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[Ocity]

I know Steve and I know he went to Freedom only to bag the type rating. He never intended to fly there.....but....

Even though I love the thought of Johnny O forking out $30,000 or whatever to train Steve and then never make a dime off his services, I don't agree with that sort of career move. PFT, union busting airlines.....none of that in my resume and there won't be.

Having said that, these boards bring about the most reprehensible, hateful behavior, don't they?

I keep hearing he didn't quit after getting a type rating. He was fired. He claims it was because he refused to fly...word in PHX is he failed IOE to the point of termination. I believe the latter. He admits he was fired. Why would anybody want a termination in their record when he could have picked up a type rating and simply RESIGNED? His story doesn't make any sense.

 

[Raoul Duke]

Yup exactly. As for complaining about the thread, this is exactly what message boards are for, get the word out in all of its ugly truth. We need less censorship not more.

 

[Lear70]

Yup exactly. As for complaining about the thread, this is exactly what message boards are for, get the word out in all of its ugly truth. We need less censorship not more.

You can do that without violating the Terms of Service.

They're not my rules, but when I was approached to be a Mod, I agreed to uphold them, and that's what I'm going to do. If people don't like those rules, they're free to find another board to talk in and see if they get away with it or start their own and see how long it takes to get sued. The rules exist for a reason.

As far as I know, this board is the MOST lax of any of them out there, and this has gone as far as it's going to.

 

[ultrarunner]

Yup exactly. As for complaining about the thread, this is exactly what message boards are for, get the word out in all of its ugly truth. We need less censorship not more.

Yes, but what we have her Raoul is Lear70 essentially supporting us in that these lower forms of life need to be continuously ratted out because they either:

1. Crossed a picket line and took your job

or

2. Took your job by going to the non-union alter ego outfit.

Either way, Lear70 recognizes these persons as a lower life form and wouldn't have a thing to do with them. It's just that his bosses don't like phone calls from these lower life forms threatening legal action for supporting the thrashing of their names on the public board.

Thats all.

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

I do agree with Lear70, however, Crimi by running for EVP is now a public figure. Like a politician, he is holding himself up as someone to be voted for in an election that is important to many pilots, just like Prater and Woerth, he is holding himself up for scrutiny based on his record.

Perhaps the type of condemnation has gotten out of hand, but his record and his actions speak the truth.

The truth is, he did work for Freedom Airlines while Mesa Pilots were in Section 6 negotiations. He did it contrary to the wishes of the AAA MEC and the Mesa MEC. Now he wants to represent USAirways pilots; I think he's a bad choice.

 

[BeCareful!]

I do agree with Lear70, however, Crimi by running for EVP is now a public figure. Like a politician, he is holding himself up as someone to be voted for in an election that is important to many pilots, just like Prater and Woerth, he is holding himself up for scrutiny based on his record.

Perhaps the type of condemnation has gotten out of hand, but his record and his actions speak the truth.

The truth is, he did work for Freedom Airlines while Mesa Pilots were in Section 6 negotiations. He did it contrary to the wishes of the AAA MEC and the Mesa MEC. Now he wants to represent USAirways pilots; I think he's a bad choice.

Agree with much of what you say here, but....

The misapplication of the term SCAB waters down the real meaning of the word. There are pilots who have scabbed at a lot of airlines (some which might hit close to home for ya), but Crimi isn't one of them.

As for whether Crimi is a bad choice, I disagree, but I will say that he's made some bad choices. Doesn't mean he can't do this particular job well though (and even, perhaps, better than your favorite candidate, even in protecting your interests....believe it or not, which I'm sure you won't.)

I know you guys don't care about this union, but it could be so much better than ALPA if we could find a way to get along. (FENCE)

 

[regionaltard]

I know you guys don't care about this union, but it could be so much better than ALPA if we could find a way to get along. (FENCE)

Maybe you can go back to the future and make that argument to Nicolau.

 

[ultrarunner]

The issue BeCareful is the underlying value system of an elected official. In the case of Crimi, that value system, AS IT RELATES TO BEST PROTECTING THE INTERESTS OF A UNION MEMBER, are in serious doubt. And is based on his past behavior, which is NOT in dispute.

Crimi was more than willing to whore out to a alter-ego outfit, while the current contracting carrier was in opening negotiations with the company. THAT is a big no-no!

He knew it, and he should pay the price!

And he likely will pay the price, if he hasn't already, and will keep paying it, as a dedicated union member will never forget!

 

[Deadalus]

Guilt by association. Crimi is a SCAB, MCDU supports Crimi = MCDU is a SCAB!!!

There is justice. MCDU bags on West guys for some of their ties to Mesa. Then it turns out an East guy (Crimi) running for a union position is a Mesa SCAB! Oooops!!!

MCDufuss is probably a freedom faggot himself.

 

[Sandhawk]

Agree with much of what you say here, but....

The misapplication of the term SCAB waters down the real meaning of the word. There are pilots who have scabbed at a lot of airlines (some which might hit close to home for ya), but Crimi isn't one of them.

