Legacy Bashfest - Bring it on!

banned username 2 · Apr 11, 2005

LegacyIIDriver said:
Meanwhile, you have yet again avoided the issue, namely your inability to accurately quote Legacy performance data...

Thats because you haven't given us any, except your own generalizations... I don't fly a WSCofD, so I don't have any manuals for it... But the guys who have come to this thread who HAVE flown it gave us all the details we need to know, about the WSCofD and even some details about the "Incident" of yours (those details, of course, were in PM's)... C'mon, tell the world YOUR story...

banned username 2 · Apr 11, 2005

GVFlyer said:
Let me remind you how the G350 compares to the Legacy.

A 12 month Dispatch Reliability of 99.85% - Legacy ?

Hidden Data, but if WSCofDdriver says it never breaks, we are all supposed to believe him... He has been SO accurate and forthcoming with all the other data!

GVFlyer said:
Range - Normal Cruise: 3,800 nm @ M 0.80 - Legacy 3220 nm@ M 0.74 / 2950 nm @ M 0.78

Range - High Speed Cruise: 3,100 nm @ M 0.85 - Legacy range at M 0.80 not published

WHOA! DOGGIE!!!! What happened to the mere 150 NM range penalty WSCofDdriver claimed when speeding up from Mach 0.74 to Mach 0.80??? So now we see the REAL numbers, a 270 NM range penalty when speeding up from Mach 0.74 up to only Mach 0.78, this would simply lead one to believe that there would be a significantly large range penalty if speed was increased to Mach 0.80, we all know about Drag Polars, my guess... we would see a range at Mach 0.80 of around 2800 NM (actually probably a tad less, but I'll be generous)... Oh, and WSCofDdriver, here is the stuff from Embraers web site... This even shows it utilizing FL410 and still only getting 3250 NM range (at Mach 0.74) http://www.legacybyembraer.com/english/content/executive/mission.asp

GVFlyer said:
Max. Cruise Speed: M 0.88 - Legacy M 0.80

Max speed is Mach 0.80, and WSCofDdriver is trying to claim he can get almost max range at max speed??? Someone slept through aerodynamics class...

GVFlyer said:
Min. initial Alt: FL410 - Legacy FL370

FL370, right where an RJ should be, out of our way!

GVFlyer said:
Max. Alt: FL450 (Cabin Alt. 5980 ft.) - Legacy FL390 (8100 ft) / FL410 (8800 ft.)

8,800 ft cabin altitude??? Do the masks deploy so the pax don't pass out???

GVFlyer said:
T/O Dist MGTOW: 5,050 - Legacy 5,770

Hey, it's an RJ, oh wait, it's not an RJ, oh wait, it IS an RJ... WSCofDdriver can't make up his mind if it is or isn't like the RJ... But from the long runway numbers, I'd say it is an RJ...

GVFlyer said:
Cabin Dimensions: 40'4"L X 6'2"H X 7'4" W - Legacy 43L (including cockpit) X 5'10" H X 6'11" W

Now, now... Mini-Me needs an airplane too!

GVFlyer said:
Max. Load w/ full fuel: 2,858 lb - Legacy 1,605 lb

Marketing that BIG cabin but not the performance to fill it up and go long range, hhmmm....

GVFlyer said:
Does Legacy have a jet on standby to fly parts to customers who are AOG?

No need, it NEVER breaks, according to WSCofDdriver... And by golly, if it does, you can just walk over to the terminal and pull a part off of one of the RJ's... oh wait, it's not an RJ, oh wait, it IS an RJ...

GVFlyer said:
And by the way, your little apochryphal anecdote about the G550 captain who could not find a lens is absurd - if Gulfstream does not have a part in inventory, they will pull it off an in-production aircraft coming down the production line, put it on the G100 Airborne Product Support airplane and fly it to you.

Not surprising, yet more inaccuracies, hey WSCodDdriver, were/are you a used car salesman on the side???

For those of you tuning in late...

