Lead, follow, or get the hell out of the way...

[fracsdispatcher]

1. Listen first.

2. Do your job

3. Offer your ideas tactfully

4. Then do your job harder.


Row the boat people and it wont sink.

ANGRY DISPATCHER COMIN TO AN OPS NEAR YOU....

 

[RVSM]

Wow! Sounds like somebody needs a hug. Rough day in the cave?

 

[405]

I like this guy.

I really like #2 on the list. It's an amazing concept that gets overlooked.

Anger is part of the job.

 

[ss9e]

I like this guy.

I really like #2 on the list. It's an amazing concept that gets overlooked.

Anger is part of the job.

when i read the original post, i couldn't believe that it wasn't posted by you.

 

[405]

Got Anger?

1. Listen first.

2. Do your job

3. Offer your ideas tactfully

4. Then do your job harder.


Row the boat people and it wont sink.

ANGRY DISPATCHER COMIN TO AN OPS NEAR YOU....

This is a good post. Like I said, #2 is a novel concept. Most people want to do as little as possible, get paid for doing nothing and fly home every weekend. There's some that will go above and beyond but most just skate by. The overall work ethic in the office sucks.

#3 could be enhanced to read "Offer your ideas tactfully. If tact doesn't work, force the issue and don't stop until you get what you want." Maybe that's not what the original poster intended. I am looking at it from my point of view at the company I work for. If you want or need something ask for it. If management says no, keep pressing the issue. This is, of course, if you don't have a bloodsucking, parasite on you like we do now. This option is not available to us anymore.

"Row the boat people and it wont sink." Think about that statement for minute. Half of my coworkers (most of which have left) shot a big hole in the bottom of the boat in August and now everyone's dropping out because working conditions just plain suck. You yes-people were told what they wanted you to hear and not told of the consequences and the length of time that this would take. It's a stagnant place now. It's funny though. You were pissed before August and now you're even more pissed. Why is that? You didn't get a raise on your anniversary of employment?

Well, rant started so I might as well keep going.

I like the people who constantly whine about this city. Yeah, I whine about it too but I can do that because I was born and raised here. You whiners and complainers from other parts of the country and world have the option to leave whenever you want to and I highly encourage this. This isn't the military. If you don't like your current surroundings or enviroment, change it and leave. There are other jobs out there.

Another thing I hear a lot is "I had to do 60 releases today! Boohoo, blah blah, whine, complain! I couldn't even (insert activity here)" Shutup. Do 90 or 100 releases a day for a couple of years. 40-50 releases a day is our average now. 60 releases should be a cake walk for this office and if you can't handle that workload see the last two sentences of the previous paragraph. The ultimate reason we may have to do 15 more releases in a day is because everyone's leaving because we don't get raises or bonuses anymore. What is the reason for this? The big hole shot in the bottom of the boat in August.

Improvements were being made and they all came to a screeching halt with the "yes" vote. Nice job, everyone. Way to look at it from both sides before casting a vote that would ultimately effect everyone in our office.

 

[405]

Believe it

when i read the original post, i couldn't believe that it wasn't posted by you.

Everyone was lied to. 2004-2005 working conditions were easy compared to 2000-2002 conditions. Now, we have it bad.

Thanks.

 

[Markm1811]

A big shot so what !!

Sure the union vote went through but look at it this way. The company have yet to live up with anything they said they were trying to do. Do you still have to input names on each release. Are you treated any better at all. For me the deciding factor was certain letters that came out threatening ( not the DP letter) that like it or don't. Will the U make a difference. depends who lobbying for ya.. Thats the issue I saw before I departed.

I think you could probably lobby for removal after July !!!.

Midnight Brit.
Silence on the Air....

 

[ShutupandFly]

I think you could probably lobby for removal after July !!!.

Midnight Brit.
Silence on the Air....[/QUOTE]

Now that sounds like the best idea I have heard regarding this union.