Well, senor - we all know what you are referring to - but, I believe (correct me if I am wrong) that technically the Ansett guys all walked off of the job en masse - there wasn't a strike - so are the guys that took over technically Scabs?

Make no mistake - I am NOT condoning the actions of either group - but if we are talking using the straight definition of "scab"......

Don't forget about another usapa guy that supposedly "just interviewed for practice" at CAL in 83 or 85, but turns out he actually went to work during the strike.


THE TRUTH IS STRANGER THAN FICTION !!


:laugh:

 

[get2flyin]

Agree with much of what you say here, but....

The misapplication of the term SCAB waters down the real meaning of the word. There are pilots who have scabbed at a lot of airlines (some which might hit close to home for ya), but Crimi isn't one of them.

As for whether Crimi is a bad choice, I disagree, but I will say that he's made some bad choices. Doesn't mean he can't do this particular job well though (and even, perhaps, better than your favorite candidate, even in protecting your interests....believe it or not, which I'm sure you won't.)

Whether or not you think Crimi deserves some sort of label due to his past choices has really become a matter of personal interpretation. I can avoid the labels. They aren't necessary in this discussion so let's let it drop. Perhaps he didn't cross a picket line, but he went to work for an airline that was created to bust a union. To bust HIS OWN union. He may use the excuse that he disregarded explicit instructions provided by his union for the purpose of obtaining valuable training in a CRJ...maybe he even did it for the type rating. But I'll call BS on this because let's be serious, even if you have a type rating, if you don't have at least 100 hours in the aircraft, it's worth nothing. NOTHING!!! Maybe the guy got a lot of flak and chose to bail, maybe he busted out, or maybe it was all part of his "big plan". What ever the reason, the man has a foul stink on him now that will (and rightfully so) follow him for the rest of his career. He's no longer a viable union leader in ANY capacity. The West side may have a guy or two who deserved a "label", but they aren't running for leadership positions, are they?

I know you guys don't care about this union, but it could be so much better than ALPA if we could find a way to get along. (FENCE)

While the union was created to steal MY job and transfer it to an unemployed East pilot, thanks to a number of legal challenges USAPA has been forced to represent ALL of its members. Under those guidelines, I agree the possibility exists that positive things could develop. Your fence idea, however, nullifies that possibility entirely. It basically sidesteps all forward progress to date and allows USAPA to continue focus on the East pilots. That option isn't, nor will EVER be, on the table.

 

[Ocity]

Agree with much of what you say here, but....

but it could be so much better than ALPA if we could find a way to get along. (FENCE)

Never. You had your shot and when that didn't work you guys went to despicable depths to steal what you couldn't attain by any other valid process.

Sorry, easties can shove that fence straight up their asses.

 

[St. Nic]

Crimi is not a scab! Leave it alone. East pilots created USAPA to restore honor and integrity to the pilot union- something lacking with ALPA. Remember where Prater came from!

 

[PHXFLYR]

Crimi is not a scab! Leave it alone. East pilots created USAPA to restore honor and integrity to the pilot union-

Restore "honor and integrity??? USAPA ???? YGTBSM

something lacking with ALPA.

And USAPA is a paragon of virtue how again ??? I can't seem to find that part in the travel brochure you guys handed out the last time the circus passed thru PHX


Remember where Prater came from!

We remember. Continental..... where he honored the picket line unlike your high profile USAPA spokesman

PHXFLYR

 

[PHXFLYR]

Never. You had your shot and when that didn't work you guys went to despicable depths to steal what you couldn't attain by any other valid process.

Sorry, easties can shove that fence straight up their asses.

Very well said.

:beer:

PHXFLYR

 

[Crzipilot]

Hopefully you don't have to eat those words.....

 

[Raoul Duke]

Do the east guys really think that they can convince the west group to agree to fences? I admire those guys for thier creativity in vision. They could convince white trash sitting around a trailer park that it is the next Beverley Hills. Amazing!!! The list is set in stone. The only way to move on is for them to accept it (even if they don't like it)

 

[Crzipilot]

I guess, it remains to be seen...

 

[Ocity]

Crimi is not a scab! Leave it alone. East pilots created USAPA to restore honor and integrity to the pilot union- something lacking with ALPA. Remember where Prater came from!

Nobody is buying that Bull ********************. Get over it.

 

[TWA Dude]

I know you guys don't care about this union, but it could be so much better than ALPA if we could find a way to get along. (FENCE)

The fact that every couple of weeks some Eastie busts out with a comment like this proves how clueless they are. Even if the West wanted to negotiate some compromise there is nobody with whom to negotiate -- USAPA now represents both the West and East. USAPA tried to impose a new East-centric seniority list and the result was a slam-dunk DFR win. You'd think they'd take the hint.

If the Easties really want to get along (which we all know they don't) they'd drop the Cactus 18 suit and the Addingtion appeal and start acting like a union that represents all its pilots. Until then idiotic "let's get along" posts on message boards are meaningless.