WSCofDdriver = LegacyIIDriver, vraciu, LegacyDriver, Skull-One (yes, the one and famous)

WSCofD = Whistling S-Can of Death = Embraer Legacy (This accurate name given by a 2,000+ hour in type EMB-135/145 Pilot) http://forums.flightinfo.com/showpost.php?p=470096&postcount=54

CatYaaak · Apr 11, 2005

Falcon Capt said:
Now, now... Mini-Me needs an airplane too!

and Oompa Loompas. Don't forget the Oompa Loompas.

LegacyIIDriver · Apr 11, 2005

Falcon Capt said:
Thats because you haven't given us any, except your own generalizations... I don't fly a WSCofD, so I don't have any manuals for it... But the guys who have come to this thread who HAVE flown it gave us all the details we need to know, about the WSCofD and even some details about the "Incident" of yours (those details, of course, were in PM's)... C'mon, tell the world YOUR story...

This even shows it utilizing FL410 and still only getting 3250 NM range (at Mach 0.74) http://www.legacybyembraer.com/engl...ive/mission.asp

Originally Posted by GVFlyer
Min. initial Alt: FL410 - Legacy FL370

GVFlyer, MAX. DIRECT INITIAL ALTITUDE IS FL390 (or FL380 if we're going to count DIRECTION as a factor--and it may be FL400 when the mod comes online, we don't know yet), *NOT* FL370. YOU ARE NOT USING THE PROPER DATA. EITHER GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT OR SHUT UP.

The bulk of the rest of your data is wrong as well so I won't bother refuting you *again*.

FL390, 8 Pax, Bags, FULL FUEL, Field Length of approx. 5,600 (NOT 5,770 as you assert):

http://www.legacybyembraer.com/english/content/executive/payload.asp

LegacyIIDriver · Apr 11, 2005

Originally Posted by GVFlyer
And by the way, your little apochryphal anecdote about the G550 captain who could not find a lens is absurd - if Gulfstream does not have a part in inventory, they will pull it off an in-production aircraft coming down the production line, put it on the G100 Airborne Product Support airplane and fly it to you.

This Driver obviously felt otherwise.

Me: What happened?
Him: Taxied us into a pole.
Me: Doesn't look too bad. Should be easy to replace that cover and go.
Him: If we could get one.
Me: You mean Gulfstream doesn't have one?
Him: Of *course* not!

So much for that LEGENDARY warranty.

LegacyIIDriver · Apr 11, 2005

Originally Posted by FalconCapt

WSCofDdriver = LegacyIIDriver, vraciu, LegacyDriver, Skull-One (yes, the one and famous)

That's ninth time you've brought that up. Give it a rest already. If Admin could find out why my original login won't work I'd go back to using it. I'm not ashamed to use that userid if it would work, though for some reason you seem to think otherwise.

Looks like more proof that I'm winning the argument when you resort to this kind of attempt at a smear....

Oh, and it should be "infamous" not famous.

banned username 2 · Apr 11, 2005

LegacyIIDriver said:
They're using the FL390 numbers. The numbers for range at FL410 have not been released yet... How many times do I have to say it?

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Get it? Got it? GOOOOOOOOOD.

Obviously, you can not read... http://www.legacybyembraer.com/english/content/executive/mission.asp Range 3,250 NM, FL 390 stepping to FL410, Mach 0.74, right from the manufacture.

GVFlyer · Apr 11, 2005

LegacyIIDriver said:
GVFlyer, MAX. DIRECT INITIAL ALTITUDE IS FL390 (or FL380 if we're going to count DIRECTION as a factor--and it may be FL400 when the mod comes online, we don't know yet), *NOT* FL370. YOU ARE NOT USING THE PROPER DATA. EITHER GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT OR SHUT UP.

The bulk of the rest of your data is wrong as well so I won't bother refuting you *again*.

In that Gulfstream Sales Engineering does not consider the Legacy to be a serious business jet, they have not performed a Competitive Analysis on the Embraer product.

Subsequently, I had to use Conklin & deDecker data. If you believe it to be incorrect you can forward your complaints and provide the necessary corrections to them directly.

Headquarters

Conklin & de Decker Associates
62B Cranberry Highway
Orleans, MA 02653
Telephone 508.255.5975
Facsimile 508.255.9380
Email [email protected]

GV

LegacyIIDriver · Apr 11, 2005

Falcon Capt said:
Obviously, you can not read... http://www.legacybyembraer.com/english/content/executive/mission.asp Range 3,250 NM, FL 390 stepping to FL410, Mach 0.74, right from the manufacture.

