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How much training / time would it take for a commercial pilot with instrument and multi. ratings to get checked out in a King Air 90 at some place like Flight Safety? What if the pilot only had 400 hours (20 multi.)?
 

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FSI BE90 Initial is 5 days. May wnat to look into SimCom as it is MUCH cheaper. I did the 90 course with about 500TT and 250 ME. 20 hrs doesn't seem like a whole lot of ME time. Easy plane to fly, but without the ME time I would have some concern about ME procedures (i.e. engine out, higher speeds/performance). Just my .02
 

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gulfstream international flight academy will sell you a job to get multi time.
 

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Just my opinion, and maybe I'm just old and slow, but at first thought, I think FS would kick your butt. When I went (for the C90), I had over 1000 multi, and it was still lots of work, but, I suppose it cold be done. YMMV. It would sure help if you could get some ride-along time with someone.
 

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The 90 is such a simple airplane that I would think SimCom to be the better choice. I think their initial is 4 days (?) and the guys I know who've done it, say it's about 3 days too long.
 

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The 90 is such a simple airplane that I would think SimCom to be the better choice. I think their initial is 4 days (?) and the guys I know who've done it, say it's about 3 days too long.

I've heard the same thing about the J3 Cub...such a simple airplane. It kills you, just not as quickly. Right?

Those who think they're getting too much training are usually the ones you really need to watch out for.
 

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avbug said:
I've heard the same thing about the J3 Cub...such a simple airplane. It kills you, just not as quickly. Right?

Those who think they're getting too much training are usually the ones you really need to watch out for.

Yeah, whatever.
 

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daysleeper2621 said:
mike1, how were you able to get 250 me hours with only 500 tt?

Got a job flying right seat in a Baron and doing some operations work. Flew as PIC on all 91 legs. Built a good amount of time quickly. Great esxperience. Once a King Air 90 came on certificate, I was sent to school.
 

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daysleeper2621 said:
How much training / time would it take for a commercial pilot with instrument and multi. ratings to get checked out in a King Air 90 at some place like Flight Safety? What if the pilot only had 400 hours (20 multi.)?
The first place to start would be with the insurance company. With 400 TT and 20 ME insurance will likely be an issue. Remember, it's not really the FAA or the various training centers who get to say who can fly what, it's the insurance company.

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Pilot_Ryan said:
The 90 is such a simple airplane that I would think SimCom to be the better choice. I think their initial is 4 days (?) and the guys I know who've done it, say it's about 3 days too long.
How much 90 time do you have? Where did you go to school?

I'd like to meet the guys you know and learn their secret. I went to SimCom with ~1300/500 and needed every single day of the course. After I got some time in the plane, I became a King Air instructor for a company in SoCal. Most of my students were businessmen who'd been to SimCom or FSI but knew they weren't ready to fly single pilot. The insurance companies mandated 50-100hrs with an instructor anyway.

The BE90 is an easy to fly, very well designed A/C. It will also kill you in a hurry. AvBug's right on this one.

Daysleeper- With 400/20 insurance will be the biggest hurdle.
 
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Lead Sled said:
The first place to start would be with the insurance company. With 400 TT and 20 ME insurance will likely be an issue. Remember, it's not really the FAA or the various training centers who get to say who can fly what, it's the insurance company.

'Sled

I was thinking the exact same thing! It's the insurance cost of a low time pilot in a ME turbine that would probably be the more important question to ask (among others).

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quick question. What happens if you're flying an airplane that you are not covered by insurance in, you're involved in an accident of some sort, does anything happen to the pilot regarding his certificate? Or does the insurance just not pay for the damage since they did not cover the pilot who was involved in the accident?
 

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daysleeper2621 said:
quick question. What happens if you're flying an airplane that you are not covered by insurance in, you're involved in an accident of some sort, does anything happen to the pilot regarding his certificate? Or does the insurance just not pay for the damage since they did not cover the pilot who was involved in the accident?

Pt 91? Shouldn't be any certificate problem. I believe 135 requires insurance....been a whlie though.

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daysleeper2621 said:
quick question. What happens if you're flying an airplane that you are not covered by insurance in, you're involved in an accident of some sort, does anything happen to the pilot regarding his certificate?
Why are you asking this question? It sounds like you're setting yourself (more likely, your surviving family members) up for a lot of heartache.

Let's see...
400hr pilot flying a BE90 he's not insured in + "an accident of some sort"?

:eek:
 

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Guys,
I never said I was going to actually be flying a King Air. I was just asking these questions because I know you can fly King Air's (90 and 200 series) without any type rating and I was just wondering since the FAA doesn't require pilots to pass any checkride or anything to fly these airplanes then what is required, especially for low time pilots like myself. Flying a King Air would definitely be a bad a$$ way to gain multi time let alone experience in high altitude/high speed flying. Just a curious young pilot, that's all. Thanks for everyone's input.
 

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The fastest way to getting yourself killed is to follow the FARs. The FAA will let you do LOTS of stuff that just shouldn't be done. King Air is not cheap, and I wouldn't suggest going to school to build time. Not worth while.
 

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Buy a C90-A for yourself ............... $1.2 million
got to simuflite and take the initial... $8,000
Self insure that baby.. $10 million
Fly when you want to and go where you want to: PRICLESS
 

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daysleeper2621 said:
Guys,
I never said I was going to actually be flying a King Air. I was just asking these questions because I know you can fly King Air's (90 and 200 series) without any type rating and I was just wondering since the FAA doesn't require pilots to pass any checkride or anything to fly these airplanes then what is required, especially for low time pilots like myself. Flying a King Air would definitely be a bad a$$ way to gain multi time let alone experience in high altitude/high speed flying. Just a curious young pilot, that's all. Thanks for everyone's input.

Yeah, the answer to your question is...you don't need no stinkin' check-out. If you got a kingair an a multi engine rating...go for it.
If you've had 3 landings in the last 90 days in any multi engine, you're good to go..with pax.
 
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