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[get2flyin]

Agree with much of what you say here, but....

The misapplication of the term SCAB waters down the real meaning of the word. There are pilots who have scabbed at a lot of airlines (some which might hit close to home for ya), but Crimi isn't one of them.

As for whether Crimi is a bad choice, I disagree, but I will say that he's made some bad choices. Doesn't mean he can't do this particular job well though (and even, perhaps, better than your favorite candidate, even in protecting your interests....believe it or not, which I'm sure you won't.)

Whether or not you think Crimi deserves some sort of label due to his past choices has really become a matter of personal interpretation. I can avoid the labels. They aren't necessary in this discussion so let's let it drop. Perhaps he didn't cross a picket line, but he went to work for an airline that was created to bust a union. To bust HIS OWN union. He may use the excuse that he disregarded explicit instructions provided by his union for the purpose of obtaining valuable training in a CRJ...maybe he even did it for the type rating. But I'll call BS on this because let's be serious, even if you have a type rating, if you don't have at least 100 hours in the aircraft, it's worth nothing. NOTHING!!! Maybe the guy got a lot of flak and chose to bail, maybe he busted out, or maybe it was all part of his "big plan". What ever the reason, the man has a foul stink on him now that will (and rightfully so) follow him for the rest of his career. He's no longer a viable union leader in ANY capacity. The West side may have a guy or two who deserved a "label", but they aren't running for leadership positions, are they?

I know you guys don't care about this union, but it could be so much better than ALPA if we could find a way to get along. (FENCE)

While the union was created to steal MY job and transfer it to an unemployed East pilot, thanks to a number of legal challenges USAPA has been forced to represent ALL of its members. Under those guidelines, I agree the possibility exists that positive things could develop. Your fence idea, however, nullifies that possibility entirely. It basically sidesteps all forward progress to date and allows USAPA to continue focus on the East pilots. That option isn't, nor will EVER be, on the table.

 

[Ocity]

Agree with much of what you say here, but....

but it could be so much better than ALPA if we could find a way to get along. (FENCE)

Never. You had your shot and when that didn't work you guys went to despicable depths to steal what you couldn't attain by any other valid process.

Sorry, easties can shove that fence straight up their asses.

 

[St. Nic]

Crimi is not a scab! Leave it alone. East pilots created USAPA to restore honor and integrity to the pilot union- something lacking with ALPA. Remember where Prater came from!

 

[PHXFLYR]

Crimi is not a scab! Leave it alone. East pilots created USAPA to restore honor and integrity to the pilot union-

Restore "honor and integrity??? USAPA ???? YGTBSM

something lacking with ALPA.

And USAPA is a paragon of virtue how again ??? I can't seem to find that part in the travel brochure you guys handed out the last time the circus passed thru PHX


Remember where Prater came from!

We remember. Continental..... where he honored the picket line unlike your high profile USAPA spokesman

PHXFLYR

 

[PHXFLYR]

Never. You had your shot and when that didn't work you guys went to despicable depths to steal what you couldn't attain by any other valid process.

Sorry, easties can shove that fence straight up their asses.

Very well said.

:beer:

PHXFLYR

 

[Crzipilot]

Hopefully you don't have to eat those words.....

 

[Raoul Duke]

Do the east guys really think that they can convince the west group to agree to fences? I admire those guys for thier creativity in vision. They could convince white trash sitting around a trailer park that it is the next Beverley Hills. Amazing!!! The list is set in stone. The only way to move on is for them to accept it (even if they don't like it)

 

[Crzipilot]

I guess, it remains to be seen...

 

[Ocity]

Crimi is not a scab! Leave it alone. East pilots created USAPA to restore honor and integrity to the pilot union- something lacking with ALPA. Remember where Prater came from!

Nobody is buying that Bull ********************. Get over it.

