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Originally Posted by jmt
The whole hiring process has turned away and alienated many good candidates.

UUUUMMMM, FedEx isn't any different than the red colored statement, but yeah, you'll probably make a lot more money.
PtP

Delta isn't any different than the red colored statement either. It seems that HR has control of the interview process at most Major airlines, and you must impress a psychiatrist and pass his testing to even be considered.

 

[808pilot]

Take this for what it's worth... Yes HR has the majority of control when it comes to the applicants... They sift through the various stacks of resumes (yes, stacks... One stack for guys with a local address, another for a local with internal recs, another for non-local with internal recs and so on...). Then they start making calls for interviews... If you have made to stage two then they total up all your points and you are now in a list in the order of how you did on the testing, interviews and sim.... From there the list goes in front of the CPs and they start at the top of it and work down and pull names for the third phase... The list of names is good for the whole year from when they opened the application window... If you get the third phase call you are as good as in... Unless Farkas catches something really stupid that you put down ( it's happened and they were done... Take your time on the psych tests)... This break down is from what I have been told and from what I have witnessed myself after three years of bangingnmynhead on their door.... It's not perfect but there is not one company out there that doesn't make you jump through the hoops...
Lately it seems that they take a cross section of all types of flying backgrounds.... One class is not all 121 regional guys... Its a mix of international freight, local 135, local cargo, mainland regional, military, etc...
JMT... I was told that you have to see more than just the CP.... Maybe you have... If you can get upto the training dept with some of the HAL pilots you know then that will help.... Talk to the director of training, the director of ops, even the contract guys that are retired HAL pilots ( those guys have amazing influence... Just ask all the guys coming over from Trans Air).... If you have done those things then great... You want it bad enough... If not then you have more work to do....
I can say I wanted it bad enough and yes I was lucky and fortunate... I was in the same pool as thousands of others... This was how I did it... Maybe it will work for others... Best of luck

 

[Dan Roman]

Take this for what it's worth... Yes HR has the majority of control when it comes to the applicants... They sift through the various stacks of resumes (yes, stacks... One stack for guys with a local address, another for a local with internal recs, another for non-local with internal recs and so on...). Then they start making calls for interviews... If you have made to stage two then they total up all your points and you are now in a list in the order of how you did on the testing, interviews and sim.... From there the list goes in front of the CPs and they start at the top of it and work down and pull names for the third phase... The list of names is good for the whole year from when they opened the application window... If you get the third phase call you are as good as in... Unless Farkas catches something really stupid that you put down ( it's happened and they were done... Take your time on the psych tests)... This break down is from what I have been told and from what I have witnessed myself after three years of bangingnmynhead on their door.... It's not perfect but there is not one company out there that doesn't make you jump through the hoops...
Lately it seems that they take a cross section of all types of flying backgrounds.... One class is not all 121 regional guys... Its a mix of international freight, local 135, local cargo, mainland regional, military, etc...
JMT... I was told that you have to see more than just the CP.... Maybe you have... If you can get upto the training dept with some of the HAL pilots you know then that will help.... Talk to the director of training, the director of ops, even the contract guys that are retired HAL pilots ( those guys have amazing influence... Just ask all the guys coming over from Trans Air).... If you have done those things then great... You want it bad enough... If not then you have more work to do....
I can say I wanted it bad enough and yes I was lucky and fortunate... I was in the same pool as thousands of others... This was how I did it... Maybe it will work for others... Best of luck

808 that was very well said. The simple fact is the quality of pilots we have hired has been simply outstanding. I also agree that, no doubt, good people are still trying. There is something to be said that perhaps too many pilots are getting interviewed and not hired. But you could also say that Hawaiian is trying to be as fair as possible to as many pilots as possible. They are finding pilots that come from all kinds of different aeronautical backgrounds and the one thing they have in common is they are, by and large, doing a great job. It's no secret we are expanding a lot and adding new A/C to our fleet. It's no small undertaking and the quality of pilots they are hiring is an important link in the chain. I'm sorry not everyone that should be hired can get hired, but Hawaiian is doing a great job of finding pilots well qualified to fill the vacancies that our International expansion has created. We have grown and hired a lot in the last few years, and it's been going well. I have seen were the quality of pilots they have hired has been an important factor in that success.