 

[405]

Sure the union vote went through but look at it this way. The company have yet to live up with anything they said they were trying to do.

Do you think management cares now if we're happy or not? We already stated by a majority vote that we thought they were all full of sh*t. It was a whole lot easier to work with them before all of this came along. Why do they have to keep us happy now?

Do you still have to input names on each release. Are you treated any better at all.

Yes, I still have to type each name on the release. No, I am not treated any better. Like I just said, they have no reason to make our job any easier or treat us any better. If you were getting seperated from your spouse, would you really want do anything to help them out? You might want to help them out the door but that's about it.

Did you all think a magic union rep in a tuxedo would walk in the door, wave a magic wand, sprinkle magic dust everywhere and expect everything to be Spring time happy? I bet no one told any of you this was going to take time. From what I've heard most expected everything to be the same as it was until a contract was voted in. They might not have lied to you but they didn't tell the whole story either.

For me the deciding factor was certain letters that came out threatening (not the DP letter) that like it or don't. Will the U make a difference. depends who lobbying for ya.. Thats the issue I saw before I departed.

In my opinion, there was never anything "threatening" at all. What I am trying to figure out is what problems we had before? Someone enlighten me because I'm just not seeing it. The biggest complaint I ever heard was the "computers suck" and that isn't a valid reason to vote a union in. The union could give a piss less about the computers we work with.

I think you could probably lobby for removal after July !!!.

I am looking into this now.

No hard feelings, Mark. Good luck to you.

 

[ss9e]

Everyone was lied to. 2004-2005 working conditions were easy compared to 2000-2002 conditions. Now, we have it bad.

Thanks.

my vote didn't count.

 

[405]

my vote didn't count.

This isn't your fight now. If I was in your position, I wouldn't even care.

 

[hoover]

Hey 405, seems to me you are just as unhappy with the union as your co-workers were unhappy with management. Well you had your chance to pursuade others before the vote. You also had your chance to vote, and it sounds like your slate didn't make it. Deal with it. You're a union office now. It's time for you to get on board with the union. The cool thing about being a union member is that you now have a chance to affect both sides. You have the collective voice to negotiate things with management. You also have the ability to keep your union from getting to out of hand, because YOU are the union.

You are a union member now, so be a good union member. If you can't be a good union member, then get out. Either get out of the department or get out of the company.

 

[ShutupandFly]

Hey hoover, your going to have to explaine to me this collective voice thing. We have only one person in this office that has a voice in negotiations and he ain't talkin about it.

 

[405]

Hey 405, seems to me you are just as unhappy with the union as your co-workers were unhappy with management. Well you had your chance to pursuade others before the vote. You also had your chance to vote, and it sounds like your slate didn't make it. Deal with it. You're a union office now. It's time for you to get on board with the union. The cool thing about being a union member is that you now have a chance to affect both sides. You have the collective voice to negotiate things with management. You also have the ability to keep your union from getting to out of hand, because YOU are the union.

You are a union member now, so be a good union member. If you can't be a good union member, then get out. Either get out of the department or get out of the company.

Hey hoover, tell me what conditions were like in my office before the union. Now tell me what it's like now. You do not have the slightest hint of a clue what you are babbling about above. Don't lecture me about "getting on board" and "be a good union member" because you don't know what is or was going on IN OUR OFFICE.

 

[405]

You are a union member now, so be a good union member. If you can't be a good union member, then get out. Either get out of the department or get out of the company.

You're right, slick. I'm leaving the company.

I have twelve Heineken's in the 'fridge and could care less about this job anymore.

