Labor Busting costs?

[hydrarkt]

Can anyone tell me how much the labor busting companies, like the ones currently working for NJA cost?

 

[WGFP48]

Whatever the cost its worth every penny to get rid of the Teamsters!

 

[squonk]

Whatever the cost its worth every penny to get rid of the Teamsters!

Thank you for making our point. Moisture has said they have an infinite wellspring of money to out last the union. Really. Why not just pay and get us on the right track.

That's not what you're really worried about is it WG? You are worried that one day you'll be switching over to a yellow tie aren't you? The part that you really should be concerned about is that you have absolutely no say in what happens. Not one thing you can do. Moisture and the Godfather are playing poker with your company and you are sitting idly by without a vote. Sleep well my friend....2200+ do have a vote.

 

[h25b]

Sleep well my friend....2200+ do have a vote.

Only time will tell if you are the one who should be losing sleep...

That vote you cast could as easily cost you your job... Look at it this way, whatever happens the NJI guys/gals will still be flying. The NJA brothers don't have that luxury.

Even if that doesn't end up being the case at least the NJI guys won't be shopping for another job with "I just STFD" stamped on the resume.

You clearly have more to lose. I'm bett'n the NJI pilots sleep just peachy at night... And why in the world do you think that anyone else gives a squat about your vote ? What exactly has it gotten you so far ? Nada, nothing... That's what.

And I love all of this new found hatred for Santulli. This company is his brain child... You know the place that sends you a paycheck... If a group of people we're threatening to cease a large portion of my life's work and I had some extra millions lying around to toss them out on the street, believe me I'd do it. You bet your arse this is about ego. But that exists on both sides of the bargaining table. What most of us rubber-neckers are amazed by is the fact that we all watched you guys flocking to ExecutiveJet convinced that the new wave of corporate aviation was upon you and now here you are... What you failed to realize is that it's nothing more than an elaborate aircraft sales scheme cloaked with a glorifed charter operation.

 

[hydrarkt]

What exactly has it gotten you so far ? Nada, nothing... That's what.

Ah young grasshopper. You know not what you spew. Our votes thankfully rejected a TA that would have made this place a stepping stone to somewhere else, not a viable career option. Our votes got rid of a corrupt, idiotic, lying MEC and replaced by some that actually do the job that we voted them into.... they then got many of us over $4000 EACH because of purposeful violations of our CBA by the company. They are striving to get us a respectable contract that will ensure this dump to be a career... That's what the votes get.

 

[h25b]

they then got many of us over $4000 EACH because of purposeful violations of our CBA by the company.

$4000 bucks, that's it.. You're joking right ??? Please tell us you're kidding or this is a drunk post. Something, anything...



Over that same course of time can I ask what your union dues amounted to ???????

When it gets you something that matters on a mortgage application then we can talk... Who exactly voted in those "corrupt, idiotic, and lying" MEC members anyhow ?

 

[squonk]

Only time will tell if you are the one who should be losing sleep...

That vote you cast could as easily cost you your job... Look at it this way, whatever happens the NJI guys/gals will still be flying. The NJA brothers don't have that luxury.

Even if that doesn't end up being the case at least the NJI guys won't be shopping for another job with "I just STFD" stamped on the resume.

You clearly have more to lose. I'm bett'n the NJI pilots sleep just peachy at night... And why and the world do you think that anyone else gives a squat about your vote ? What exactly has it gotten you so far ? Nada, nothing... That's what.

Let me try again big guy.

WG has posted at least three times that he wants us to dump 1108 and sprinkle some pixie dust and things will magically be great here at NJA. If that happens, you will see the frax industry tank. I'm talking specifically QOL issues and pay will never reach any livable standard.

I don't doubt the pilots lose much sleep over us. I'm just saying that it must be tough not being able to control your own fate. That might cause a thought or two.

Let me break it down for you...82%/89%/93%. That is what our vote will get us. The MEC not caving in to every company whim that has come down the pipe. That is what it has gotten us. Every issue the Union has won in the chicken contest. We're betting we win again.

I don't care that you don't give a squat, but due to the frequency of your posts on the frax section, it sure looks like you give two $#!t$.

 

[FAcFriend]

they then got many of us over $4000 EACH because of purposeful violations of our CBA by the company hydrarkt

Think about this for a moment.
think about what you said...purposeful violations...

 

[squonk]

h25b:

What most of us rubber-neckers are amazed by is the fact that we all watched you guys flocking to ExecutiveJet convinced that the new wave of corporate aviation was upon you and now here you are... What you failed to realize is that it's nothing more than an elaborate aircraft sales scheme cloaked with a glorifed charter operation.

Did we get turned down by EJA a few years ago? Sounds like smug sour grapes to me.