 

[slatsnfive]

disregarded post.

 

[jmt]

AnimalTale,

jmt is a true professional, sharp, and knowledgable in all areas, and is one of the "good ones" that got away due to what Hawaiian has done to the hiring process.

Tarnished reputation? Incorrect statement on your part.

Respectfully,
slatsnfive

Hey thanks Slatsnfive. I haven't given up on Hawaiian yet, I'll keep trying...

 

[HighSpeedClimb]

Making applicants sit in a circle and put on a hat and tell how this hat pertains to wanting to fly for HAL is demeaning. Check your ego hiring department!

 

[crash312]

Making applicants sit in a circle and put on a hat and tell how this hat pertains to wanting to fly for HAL is demeaning. Check your ego hiring department!

Is this for real???

 

[808pilot]

Back in 08' and 09' they had you pick a hat... No one said you had to wear it... I didn't... They don't do that anymore... They (hr) I think got a lot of grief over it (thank god)... Now they just pass around a bowl with questions in it and have you answer it in front of your group...

 

[Dan Roman]

Making applicants sit in a circle and put on a hat and tell how this hat pertains to wanting to fly for HAL is demeaning. Check your ego hiring department!

Actually, I heard the explanation behind the hat dance. It's to see how well you do with dealing with the unexpected and also how well you interact with others you don't know that well. Something along those lines. If your able to deal with it, it says a lot about you, If you think it's beneath you, than you probably wouldn't be the best candidate.

 

[Mookie]

Actually, I heard the explanation behind the hat dance. It's to see how well you do with dealing with the unexpected and also how well you interact with others you don't know that well. Something along those lines. If your able to deal with it, it says a lot about you, If you think it's beneath you, than you probably wouldn't be the best candidate.

I would rather fly a four day trip with someone who thought it was retarded...

Mookie

 

[HAL]

The way I see it, is that at any other profession, it's the professionals that make the hiring decisions, not the HR department. Doctors decide who joins their practice, not HR. Architects decide who joins their firms, not HR. Lawyers interview and select new junior partners, not HR. I certainly don't mind HR playing a part in the process, especially at corporations as large as airlines. But it should be the pilots themselves - with strict rules, procedures, and oversight - that run the process and make the decisions. We demean the profession, and give up a lot of 'quality control', by allowing others to make the decisions.

Just my 2 cents.

HAL

 

[Dan Roman]

Can't say I disagree completely, but the hiring process has always been a major hoop to jump through. It's not possible to hire everyone who should be hired, so the process is always going to be controversial. Look at the airlines pre dereg. Uniteds infamaous Stanine test was the classic example. I also question much of what these guys go through as being necessary. I'm blown away at some of the math these guys have to do. But when I heard the explanation about the hat deal, it made more sense.
They have certainly done a good job of finding good pilots, but I agree flight division should have a stronger say than HR. However, perhaps they do and they don't let on. It would be pretty convenient for them to say, in response to "why didn't my rec get hired?"....sorry, it's HR's fault. The fact is, everyone you talk to is pretty guarded with what they say. Personally I think the root of the problem lies at the feet of the lawyers more than than anything else.

 

[igneousy2]

I'll take having to choose a hat anyday over having to choose a stuffed animal.

 

[nordo_2]

I'll take having to choose a hat anyday over having to choose a stuffed animal.

Wtf ?

 

[Stugatz78]

For anyone who might know the answer,

I got called for the interview a few months back, but couldn't get the time off. What is the likelihood that I can reschedule or would I have to start over from square one??? Thanks!