 

[En Mort Main]

Sucked before sucks now

In fact this company sucked before the vote and sucks now....In my time since being here management has consistantly become more and more hostile to the dispatchers, for the sheer reason of getting revenge for the dispatchers trying to better their position in life through collective bargaining. The dispatchers who thought that the union would fix things instantly were mislead, these things take time.
Also when a contract is ratified it will be clear what management can do and what the dispatchers can do. For example if we had a contract we would not be turned into load controllers in addition to being dispatchers because that function would have not been in the contract. But since right now were managements b*tch they can make us do whatever they want and they do. And there is still room on your desk don't think they won't turn you into a crew scheduler as well. Oh yeah tell everyone how well your computer works and how management is working on fixing the problem.... Oh yeah their not..... just call Tom and ask. Hey how about those crew names that were to be entered into the computer 10 months ago... no wait 8 months ago... no wait 5 months ago.... oh yeah management is very responsive to our requests and things were improving.. are you still typing in names because i know i am.
Oh yeah and the claim things were improving can you give an example... since i have been here my flight benefits have been cut so that i have to pay fifty dollars for every family member on my benefits wether they use them or not, when i started i didn't have to pay, but now i do.... but does management nope theirs is still free. Oh and since management cares so much for us how much has your insurance rates increased since january...
more to continue once i'm not so pissed off about all the lies i believed
EN MORT MAIN

 

[405]

In fact this company sucked before the vote and sucks now....In my time since being here management has consistantly become more and more hostile to the dispatchers, for the sheer reason of getting revenge for the dispatchers trying to better their position in life through collective bargaining. The dispatchers who thought that the union would fix things instantly were mislead, these things take time.
Also when a contract is ratified it will be clear what management can do and what the dispatchers can do. For example if we had a contract we would not be turned into load controllers in addition to being dispatchers because that function would have not been in the contract. But since right now were managements b*tch they can make us do whatever they want and they do. And there is still room on your desk don't think they won't turn you into a crew scheduler as well. Oh yeah tell everyone how well your computer works and how management is working on fixing the problem.... Oh yeah their not..... just call Tom and ask. Hey how about those crew names that were to be entered into the computer 10 months ago... no wait 8 months ago... no wait 5 months ago.... oh yeah management is very responsive to our requests and things were improving.. are you still typing in names because i know i am.
Oh yeah and the claim things were improving can you give an example... since i have been here my flight benefits have been cut so that i have to pay fifty dollars for every family member on my benefits wether they use them or not, when i started i didn't have to pay, but now i do.... but does management nope theirs is still free. Oh and since management cares so much for us how much has your insurance rates increased since january...
more to continue once i'm not so pissed off about all the lies i believed
EN MORT MAIN

hoover said it best. Leave if you're pissed or contact our union rep. Shut the ******************** up.

 

[En Mort Main]

Moving on....

As soon as something better comes along...
How much do truckers make..
En Mort Main

 

[405]

In fact this company sucked before the vote and sucks now....In my time since being here management has consistantly become more and more hostile to the dispatchers, for the sheer reason of getting revenge for the dispatchers trying to better their position in life through collective bargaining. The dispatchers who thought that the union would fix things instantly were mislead, these things take time.

Just how long have you been here? Management is going to do whatever they can to make our lives completely miserable. What reason do they have to make us happy? I would hope to God you can understand why they are hostile to the dispatchers at this point. I like the quote "better their position in life through collective bargaining." Collective bargaining involves the entire group, right? Do you know what's going on with our negotiations? I sure don't. What are we negotiating?

Also when a contract is ratified it will be clear what management can do and what the dispatchers can do.

It was pretty clear before this whole thing happened what management and dispatchers could and could not do. It's called an employee handbook. Apparently no one read it. Everything is pretty much laid out there. It wasn't hard to walk into a manager's office before August, sit down and have a talk about something that you thought might be a legitimate problem.

For example if we had a contract we would not be turned into load controllers in addition to being dispatchers because that function would have not been in the contract.

If this CLC thing had come up one year ago, I would bet we could've persuaded them to rethink it by having some good information to back up the argument that we simply don't have time for it. However, now we have our beloved collective bargaining unit, we have no contract yet and we're stuck with it. In other words, we're effed. You guys did it. Thank yourselves for that one.

But since right now were managements b*tch they can make us do whatever they want and they do.