That is a "Mission Profile" analysis using FL390 numbers but showing a climb to FL410. One of the things people always turned their noses at was the FL390 limitation. Hence they are emphasizing the FL410 capability but are not yet releasing any performance data on range for FL410.

My direct contact at Embraer says they are leaving the range UNCHANGED from the FL390 data for the time being.

The airplane is a 3250NM jet at FL390 and .74M (officially).
It is a 3110NM jet at FL390 and .80M (officially).

Both cases with 8 pax and NBAA Reserves.

FL390
http://www.legacybyembraer.com/engl...ive/payload.asp

LegacyIIDriver · Apr 11, 2005

GVFlyer said:
Subsequently, I had to use Conklin & deDecker data. If you believe it to be incorrect you can forward your complaints and provide the necessary corrections to them directly.

GV

You have been corrected by others as well on the data but you continue to use it in bad faith. Give it a rest.

CatYaaak · Apr 11, 2005

GVFlyer said:
In that Gulfstream Sales Engineering does not consider the Legacy to be a serious business jet, they have not performed a Competitive Analysis on the Embraer product.

Subsequently, I had to use Conklin & deDecker data. If you believe it to be incorrect you can forward your complaints and provide the necessary corrections to them directly.

Headquarters
Conklin & de Decker Associates
62B Cranberry Highway
Orleans, MA 02653
Telephone 508.255.5975
Facsimile 508.255.9380
Email [email protected]

GV

GV...

You realize, of course, that he's probably never heard of Conklin & deDecker?

WSCoDriver....

After seeing all those numbers I realize I've been making a big mistake. I don't need to compare your WSCoD to a Falcon 2000EX.....a straight 2000 (for the same aquisition price) has the same range, but then goes on to either beat or downright hammer the WSCoD pretty much in every category....and for lower DOCs.

Oh, and the Falcon looks way, way, way WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY better. Chicks love it.

banned username 2 · Apr 11, 2005

LegacyIIDriver said:
One of the things people always turned their noses at was the FL390 limitation. Hence they are emphasizing the FL410 capability but are not yet releasing any performance data on range for FL410.

My direct contact at Embraer says they are leaving the range UNCHANGED from the FL390 data for the time being.

Because there is no appreciable range increase going from FL390 to FL410 and the manufacture (and it's engineers) know this... If there was a range increase, you can be sure Embraer would be touting that fact loud and clear!

People turn their noses at the Legacy because they read this thread and realize how much BS you are trying to push... Have you not realized no one has backed you up??? Even your "Long Lost Legacy Lovin' Buddy, Silver Wings" is no where to be found! He even came to his senses... Now it's your turn...

CatYaaak · Apr 11, 2005

Falcon Capt said:
Even your "Long Lost Legacy Lovin' Buddy, Silver Wings" is no where to be found! He even came to his senses... Now it's your turn...

I was kind of convinced WSCoDriver and Silver Wings were the same person. A lot of the sentence structuring was the same in his posts, not to mention bits of the same type of schizophrenic debating. And it was always a little too creepy the way when WSCoDriver was getting his a$$ handed to him again (and again and again) Silver Wings would show up in the nick of time (to no avail) and they would immediately launch into a two-person, Legacy circle-jerk. As a matter of fact, I think someone pointed this out, immediately after which SilverWings went "poof!". I mean, if a guy can have 4 names, what's a few more?

WSCoDD Driver....you said you recently did a 19.5 hr two-day trip. Did you occupy both seats too?..in your head, I mean.

banned username 2 · Apr 11, 2005

CatYaaak said:
I was kind of convinced WSCoDriver and Silver Wings were the same person. A lot of the sentence structuring was the same in his posts, not to mention bits of the same type of schizophrenic debating.

Believe it or not, they are actually 2 different (and probably equally unbalanced) individuals... Silver Wings was from/in Europe...

Diesel · Apr 11, 2005

I love the fact that WSCOD keeps touting this new MOD that's going to come out and solve the worlds problems.

The difference between 390 and 410? A smooth ride.

Diesel · Apr 11, 2005

Holy crap 37 pages.

