Leave Netjets...

[G4dude]

There never is a point. Just to say how bad unions are because they cause the demise of everything.

That was NOT Yip's point at all.

 

[HiSpeedFlyer]

Leaving a good job with lots of seniority can have a down side to it. But what you are saying is no one should listen to someone saying their might be a downside. Kinda like the Captain of the Titanic ignoring calls about icebergs.

Seriously.... dont go away mad... just go away.

 

[Diesel]

That was NOT Yip's point at all.

Actually it was.

 

[J.Otto]

How important are internal recs to get interviewed/hired at Netjets.

 

[T-1GUY]

Do you have a pulse ?

 

[wacoflyr]

You say that. The rumor mill on the outside says that your pipeline is full, that the sims are all going full blast just managing recurrents and the newhires that are already on property. I know one guy who got through initial and is sitting at home playing golf waiting to go to work. Has been for weeks, due to a lack of IOE captains. And the interview is no gimme.

I have yet to have the pleasure of an interview, but two pilots that I know have. They are both excellent, exceptional pilots, with great customers service skills, and they couldn't even get to the second day. Several of us have discussed this, and we can't see any pattern-at all! Great guys get hired; great guys can't get a sim eval. Truly crappy pilots get hired; truly crappy pilots bust the sim. It makes no sense that we can see.

I can't even get a phone call. I know, I know, but I really do have the experience that you want (closing in on 9,000 hours, 1000 hours pic turbine, college degree and no skeletons) and two internal recs. Not so much as a phone call.

It could be that I just suck, but I hear that you guys just can't get past the sim bottleneck and train everybody.

Don't get me wrong. I'm on your side, and wish you guys the very best in your negotiations. And yes, there is a pilot shortage developing. But in my opinion, that shortage has not struck NetJets pilot recruiting. Not yet.

 

[jtf]

There are many great candidates not getting hired probably for one big reason- they are probably showing some sort of spine on the interview and the company is afraid they will toe the union line more than they will be willing to overlook little things like grounding items, calling in fatigued or sick when actually fatigued or sick, or maybe they won't be willing to extend at every opportunity. I haven't talked to or met any of those who have been hired so I hope I'm wrong or that they played the interview well and will not toe the company line. Those running the interviews are definitely not the people the union would prefer.

 

[BentOver]

From the small sample size from FI, 2500-4000 hrs seems to be a popular range for new hires.... Just experienced enough to know what they are doing. Not quite "experienced" enough to punch a ticket to anywhere they choose.

 

[Mooneymite]

Several of us have discussed this, and we can't see any pattern-at all!.

NetJets uses the self-disqualifying method of selection:

If you apply for a NetJets pilot job under the present conditions, you are nuts.

Nuts are disqualified from pilot positions.

Ergo: If you want the job, you won't get it.

Only pilots who don't want to work at NetJets need apply.

Nuts may be hired as managers, but not as pilots.

Does this help?

 

[Semore Butts]

It looks like you have been missing alot of work lately?

Well, I wouldn't say I've been missing it.

As far as the new hires? They will be foaming at the mouth within 6 months I'm sure.

Or to put it another way? From the movie Overboard shortly before Curt put Goldie in the rain barrel;
"Blub, blub, blub, blub"!!!!!!!!

Have fun everybody! enjoy the bonfire!!!!!!

When I was a young boy I wanted to run away and join the circus!! And now I have!!!!!!

I could go on and on!!!!!!

Whenever I call Brigeway and they put me on hold I don't here the old "rolling blues", I hear the circus song!!! (Doo do do do do do doot doot doit, Doo do do do do do doot doot dgdoit).

I don't fault my fellow line level employees at Brigeway, I feel bad for them.

 

[T-1GUY]

That's some funny shizzle right there. It hurts because it is sooo true.

 

[acaTerry]

Same boat. 2 airlines, a corporate flight dept and thousands of hrs instructing behind me.
Loved ACA, hated Trash States. I absolutely loved working at NJA for the first six years...Then came the changes.
Now I can't wait to leave. I knew it was time to go when I was in STL looking at the Trash States guys and feeling slightly envious and nostalgic. You have to understand how much I hated working at Trash States to understand the absurdity of the feelings of nostalgia. It makes no sense whatsoever. That's what pushed me over the fence to make my decision to leave NJA...in my 11th year too.
I have 18 or 19 yrs to go to 65. I'd be a fool to stay. As much as I'd like to have hope for the next contract, I'm afraid whatever pay we got, no matter how high, would not make up for the permanent culture change we have now. Santulli is gone, Uncle Gary is gone, its all gone. It will be angst forever.
You could pay me $300,000 and I'd work long enough to emerge from debt, then quit the very next day. Sad, I was going to be a lifer here.

