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[SoberIrishman]

In reference to this afternoon's communique from the JNC, please feel free to negotiate ad-infinitum, however no matter how junior or senior you might be, I would suggest the answer should still be NO!

We must not be browbeaten into any form of concession affecting ANY pilot on our lists. We work hard and deserve compensation adequate for what we do.

We are not Pinnacle, Go-Jets or any other Micky mouse operation, and will not take the bait like they have.

No, no, no!

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[badog]

In The end, it doesn't matter. We will have PBS, without a vote, the concessionary contract will be mediated and signed off by the mec and you will take it like the little b!tch that you are. In 08, I voted no only to have the powers that be rescind our votes and have us recast.
I'm going to say this one more time girls, if you do not have a plan, "B", you are fooked. If you commute, talk to the mainline, (not skywest) pilots about their lives and see the similarities with your current situation and ask yourself, "do they have it better"?
Vote with your feet cause your no vote means exactly sh!t
Of course I will still vote no.

 

[COOPERVANE]

I'm glad you weren't at the battle of the bulge

 

[twott driver]

The more they talk about concessions, the less inclined I am to take ANY concession, on anything. Suspend negotiations as far as I'm concerned. Come and talk again in 6 months when you can't find anyone to replace the few we are losing, and you still need to staff for the new rest rules.

So you want to take a job that is so crappy that no one wants to do it anymore, and you cant' find people for class, and make it even worse?????? That will solve your staffing issues.... idiots.

 

[badog]

I'm glad you weren't at the battle of the bulge

Killing people is somewhat different than negotiating with airline execs using pilots with their own best interests in mind. Less of a battle and more like a monkey f&$cking a football.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

These Inc. fools don't realize their empire is OVER. Concessions or not.

They can take a fuggin hike. My wife makes the money, but I will never, never, vote yes.

For those of you who married loulou down from the diner and are already feeding your kids PBJ (and not the organic junk).....sorry! Shoulda planned better!


Not only can ASA managemet NOT run an operation, they wan't the ONLY people who are vested and who actually make this place WORK, suffer.

 

[No Delay]

http://insiders.morningstar.com/trading/executive-compensation.action?t=SKYW&region=USA&culture=en-US


Brad Holts salary has increased 83% since 2008

The executive salaries combined have increased 63% since 2008

 

[Nevets]

http://insiders.morningstar.com/tra...sation.action?t=SKYW&region=USA&culture=en-US


Brad Holts salary has increased 83% since 2008

The executive salaries combined have increased 63% since 2008

You should see the threads on the crackpipe about this.

 

[Mickey Mouse]

It's funny to see the company asking for money and work rules back from the pilot group. Usually, the pilot group asks for more after five years of a crappy contract. Don't let them scare you. Make them pay you what you deserve. Demand work rules that take into account your family life and personal time. You have invested too much of your life to accept anything less.

 

[Clutch]

I think the company wants to rid the contract of things such as cancellation pay, duty-rigs, etc.. Not actually pay rate cuts. If this is true, what's the consensus?

 

[Mickey Mouse]

5 years ago dual qualification was described by management as a 7% cost differential between Skywest and ASA. I'm sure they are gonna want dual qualification. L/XJTS disability payment structure has been an area of interest also. Of course they are going to want vacation low back too.

 

[COOPERVANE]

They can shove it

 

[enuffalready]

I think the company wants to rid the contract of things such as cancellation pay, duty-rigs, etc.. Not actually pay rate cuts. If this is true, what's the consensus?

F no.

 

[wrightbros]

So we have to take one of two PBS both with faults, $2 override the our MEC set up without a vote, give up who knows what else with a Co that has only had a few losing 1/4s in it's history? The MEC hasn't said jack in the past two years and now they start to send brief threats like at look at CMR etc. How much has the union spent on steaks and beer, hotels, flight pay loss for their 120 hours credit each month, meetings all on our dues and the Co money?

CEOs taking pay raises? Lack of pilots coming up... FTDT kicks in JAN1...lets wait and see how bad they try and screw us with the new rules....Big fat NO vote is in order. But I can't wait to see the unions song and dance of how we need to give up everything we ever gained cause Jerry will kill us....where are they going to find the pilots?

I'll stay in the right seat and keep what we have before giving up a penny in any area of the contract.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

Cancellation pay? Really??????

So you may not make your mortgage during winter or summer.

 

[DoinTime]

5 years ago dual qualification was described by management as a 7% cost differential between Skywest and ASA. I'm sure they are gonna want dual qualification. L/XJTS disability payment structure has been an area of interest also. Of course they are going to want vacation low back too.

More specifically, dual qual with everyone's base pay set the lowest rate. You only make the override rate when your butt is in the seat. Call in sick? Base rate. Vacation? Base rate. Under guarantee? Base rate. Etc.

 

[Nevets]

I think the company wants to rid the contract of things such as cancellation pay, duty-rigs, etc.. Not actually pay rate cuts. If this is true, what's the consensus?

I didn't hear about cancellation pay but I did hear about getting rid of the rig, and min day pay, and sick accrual, and B fund, and health benefits.

I will vote no to ANY concession.

More specifically, dual qual with everyone's base pay set the lowest rate. You only make the override rate when your butt is in the seat. Call in sick? Base rate. Vacation? Base rate. Under guarantee? Base rate. Etc.