Look i fly a X. Yeah it's fast and goes high but it breaks more than friggin anything.

You don't see me touting how great the plane is. It goes fast and eats up runway.

All of airplanes have a roll. WSCOD's roll is to be a cheap corp imitation jet.

banned username 2 · Apr 11, 2005

Diesel said:
Holy crap 37 pages.

YUP, 37 friggin pages, all started by WSCofDdriver himself... and what exactly has he accomplished with this wonderful thread he started??? MANY more people today (than before this thread) now are convinced that the WSCofD is infact merely a poor immitation of a Corporate Jet...

The funny thing is, he started this thread to "defend" his pride and joy (still to this day no one can figure out why, but that is an entirely different story!) and what happened? A bunch of EMB drivers show up and tell us what a POS the airplane it... and one, even gave it the now infamous name WSCofD!!! Now if THAT alone isn't worth 37 pages, 556 replies and 18,532 reads, I don't know what is!!!

One wrongfully Terminated RJ Captain = 9 months arbitration with associated legal fees

Registering at FlightInfo = Free

Posting a thread to defend your pride & joy aircraft = Free

Earning your aircraft a name that will live forever = PRICELESS!

WSCofD!!!

CatYaaak · Apr 11, 2005

Falcon Capt said:
Believe it or not, they are actually 2 different (and probably equally unbalanced) individuals... Silver Wings was from/in Europe...

Are you honestly telling me that there are 2 (TWO!) individuals, and these 2 individuals not only devolved to the point of holding delusions of WSCoD supremacy, but did so independently of each other?....spawned from 2 seperate continents, no less??......neither of which contains Brazil???!!!

You're scaring me, man.

Neither of these guys sounds old enough to have been born before the halt of above-ground nuclear testing, so unless we can show there was a lot of sunspot activity that year, we really MUST do something about the illegal dumping of toxic chemicals.

banned username 2 · Apr 11, 2005

CatYaaak said:
Are you honestly telling me that there are 2 (TWO!) individuals, and these 2 individuals not only devolved to the point of holding delusions of WSCoD supremacy, but did so independently of each other?....spawned from 2 seperate continents, no less??......neither of which contains Brazil???!!!

You're scaring me, man.

Neither of these guys sounds old enough to have been born before the halt of above-ground nuclear testing, so unless we can show there was a lot of sunspot activity that year, we really MUST do something about the illegal dumping of toxic chemicals.

Yeah, I agree, it is quite disturbing to think that individuals such as these are allowed to roam society freely... Or perhaps they have recently installed Internet access at the looney-bin! (Which would explain a LOT!)

CatYaaak · Apr 11, 2005

Falcon Capt said:
Earning your aircraft a name that will live forever = PRICELESS!

WSCofD!!!

ATC: "Falcon XXXX, stop your climb at FL 350, and reduce to .73 mach or less"

FalconCapt: "XXXX Center, WTFO????"

ATC: "Sorry guys, slower traffic above you, same direction, doing their best impression of a high altitude road block".

FalconCapt: "Aw...don't tell me..."

ATC: "Yeah (sigh)....it's a WSCoD"

FalconCapt: " a &%*^% WSCOD! I knew it! Can't you have it...you know....shot down or something?

ATC: "In my dreams Falcon, but they don't let me live out my fantasies when I work. Can you give me .83 or better?

FalconCapt: "Sure"

ATC: "Okay, increase to .83 or better. As soon as you're clear I'll climb you up in front of that mother......ing WSCoD close enough to show him what a real airplane looks like."

FalconCapt: "Okay, we only smelled him before, but now we have the WSCoD traffic in sight at 20 miles...make that 12 mile...7 mi....no wait, 4 miles.....whoa!,..Center, I've never seen the a$$-end of an airplane tail come at me so fast!"

ATC: "Heh heh, yeah, I heard we made them paint stripes on 'em so you other guys wouldn't mistake 'em for clouds. Falcon XXXX, I know this is an understatement, but WSCoD traffic no factor. Climb now to FL 450"

FalconCapt: "Climbing to FL450, Falcon XXXX.....$**&^ing WSCoD"

ATC: "You said it, man....*$(&#@ WSCoD"...

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