 

[h25b]

h25b:



Did we get turned down by EJA a few years ago? Sounds like smug sour grapes to me.

Even funnier... You guys are a hoot tonite. If I had ever interviewed at NetJets and gotten turned down I'd kneel down towards CMH every afternoon and thank them for not hiring me. Believe me, that would be something I would openly brag about... Every rejected NJA interviewee in the world is right at this moment marking that down as one of the best days of their career and your trying to insult me with that ? If you're the same type that's at the bargaining table representing you this fight's already over.

I guess you aren't going to answer my questions ???

Let me try again big guy.

WG has posted at least three times that he wants us to dump 1108 and sprinkle some pixie dust and things will magically be great here at NJA. If that happens, you will see the frax industry tank. I'm talking specifically QOL issues and pay will never reach any livable standard.

I don't doubt the pilots lose much sleep over us. I'm just saying that it must be tough not being able to control your own fate. That might cause a thought or two.

Let me break it down for you...82%/89%/93%. That is what our vote will get us. The MEC not caving in to every company whim that has come down the pipe. That is what it has gotten us. Every issue the Union has won in the chicken contest. We're betting we win again.

I don't care that you don't give a squat, but due to the frequency of your posts on the frax section, it sure looks like you give two $#!t$.

O.K. you kind of answered my question. NOTHING THAT YOU CAN TAKE TO THE BANK !!!! Isn't that what you're after ??? I'm sure that's what poor, starving "reduced price lunch" netjetswife is after. Because if not, you're just in some pi$$ing match.

As for frequency of posts on the Frac board, well I think my use of the term "rubber-necker" best summed it up. Except we're witnessing the entire chain of events up till the car wreck. I guess that's why it's so gripping. It's like the "Dallas" season that JR got shot.

I really hope you do get a raise, it's just the way you're going about it that I have problems with. It's not wise to be chanting STFD with a guy like Buffett at the controls. And that's who's at the controls, believe it. Something tells me (given his well established union track record) that he's the one dragging this out.

 

[NJACMH]

(SU 1108 MEC ) Just another paid membership for job security


STFD - That's great mentality. STFD will help your kids free school lunches. LMAO

 

[squonk]

h25b:

As for frequency of posts on the Frac board, well I think my use of the term "rubber-necker" best summed it up. Except we're witnessing the entire chain of events up till the car wreck. I guess that's why it's so gripping. It's like the "Dallas" season that JR got shot

OK...that's some funny stuff! I'll give you that one!

 

[squonk]

(SU 1108 MEC ) Just another paid membership for job security


STFD - That's great mentality. STFD will help your kids free school lunches. LMAO

Hey numbnuts. Go back and read through this thread. Nowhere did anyone mention STFD.

I see where WalMart is putting out Christmas decorations.....the season is nigh.

Watch out for Black Friday also!

 

[NJACMH]

Hey numbnuts. Go back and read through this thread. Nowhere did anyone mention STFD.

I see where WalMart is putting out Christmas decorations.....the season is nigh.

Watch out for Black Friday also!

Is this a threat?

 

[CL60]

US Bureau of Labor Statistics data

squonk:

I don't doubt the pilots lose much sleep over us. I'm just saying that it must be tough not being able to control your own fate. That might cause a thought or two.

According to the US Bureau of Labor Statistics, there are a vast majority of US workers who, according to the above quote, do not "control" their own fate. As for the 13.8 percent of US workers who were represented by unions in 2004, the question of who is in "control of their fate" is subjective and open to debate.

 

[squonk]

squonk:



According to the US Bureau of Labor Statistics, there are a vast majority of US workers who, according to the above quote, do not "control" their own fate. As for the 13.8 percent of US workers who were represented by unions in 2004, the question of who is in "control of their fate" is subjective and open to debate.

I don't disagree with this. The point I'm making is that in this case, NJI has to watch from the sidelines. They have no say in the outcome other than debate on this board.

 

[xpdriver]

The people on this board that bash pilots and the union are NJA MGMT..Don't listen to there sh^&. They are on here because some over paid lawyer told them they could start some rumors and try to knock down the union(NEVER). We are to strong. Get off this board NJA MGMT and go and try to save a company that everyday you guys destroy....

 

[NJACMH]

The people on this board that bash pilots and the union are NJA MGMT..Don't listen to there sh^&. They are on here because some over paid lawyer told them they could start some rumors and try to knock down the union(NEVER). We are to strong. Get off this board NJA MGMT and go and try to save a company that everyday you guys destroy....

You guys destroy the company by all the slow down actions you take.

Just remember: Your directly biting the hand that feeds you!

 

[Hogprint]

A 16 post Johnny come lately posted:

You guys destroy the company by all the slow down actions you take.

This is an illegal job action. Believe me when I say, if this was true, you would be in court so fast it would make Moisture soil his Depends.

