wasn't Brazil where all of the enemies of the Fatherland went to hide after the Great Patriotic War? Is this not their work, and is it not to the detriment of the Revolution that we continue discussing it?
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Well said, Comrade. Indeed, this pathetic attempt to copy the mighty Yak is plainly the work of those treacherous enemies of the Motherland and undoubtedly joined by the now-grown sonnenkinder they've spawned while hiding like vermin in the jungle after being mightily crushed by the Heros of the victorious Red Army.
 
CatYaaak said:
Well said, Comrade. Indeed, this pathetic attempt to copy the mighty Yak is plainly the work of those treacherous enemies of the Motherland and undoubtedly joined by the now-grown sonnenkinder they've spawned while hiding like vermin in the jungle after being mightily crushed by the Heros of the victorious Red Army.
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i know where you got that one from...

http://uk.imdb.com/title/tt0077269/plotsummary
 
Well boys, it looks like LegacyDriver is back for an unprecidented 4th return as "LegacyIIDriver"...

I guess he got tired of his other screennames...

Skull-One (yes, the infamous "Wrongfully Terminated RJ Captain" returns for a fourth time!)
LegacyDriver
vraciu

When will the fun ever end??? :confused:

But wait, with the new software upgrade... :rolleyes:

Prepare to be inundated with "Legends of the Legacy"!!! :rolleyes:
 
Falcon Capt said:
Well boys, it looks like LegacyDriver is back for an unprecidented 4th return as "LegacyIIDriver"...

I guess he got tired of his other screennames...

Skull-One (yes, the infamous "Wrongfully Terminated RJ Captain" returns for a fourth time!)
LegacyDriver
vraciu

When will the fun ever end??? :confused:

But wait, with the new software upgrade... :rolleyes:

Prepare to be inundated with "Legends of the Legacy"!!! :rolleyes:
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What's the new software upgrade?
 
Falcon Capt said:
Supposedly with the "New Software Upgrade" the WSofD will be able to attain FL410 vs. of FL390 or something of the sort...
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I talked to an Embraer rep last month and he told me they will not certify the 145 to more than 370 because it is not necessary. They flew the plane to 440 with no problems.
 
I flew out to Phoenix yesterday in my little Falcon and spotted a WSofD parked next to a GV on Cutter's ramp; it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out which one was the better ride........the Falcon of course:D
 
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Pedro said:
I talked to an Embraer rep last month and he told me they will not certify the 145 to more than 370 because it is not necessary. They flew the plane to 440 with no problems.
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And why would it not be "Necessary"??? Weather never gets above FL370? Turbulence is never less above FL370? The engines aren't more efficient above FL370? Winds aren't more favorable above FL370?

C'Mon, give me a break, anyone who says something that stupid is trying to make up for their products shortfallings... Yeah, it probably went to FL440 once, green with no interior (ie. weight)...
 
Falcon Capt said:
And why would it not be "Necessary"??? Weather never gets above FL370? Turbulence is never less above FL370? The engines aren't more efficient above FL370? Winds aren't more favorable above FL370?

C'Mon, give me a break, anyone who says something that stupid is trying to make up for their products shortfallings... Yeah, it probably went to FL440 once, green with no interior (ie. weight)...
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I doubt that, we can get to FL370 at 1500 fpm.
I guess not necessary because it was suposed to be a regional jet.
Also, that's what he said, not what I said.
 
I'm sure GVFlyer can give us the real story on this, but I'll bet to re-certify the airplane to 410 would require much more work than it's worth; maybe a total rerun of some major tests on design, systems and structure, I'm sure it's not something easy as just a "paperwork change". That's probably the reason why Gulfstream didn't increase the maximum certified altitude of the G350/G450, IMHO! One question for you GV', why did you guys lower the gross weight of the G450?

BTW, on my flight to and from Phoenix, the rides were light to moderate all the way between Chicago to Pueblo below 410........all ther corporate guys were 410 and above in smooth air:D It's nice to have that option to climb out of the turbulence and not "ride it out" for 3 hours!
 
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I'm sure GVFlyer can give us the real story on this, but I'll bet to re-certify the airplane to 410 would require much more work than it's worth; maybe a total rerun of some major tests on design, systems and structure, I'm sure it's not something easy as just a "paperwork change". That's probably the reason why Gulfstream didn't increase the maximum certified altitude of the G350/G450, IMHO! One question for you GV', why did you guys lower the gross weight of the G450?

BTW, on my flight to and from Phoenix, the rides were light to moderate all the way between Chicago to Pueblo below 410........all ther corporate guys were 410 and above in smooth air:D It's nice to have that option to climb out of the turbulence and not "ride it out" for 3 hours!
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The Legacy will be FL410 capable next month. It was already re-certified for it.
 
Falcon Capt said:
Supposedly with the "New Software Upgrade" the WSofD will be able to attain FL410 vs. of FL390 or something of the sort...
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You guys have NO credibility whatsoever. You can't even get the simplest facts about the airplane right but you lecture everyone about how inferior it is.

The Legacy (IV) will be FL410 capable. All new Legacy aircraft built after I believe S/N 900 will be FL410 capable from the factory. EXISTING Legacy aircraft require a software upgrade for the pressurization controller and a new outflow valve in the tail to meet this new standard.

It is a done deal. We are just waiting for the mod kit.
 
fokkerjet said:
I flew out to Phoenix yesterday in my little Falcon and spotted a WSofD parked next to a GV on Cutter's ramp; it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out which one was the better ride........the Falcon of course:D
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I think those Legacy jets there are not on Cutter's ramp. They are on Swift's ramp. Swift is the distributor of the jet, not Cutter.
 
Crizz said:
I was just razzin ya man...

This whole thread is trivial and ridiculous.
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Sorry about that. This thread has lost any ounce of humor it may have had, but I did realize you were kidding. I wasn't. It is hideous!

:)

I thought this was just a good informative discussion, but anyone who supports the Legacy gets personally attacked. So much for adulthood around here...

All I know is, there are about 75 Legacy jets worldwide and not ONE is up for sale. (Insert Falcon Captain Smart Arse Comment Here.) This is in reality because the people who have them like them. It's nice to have an airplane that isn't in MX all the time.

The Legacy jets aren't the fastest, highest, or longest-ranged. But they offer a very good product for a very good price. A lot of people think it is a good deal and I see a great future for the Legacy if Embraer stands behind it.

Rumor has it a 4,200 NM version is in the works... Wouldn't be hard to do.
 
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The software upgrade for the higher certified altitude... is that like chipping the ECU of a car? Can you do it in your garage or do you have to take it somewhere? Does the chip fix the problems with the pressure vessel that originally kept them from certifying for a higher altitude?

With the extended range mod that means you can break down further from home? Far enough away so that there is absolutely no support for the airplane?

Please let me know. I can't wait to fill in all these Gulfstream and Falcon operators on the incredibly stupid mistakes they have made...
 
LegacyIIDriver said:
Sorry about that. This thread has lost any ounce of humor it may have had.
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No it hasn't. The WSCofD still cracks me up. It was so funny that I had to share it with my boss last time we were parked next to one in MKE. He thinks it hysterical as well. Every time we go by one he screams "WSCofD ... things could be worse!"

What makes it even better was some middle management guys were on the airplane and have spent many hours on EMB135 &145's. They confirmed as a passenger how noisy and uncomfortable this airframe is.

Go ahead ... correct me now I need a good laugh.

PS If someone wanted to pay me to fly one I would do so happily. Anytime you get paid (well) to fly it really does not matter what you fly.
 
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