Legacy Bashfest - Bring it on!

[sydeseet]

Right back at ya.......imp:

I understand that this airplane will single-handedly, wipe Gulfstream off the face of the earth:bomb:

(That should be good for 25 pages )

It's inevitable that a company like Gulfstream with outdated engineering, a boring product line, and absolutely no concept of customer support will be booted off the market by a company like Embraer. The E1000 is only the beginning - I hear the fine folks in Brazil are planning an airplane with a .85M max cruise speed and a 4001NM range. Gulfstream cannot and should not even attempt to keep up with this sort of ingenuity. Customers will start cancelling G450 & 550 orders in droves by the next NBAA get together when Embraer announces their new "Stealth Jungle Jet 1000." (You can't see it behind the service center doors). We in the falcon family don't even answer the phone anymore when the Savannah crew calls just in case a call from Brazil is in the works - gotta keep that line clear after all. It's only a matter of time my friends and the future don't look too pretty.:uzi:

It's a shame GV washed out of school but I think it's for the best.:crying:





That should add an additional 25 pages. This could top the "Keep it going" thead.

 

[rice]

Now thats some funny $hit!!!!!:laugh:

 

[LegacyDriver]

Okay, I'll bite, but we should probably move this to a new thread called "LINEAGE BASH FEST".

- E-170/190 first EASA certified aircraft.

- HGS, CAT III, Autoland Capability Installed and CERTIFIED

- Unlike the BBJ and ACJ, the airplane has a lot of baggage space. You want baggage space in the BBJ and ACJ you trade off fuel from what I am told. Not on the 190.

- 0.82M, FL410, 4,200NM

- Lineage $40.95m complete for 19 pax interior. Compare that to a DA900EX or a G450. Lineage pretty good deal all the way around it seems.

- The Lineage is going to have the steep approach certification just like the Legacy.... Will the G450 go into London City?

- Someone is bashing on the 170's avionics... All I can say is, Embraer delivered their airplane on time and in working order. EASy and PLANEVIEW, though wonderful (I have seen the Gulfstream's and it was awesome) were plagued with development issues and delays from what I understand. Embraer supported their customers ON SITE, too, and worked very hard to address and resolve the issues its clients were concerned about.

 

[BlueCanoe]

...apologies...

Dear corporate aviation:

We at RAH are deeply apologetic for firing (or under his description "resigning") "Legacy Driver" and unleashing him on your world and forums. Although we weren't sad to see him go, we figured the flight levels would be safe. His attempt at going undercover failed merely due to the fact that his writing style hasn't changed since his "Skull-1" days and his Bedford quote is still in his tagline.

With sincere humbleness, we beg your forgiveness.

BlueCanoe

 

[banned username 2]

Dear corporate aviation:

We at RAH are deeply apologetic for firing (or under his description "resigning") "Legacy Driver" and unleashing him on your world and forums. Although we weren't sad to see him go, we figured the flight levels would be safe. His attempt at going undercover failed merely due to the fact that his writing style hasn't changed since his "Skull-1" days and his Bedford quote is still in his tagline.

With sincere humbleness, we beg your forgiveness.

BlueCanoe

EVERYONE knows that LegacyDriver is in fact Skull-1... He was "outed" many months ago and has been given a reprieve with the understanding that he will behave...

 

[mzaharis]

- Unlike the BBJ and ACJ, the airplane has a lot of baggage space. You want baggage space in the BBJ and ACJ you trade off fuel from what I am told. Not on the 190.

- 0.82M, FL410, 4,200NM

But if you only have enough tanks in a BBJ or ACJ for 4,200 NM of range (range with all 10 aux. tanks is 6,000 NM for the BBJ - I believe that you could leave most of them out and still reach 4,200NM), wouldn't you have plenty of cargo space? Not a big deal, but just trying to compare something closer to "apples to apples".

Wouldn't a better comparison be that new A318-based CJ? Probably in a similar price ballpark (thought I read somewhere that it goes for 45 mil or so - I believe that this is the finished price, but I could be wrong), 4,000 NM range, 5,000 sq ft. (about 5% less range, 20% more floor space than the Lineage)?

EDITED FOR NEW PRICE INFO

 

[LegacyDriver]

EVERYONE knows that LegacyDriver is in fact Skull-1... He was "outed" many months ago and has been given a reprieve with the understanding that he will behave...

Thanks Falcon. I was wondering if we should welcome BlueCanoe to June 2005. Glad he finally caught up.

 

[LegacyDriver]

But if you only have enough tanks in a BBJ or ACJ for 4,200 NM of range (range with all 10 aux. tanks is 6,000 NM for the BBJ - I believe that you could leave most of them out and still reach 4,200NM), wouldn't you have plenty of cargo space? Not a big deal, but just trying to compare something closer to "apples to apples".

Wouldn't a better comparison be that new A318-based CJ? Probably in a similar price ballpark (thought I read somewhere that it goes for 45 mil or so - I believe that this is the finished price, but I could be wrong), 4,000 NM range, 5,000 sq ft. (about 5% less range, 20% more floor space than the Lineage)?

EDITED FOR NEW PRICE INFO

I will have to defer to the BBJ and ACJ experts on this one. But I feel my original point is still valid in that the Lineage (I hate that name) is pretty competitive in that market and has its own set of advantages.

 

[fokkerjet]

WSCoD approved for LCY, but not a Gulfstream What's up with that?

Fokker 70 /100 is certified for autoland, it's able CAT III, plus it's approved for LCY. :beer:

 

[BlueCanoe]

I'd drop my 170 for a G1159 anything anyday....