 

[CMHTroll]

A 16 post Johnny come lately posted:

This is an illegal job action. Believe me when I say, if this was true, you would be in court so fast it would make Moisture soil his Depends.

Got quite a few already. Won't use em unless we absolutely have to. Time will tell, so stand down and try and act like a grown up and just wait it out for a little while until your team gets back to bargaining in good faith..

 

[hydrarkt]

Got quite a few already. Won't use em unless we absolutely have to. Time will tell, so stand down and try and act like a grown up and just wait it out for a little while until your team gets back to bargaining in good faith..

I'll match you that foolish hand for a hand of "single carrier lawsuit." If you have the same team on your side that fought the last couple of grievances, I would fold. Every time the company thinks it has a rock solid case, it dissolves like a witch under water... just like the case they're about to lose in federal court over a pilot termination.. care to wager on that one???

 

[xpdriver]

NJACMH proves my point...FUNNY thing, but we are not doing any slow downs. It just shows how horrible scheduling and management are..If we were doing slow downs(WE ARE NOT) we would already be out of business.

 

[Hogprint]

Got quite a few already. Won't use em unless we absolutely have to. Time will tell, so stand down and try and act like a grown up and just wait it out for a little while until your team gets back to bargaining in good faith..

BS...If you could of taken a hostage it would have happened already. The company would love nothing more than a high profile "I told you so", to kick off the FUD campaign. I'm sure you're talking about the endless BWY 1 arrivals to try and instill fear and intimidation in the work force. It may work on some, but not all. Won't use 'em...yeah right.

For the record you wasted over $3000 bringing my crew up for a chat that ended with egg on managements face. Could not even squeeze in a letter in my permanent record. I especially loved the look on the big mans face when we had to correct him on his own policy. Nothing like watching a VP try and squirm out of a lie. Nice going ladies.

 

[You're right]

For the record you wasted over $3000 bringing my crew up for a chat that ended with egg on managements face. Could not even squeeze in a letter in my permanent record. I especially loved the look on the big mans face when we had to correct him on his own policy. Nothing like watching a VP try and squirm out of a lie. Nice going ladies.

Curious, what was the issue or policy screw up? I would doubt that the VP would bring you to CMH and not even know his own policy.

 

[Hogprint]

Curious, what was the issue or policy screw up? I would doubt that the VP would bring you to CMH and not even know his own policy.

You're right...you're wrong. The VP did not bring me up, that was one of his toadies that made that call. He got involved for some reason. In the end all that mattered was I was right, they were wrong. No disciplinary action on my crew. It could have all been handled with a simple $1 telephone call. They chose the hard (and expensive) way. It just shows what kind of leadership we really have here. After reflecting on it, it was just to spread fear. Over three thousand dollars spent in the hopes that I would repeat the story and the next crew would not stand up for themselves.

ps
Don't doubt this VP is out to lunch. He really is a piece of work.

 

[You're right]

You're right...you're wrong. The VP did not bring me up, that was one of his toadies that made that call. He got involved for some reason. In the end all that mattered was I was right, they were wrong. No disciplinary action on my crew. It could have all been handled with a simple $1 telephone call. They chose the hard (and expensive) way. It just shows what kind of leadership we really have here. After reflecting on it, it was just to spread fear. Over three thousand dollars spent in the hopes that I would repeat the story and the next crew would not stand up for themselves.

ps
Don't doubt this VP is out to lunch. He really is a piece of work.

Stand up for what? The crews right to do what?

 

[FAcFriend]

BS...If you could of taken a hostage it would have happened already. The company would love nothing more than a high profile "I told you so", to kick off the FUD campaign. I'm sure you're talking about the endless BWY 1 arrivals to try and instill fear and intimidation in the work force. It may work on some, but not all. Won't use 'em...yeah right.

For the record you wasted over $3000 bringing my crew up for a chat that ended with egg on managements face. Could not even squeeze in a letter in my permanent record. I especially loved the look on the big mans face when we had to correct him on his own policy. Nothing like watching a VP try and squirm out of a lie. Nice going ladies.

Hog, an occasional walk to CMH to meet wiht management is a good thing. Obviously you do not want a management position or you would be happy for the face time.

Also hostages? Oh cmon. Hoggie, you sound like you are starting to believe your own propoganda.

 

[transpac]

Hog, an occasional walk to CMH to meet wiht management is a good thing. Obviously you do not want a management position or you would be happy for the face time.

Also hostages? Oh cmon. Hoggie, you sound like you are starting to believe your own propoganda.

YGSM!! They bring you to CMH fully intending to fire you.

 

[Semore Butts]

Well here's my opinion

Union members please refer to day 27, line "B".


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[FAcFriend]

transpac-

Kidding ok?

but the hostages propaganda is comical.