 

[wacoflyr]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXsusJ787sU

 

[FR8DOG777]

Same boat. 2 airlines, a corporate flight dept and thousands of hrs instructing behind me.
Loved ACA, hated Trash States. I absolutely loved working at NJA for the first six years...Then came the changes.
Now I can't wait to leave. I knew it was time to go when I was in STL looking at the Trash States guys and feeling slightly envious and nostalgic. You have to understand how much I hated working at Trash States to understand the absurdity of the feelings of nostalgia. It makes no sense whatsoever. That's what pushed me over the fence to make my decision to leave NJA...in my 11th year too.
I have 18 or 19 yrs to go to 65. I'd be a fool to stay. As much as I'd like to have hope for the next contract, I'm afraid whatever pay we got, no matter how high, would not make up for the permanent culture change we have now. Santulli is gone, Uncle Gary is gone, its all gone. It will be angst forever.
You could pay me $300,000 and I'd work long enough to emerge from debt, then quit the very next day. Sad, I was going to be a lifer here.

Atleast your smart enough to recognize it. Without santulli there will be no next good contract. You have to have two willing participants in a business and contract negotiations. What's even more pathetic is flight options/flex will never even come close to what you have now, but the guys living in BFE will do whatever it takes to stay where they are. Make the most of what's left of your career. The derelict sobs running the fracs don't give a damn about anything or anyone but themselves

 

[G4dude]

Same boat. 2 airlines, a corporate flight dept and thousands of hrs instructing behind me.
Loved ACA, hated Trash States. I absolutely loved working at NJA for the first six years...Then came the changes.
Now I can't wait to leave. I knew it was time to go when I was in STL looking at the Trash States guys and feeling slightly envious and nostalgic. You have to understand how much I hated working at Trash States to understand the absurdity of the feelings of nostalgia. It makes no sense whatsoever. That's what pushed me over the fence to make my decision to leave NJA...in my 11th year too.
I have 18 or 19 yrs to go to 65. I'd be a fool to stay. As much as I'd like to have hope for the next contract, I'm afraid whatever pay we got, no matter how high, would not make up for the permanent culture change we have now. Santulli is gone, Uncle Gary is gone, its all gone. It will be angst forever.
You could pay me $300,000 and I'd work long enough to emerge from debt, then quit the very next day. Sad, I was going to be a lifer here.

I feel the same way, but sometimes things at a company get better after they got bad. We will see.

 

[Diesel]

I feel the same way, but sometimes things at a company get better after they got bad. We will see.

I thought you were leaving? Resume's were out?

Now that your'e staying are you going to join the fight or just stay on the sidelines?

 

[G4dude]

I thought you were leaving? Resume's were out?

Now that your'e staying are you going to join the fight or just stay on the sidelines?

Still looking for other opportunities.

 

[Diesel]

Still looking for other opportunities.

Oh.

Bummer I was hoping you were joining us.

Well at least you can just coast along till something comes along.

 

[acaTerry]

When less than 50% of the furloughed pilots return, that tells you something. When new hire classes have nearly 40% no shows, that tells you something. When management says "only 30%" of our pilots are looking to leave (keep in mind that's 900 pilots), that tells you something.
It HAS to be the union's fault:smash:

 

[cx747]

I pulled the plug on NJA not too long ago for bigger and better things. New company told me to go out and buy an iPad, do what you want with it, use the aircrafts wi-fi for anything you need, call home from overseas whenever you need to. Your company card is for whatever you need, if you use it by accident, no problem, just let us know. No limit on what meals cost overseas. I was perplexed, is this how normal companies operate? With a metrics driven EMT, the culture at NJA will never return to what it used to be. I feel those that stay are still in love with the old NetJets. I admit, so was I but I had to get over that. Its a new animal and I couldn't handle staffing levels in my fleet and the schedule. The pace of the operation was not sustainable for me personally. I can't remember anytime in the last six months where I had more than an hour between flights where I didn't have to slam my crew food down and go, go, go.

I hope the best for my union brothers and sisters at NJA. I hope they don't mind me attending a picket or two to show my support. The pilot group deserves nothing but the best because they work harder than any group of pilot's I have ever worked with. With that said, don't be stuck on the brand that once was, go somewhere that values you and gives you the power and trust to do your job without fear.