FYI, in our contract, only the 45 most junior captains are paid the 135 rate for everything. But when they fly the 145, they get 145 pay. Assuming of course they are not on reserve or if they are, they break guarantee. Everyone else gets 145 pay for everything regardless of what they fly. I'm sure they want to get rid of that little bit also.

 

[goahead]

Good to see the company has found a way to get both sides on the same page, however it's the page to vote no which I'm sure they didn't intend. No way are we taking a thing less than we currently have with salaries doubling in the GO.

 

[Freebrd]

+1

no no no no no!!!!!!!!

 

[ASACRJFlyer]

They love to stall, delay and drag their feet when it benefits them, now it's our turn. The longer the wait to get this done, the better the contract will have to be to keep current pilots and attract any new ones in a shrinking supply of qualified applicants.

Not a chance in hell I'll vote for any concessions, time to hold the line, especially since management has seen fit to give themselves raises.

 

[VWDrvr21]

I gotta get in on this shiz. I'm not one to complain much. I do my job, go home and expect to get compensated fairly for it. These concessions they are asking for is just complete BS! They gotta be out of their F^(KING minds to ask us to make less and be treated and worked the way we are just so we can get new flying and bigger jets. Hey MGMNT why don't you take those large jets and shove em up your ace! Last time I checked, Republic didn't take any concessions to get all of that flying for American. I'll be damned if I do a single day on reserve for less then what I'm making now! If they honestly want concessions that bad then BH's pay should be knocked down as well. That chart with their income is mind numbingly irritating to look at given the circumstances.


This line from Goodfellas explains how I feel now

http://youtu.be/cP_GOoBPKfQ

 

[enuffalready]

They love to stall, delay and drag their feet when it benefits them, now it's our turn. The longer the wait to get this done, the better the contract will have to be to keep current pilots and attract any new ones in a shrinking supply of qualified applicants.

Not a chance in hell I'll vote for any concessions, time to hold the line, especially since management has seen fit to give themselves raises.

THIS

if they even sniff at rigs its a F no! I am over them negotiating jacked up agreements with Delta, United, then come tell us we have to pay for it when they do dumb sh!t over and over. I swear to all that is holy i cannot wrap my brain around the sheer incompetence displayed on a regular basis from BH, SH, CT, etc. I used to think i just didn't have access to data and that they were doing a decent job, but good lord I was wrong. These guys are just not that bright

 

[wms]

here is what I expect, anything less is a "NO VOTE".

-FULL RESTORATION OF FRAGMENTAION POLICY (because SKYW pilots aren't going to support us.)
-5 hour min day.
-trip/duty rig based on actual.
-1 week vacation year 1, 2 year two, 3 year 5, 4 year 10(like the rest of the US)
-12 days off min every month for all pilots.
-alternate deadhead without approval (we're grown ups)
-eliminate occurrences (we're not hoodlums)
-eliminate duty in (we're grown ups)
-no call for release on reserve (we're grown ups)
-simple do-fly/don't fly list for reserves
-immediate notification and release or reassignment for cancellations
-evenly split pairing length between 1,2,3 and 4 days
-75 hours min every month, no moving window
-all days off hard
-no floating days off on reserve
-single day off requires additional day off for reserves
-hotel required in domicile when overnight cancellation
-FULL RESTORATION OF FRAGMENTATION POLICY
-specific formula for reserve coverage, not whim of Skd supv.
And of course, No loose language!
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[wms]

Not only am I not willing to give up anything, I want major improvements since mgmt is not willing to clean up the catastrophe they KNOW exists in the OCC. If we are going to be pushed and brow beaten by middle managers who can't find their butts with both hands then we need as much major contractual relief and improvement as possible in exchange for the hassle and misery.

 

[bri5150]

So funny. This is how Mesaba/Pinnacle threads were as well. Everyone is all up in arms saying there is no way they will vote yes...until your hand is forced and you vote yes or lose your job/airplanes. Good luck guys. I hope I am wrong.

 

[wms]

The difference is they do this to us every time, we have always held out.

 

[enuffalready]

The difference is they do this to us every time, we have always held out.

remember, they don't even need 50% of the pilots... they just need 50.01% of the pilots that VOTE. believe it or not, they already have a really good idea of the percentage of pilots that will actually vote and are structuring it to appeal to 50.01 of them. No different than a political election. If they go mostly after lxjt soft costs, B fund, etc, then it would mostly likely pass. not saying I agree, just making a point

 

[Clutch]

So funny. This is how Mesaba/Pinnacle threads were as well. Everyone is all up in arms saying there is no way they will vote yes...until your hand is forced and you vote yes or lose your job/airplanes. Good luck guys. I hope I am wrong.

You're already wrong. The pinnacle dooshers weren't up in arms at all. I remember one guy remarking on "how lean the company will be after the new concessionary contract" to gain more flying. What a bunch of turds.

 

[Freebrd]

huh huh he said turd

 

[Oakum_Boy]

This is way different than Comair. We will become a highly efficient single fleet airline that will be very lean and mean and difficult to compete with.

Reference the above if you have any questions about that group.

Don't forget, 85% think the way this guy does.

I'm voting No, and that's about it.

If they want to "force" us into concessions by declaring bankruptcy, then great. Let's go there. NOW.

(edited for content. I'm over the initial shock of re-reading that.)