Lee Moak and DAL Execs are gonna screw us again..Beware!

[FUZZO]

All DAL Pilots:

This cannot be taken lightly, no matter if you are a 777FO or an 88CA!!!

Spent some time the last two days working with a few union guys and company 4th floor types and this is what concerns me. The company wants to get a 100 seater on property badly. The ideal move is apparently to take the 195s and put them at Compass until the C-Series can be announced probably 3 years from now. The company says to the union it would only be temporarily and that then they would put them at mainline. The thought is that a better option would be available then(the C-series maybe) and for the time they could really take advantage of cost structure at Compass. The union is actually entertaining this idea. They feel that a solution can be negotiated and that these 100 seaters will by DAL's good graces come back over to mainline. Are we all naive enough to think that DALs execs will not find a way to never see a DAL seniority list pilot flying those? I cannot over emphasize the need to write every rep current and recently elected and to make sure they are telling the company NO!!! We all fly with guys who stay so far outta touch with this stuff because they think they are senior enough for it not to matter, but it will. Their quality of life will go down and make no mistake....Delta will furlough all the recent new hires if this happens. Lee Moak must hear your voice and it better be now or else I can guarantee that there will be alot of Delta Pilots without jobs very soon. Get to work guys, spread the word, and be heard!!!

 

[filejw]

Maybe with a drop dead timeline but my real reaction is no hell no.....

 

[FlyAuburn]

God I hope that doesn't happen. Good luck.

 

[redflyer65]

I thought the General said this would never happen!

 

[FUZZO]

I thought the General said this would never happen!

Well it is in the process of moving that way.

 

[HalinTexas]

God I hope that doesn't happen. Good luck.

Again!

DALPA gave up the RJ's in 1996. I have a feeling they'll do it again. And when they do, APA/AMR will be right behind them.

Scope. It's not just for bad breath.

 

[FUZZO]

Maybe with a drop dead timeline but my real reaction is no hell no.....

And to further that reaction you have emailed and called your reps??? If you haven't and assume others have spoken and your reps already know. WRONG!!! They don't I can assure you this after spending the last couple of days with some. There are actually people representing us that feel this would immediately bring profits to Delta and would benefit us as Delta Pilots.

 

[FUZZO]

Again!

DALPA gave up the RJ's in 1996. I have a feeling they'll do it again. And when they do, APA/AMR will be right behind them.

Exactly Halin. The light that was shed my way is that Delta can be an airline only in theory if our executives are allowed to have their way. JVs and contract flying will make up most of Delta in 10 years if this road is allowed to stay the course. JVs make sense don't get me wrong. However, ample protection for Delta Pilots does not exist in this current contract.

 

[lookin4better]

Delta pilots, please stop this! No one at Compass should want this to happen either.

Does anyone think if the E-195 goes to Compass it will actually come back to mainline? Or they will buy a C-series (similar 100 seater) to replace a 3-4 year old E-190 only replace it at mainline? There is no way they will do this. Demand the E195 comes to mainline now, if the 100 seats go to contract carriers, those seats are gone forever. Even a 'not so great' payscale for an aircraft type at mainline is better than a ' not so great payscale' at a regional airline. Once they are on DAL property, and their worth is proven, better pay rates could be negotiated. Jetblue has respectable payrates for the E-195, I am sure Delta can respectably match those rates.

If Delta Air Lines management wants/needs a 100 seat aircraft bad enough, they will allow them to be at mainline.

 

[Fubijaakr]

100 seat airliners are NOT RJs and need to be flown by mainline pilots.

 

[lowlycfi]

Spinning Compass off to it's own MEC was the first step in allowing this to happen. I would say Moak et al have had this in mind all along. None of us at Compass want this to happen, but trying to stop it now may be like trying to put the s**t back in the horse.

 

[filejw]

100 seat airliners are NOT RJs and need to be flown by mainline pilots.

If the true be known neither are 50 seats ..or 30 seat Tprops..but...

 

[GRAAB HIRBOUBI]

As a Captain at Mesaba,
If this situation is more than just flame bait it MUST be stopped. I think this became more of an issue with the Republic purchase of Midwest and Frontier.

You can just hear the company line can't you: "Lee we need to be able to compete with Midwest and Frontier because our mainline wage scale is so much higher than their regional pilot contract rates."

Too bad Delta is helping Republic compete with all of us by giving them contracts. But heck how could Delta possibly be helping Republic - those aircraft aren't being flown under a company with a Delta ASA. Yep no problem. Now Delta wants 195's at Compass...No correlation. Just ignore the man behind the curtain.

If Capt Moak is even entertaining this idea, then some kind of union special election needs to happen. Short term gain along with promises later are meaningless once the planes are at Compass. Just cause it's easy to add 195's to the Compass cert is no reason for this.

I may ease up slightly if I was shown a signed purchase contract for main line aircraft to start delivery on a specific date. I may ease up slightly by allowing additional 175's (not 195's) to be added to Compass. But I would ease up only at the 1 to 3 ratio or whatever it is says in the scope. My ease would come in that Compass could get them before the aircraft got on property. MAYBE

 

[SEVEN]

Oh great, Compass flying the 195..that's all we need. Another ego booster for the already puffed up Compass pilots. Stop this crap now!

 

[ACL65PILOT]

I stated this was the desire a year ago. They do not want to bring the CPS cert in house and have us fly it. Too expensive they say.
It is a lot cheaper for them to have CPS fly the 195 which is the same type. They are correct in stating that.

My solution, Make CPS DAL, and make CPS Pilots DAL pilots.

I have talked to many reps from North and South and they are stating that this is not an option. Then again, I can see us falling for this........

It has been the desire for the company for some time. They need the jets now, can get 60 month leases on 195's and want em at CPS by next spring so they can fly them out of NYC. Better yet they want to do this so they do not have to award more flying to RJET.

Bait and switch. Enough is enough. Jets and jobs are ours. KMA if you think otherwise.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Hey we gave them their own representation to fight us on it too!

 

[JECKEL]

I don't know if this fits into this discussion, but at the regional level, there are rumors coming straight from ALPA that Compass may be for sale and the Republic is itching to buy to get the aircraft.
The deal is trying to be done by the summer.

Not to bait the flame. Just what I've heard from ALPA National types in the last week.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Might need the 195 to sweeten the deal.

 

[lowlycfi]

There is nothing sweet about this deal at all.

 

[jonjuan]

There is nothing sweet about this deal at all.

It's alright, it's OK, let's just wait for General Lee to have his say.