 

[TWA Dude]

I know you guys don't care about this union, but it could be so much better than ALPA if we could find a way to get along. (FENCE)

The fact that every couple of weeks some Eastie busts out with a comment like this proves how clueless they are. Even if the West wanted to negotiate some compromise there is nobody with whom to negotiate -- USAPA now represents both the West and East. USAPA tried to impose a new East-centric seniority list and the result was a slam-dunk DFR win. You'd think they'd take the hint.

If the Easties really want to get along (which we all know they don't) they'd drop the Cactus 18 suit and the Addingtion appeal and start acting like a union that represents all its pilots. Until then idiotic "let's get along" posts on message boards are meaningless.

 

[BeCareful!]

Still holding out for those pre-merger expectations AWA pilots had of 20 wide bodies flying transatlantic, eh?

(1....2....3.....waiting for the "we don't care about the widebodies" comment)

 

[PCL_128]

Remember where Prater came from!

You mean from a reputable carrier where he walked the picket line for two years honorably? Yeah, horrible guy. That Freedumb guy would be a much better bet.

 

[PHXFLYR]

Still holding out for those pre-merger expectations AWA pilots had of 20 wide bodies flying transatlantic, eh?

(1....2....3.....waiting for the "we don't care about the widebodies" comment)

Not as much as your PSA boys are holding out for that PHX crew base. Nice to see youre still the same fool you've always been since I've last visited this web site several months ago.....

PHXFLYR

 

[C Festerpuss]

[FONT=&quot]In the very first part of 2010, at a USAPA regular meeting, this resolution was proffered by Steven Crimi and Stein. It appears that Steve is running for an office that he thinks should not exist.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]There is a rumor that he also co-sponsored a resolution on removing an ALPA LOA about ALPA / USAPA pay that gripes some pilots. When then final vote came up he abstained, because the vote would have passed the resolution and Officer and Committee Chair pay would have been reduced. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]A nice way of playing both sides of the fence, it would appear. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]________________________________________________________________________________[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]AI 10-002 EVP Constitutional Amendment
Crimi/Stein
Whereas due to the resignation, the Executive Vice President (EVP) position is vacant, and
Whereas the duties of the EVP office can be effectively and more efficiently performed by the Offices of President, Vice President and Secretary Treasurer resulting in a savings of approximately $100,000 in annual expenditures, [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Therefore be it resolved[/FONT][FONT=&quot] that the BPR directs the Ballot Certification Committee to conduct a ballot asking the membership to approve the following amendments to the USAPA Constitution and Bylaws;[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
1. Delete “Executive Vice President” from Article III, Sections 1, 7, and 9; and Article VII, Section 2
(language referencing EVP position)
2. Delete references to EVP from Table of Contents and Index
3. Delete Article III, Section 8, Paragraph D, Subparagraphs 1,2,3, and 4 below;
D. Executive Vice President (EVP)
The Executive Vice President shall be responsible to execute policy of the Board of Pilot Representativesacting under the jurisdiction of the President.
1. S/he shall act as custodian of USAPA documents, contracts, leases, deeds and general records; cause to retain all Association membership records; cause to retain a record of all meetings of the National Officers; cause to retain minutes of all domicile meetings; cause to be kept current records of all Officers, Domicile Representatives, Committees, Chairpersons and special appointees; and cause to retain all records of proceedings at all meetings of the Board of Pilot Representatives including resolutions in final form and results of each.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
2. S/he shall employ, supervise, discharge and fix, at the discretion of the Board of Pilot Representatives, such compensation of staff employees and/or contractors of the Association (other than duly elected officers.)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
3. S/he shall negotiate agreements entered into between the Association and any other organization as hereinafter provided.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
4. S/he may act as the USAPA ambassador to affiliate organizations and carry out such other duties as the Board of Pilot Representatives may request.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]The balloting of the pilots would cost somewhere in the neighborhood of $25K from ballotpoint.[/FONT]

 

[BeCareful!]

PHX....quite a distortion from a westicle who usually is capable of rational posts.

The conditions and restrictions proposed by USAPA prevent such a land grab of your coveted "west coast" (hahaha...like PHX is the coast hahahaha) positions.

Yeah, but don't let the facts get in the way of a good jab on the Internet....