Yep. We don't get pay raises or bonuses either. Again, nice job. You started it.

And there is still room on your desk don't think they won't turn you into a crew scheduler as well.

I don't think so.

Oh yeah tell everyone how well your computer works and how management is working on fixing the problem.... Oh yeah their not..... just call Tom and ask. Hey how about those crew names that were to be entered into the computer 10 months ago... no wait 8 months ago... no wait 5 months ago.... oh yeah management is very responsive to our requests and things were improving.. are you still typing in names because i know i am.

I can tell you from a lot of experience that the computers have been this way for a long time. It's not our company's fault. Do you think the union can do anything about this? If you think they can, I want some of whatever you are smoking. Our parent company has the same problems.

Oh yeah and the claim things were improving can you give an example...

Yep, I can give examples. If you want them, come talk to me. I'll give you an earful on what was going on before August.

since i have been here my flight benefits have been cut so that i have to pay fifty dollars for every family member on my benefits wether they use them or not, when i started i didn't have to pay, but now i do.... but does management nope theirs is still free. Oh and since management cares so much for us how much has your insurance rates increased since january...

You work for an airline who's parent company is in bankruptcy. What do you expect? Management's flight benefits are BS. I agree with you but that is part of being management. That is called a PERK.

Mort, when you find a perfect company to work for please let me know. I want to work there also. Good luck. I doubt you will ever find one.

more to continue once i'm not so pissed off about all the lies i believed

Who told you the lies?

 

[405]

Mort, did you quit?

 

[405]

Mort...? Hello...?

 

[405]

The exodus continues.

I really like my new schedule, too. I appreciate it.

It's great having a bunch of blind, mindless followers who b*tch about everything but can't think for themselves. When you kids find that elusive job that's perfect, let me know. I'm starting to wonder if any of you have ever had a real job before in your lives. Pizza Hut doesn't count. Welcome to reality. A full-time job is a b*tch, isn't it?

Please and I am begging here, resign and go work somewhere else.

 

[hoover]

Hey hoover, tell me what conditions were like in my office before the union. Now tell me what it's like now. You do not have the slightest hint of a clue what you are babbling about above. Don't lecture me about "getting on board" and "be a good union member" because you don't know what is or was going on IN OUR OFFICE.

I know what conditions are like in your office because I work in the same office. Different airline, but the same office. Your pay sucks, your schedule sucks, you're overworked and understaffed. Things could be better but that would mean management would have to actually plan ahead and spend some money Did I leave anything out?

We all work in the same office dude.

 

[propsarebest]

SWEEEEET JB ya got there 405...

too bad the neck is too narrow...

 

[405]

IMO, JB necks are perfect, man. Nice and small. Had a PB for a while and hated the neck. Too d*mn fat for me. It's all preference I guess.

I want to know what a Spector neck is like.

 

[propsarebest]

Spector SUCK!!!

basically the same as a J bass... Narrow nut and stuff.

I'm a p bass fan, I own 2 of them, and they are the only bass that I actually feel comfortable playing.

 

[405]

Spector SUCK!!!

basically the same as a J bass... Narrow nut and stuff.

I'm a p bass fan, I own 2 of them, and they are the only bass that I actually feel comfortable playing.

That's why I want to play a Spector - Narrow necks. If you say they suck I may go buy one.

If I could find a p-bass with a j-bass neck I would be in heaven. I like the p-bass tone.

I'm glad to be off topic and not talking about work. Cheers. :beer:

 

[propsarebest]

Fender makes a replacement neck, you can get all sorts of stuff, 64JB, 75JB, and so on and so on. They are like $300 or so. A fender dealer that is also a custom shop dealer has even more necks to choose from, and if you buy a custom shop neck, they will put the original serial # on the headstock for ya.

 

[405]

If and when I get the money, I'd love to get an old p-bass and slap a j-neck on it. That would be cool. I need to get the room finished above the garage. I need a place where I can get the basses out again and set up the Tama's.