King Air 90 Training

[daysleeper2621]

How much training / time would it take for a commercial pilot with instrument and multi. ratings to get checked out in a King Air 90 at some place like Flight Safety? What if the pilot only had 400 hours (20 multi.)?

 

[mike1mc]

FSI BE90 Initial is 5 days. May wnat to look into SimCom as it is MUCH cheaper. I did the 90 course with about 500TT and 250 ME. 20 hrs doesn't seem like a whole lot of ME time. Easy plane to fly, but without the ME time I would have some concern about ME procedures (i.e. engine out, higher speeds/performance). Just my .02

 

[daysleeper2621]

mike1, how were you able to get 250 me hours with only 500 tt?

 

[jaxpilot]

gulfstream international flight academy will sell you a job to get multi time.

 

[340drvr]

Just my opinion, and maybe I'm just old and slow, but at first thought, I think FS would kick your butt. When I went (for the C90), I had over 1000 multi, and it was still lots of work, but, I suppose it cold be done. YMMV. It would sure help if you could get some ride-along time with someone.

 

[Pilot_Ryan]

The 90 is such a simple airplane that I would think SimCom to be the better choice. I think their initial is 4 days (?) and the guys I know who've done it, say it's about 3 days too long.

 

[avbug]

The 90 is such a simple airplane that I would think SimCom to be the better choice. I think their initial is 4 days (?) and the guys I know who've done it, say it's about 3 days too long.

I've heard the same thing about the J3 Cub...such a simple airplane. It kills you, just not as quickly. Right?

Those who think they're getting too much training are usually the ones you really need to watch out for.

 

[Pilot_Ryan]

I've heard the same thing about the J3 Cub...such a simple airplane. It kills you, just not as quickly. Right?

Those who think they're getting too much training are usually the ones you really need to watch out for.

Yeah, whatever.

 

[avbug]

I rest my case.

 

[mike1mc]

mike1, how were you able to get 250 me hours with only 500 tt?

Got a job flying right seat in a Baron and doing some operations work. Flew as PIC on all 91 legs. Built a good amount of time quickly. Great esxperience. Once a King Air 90 came on certificate, I was sent to school.

 

[Lead Sled]

How much training / time would it take for a commercial pilot with instrument and multi. ratings to get checked out in a King Air 90 at some place like Flight Safety? What if the pilot only had 400 hours (20 multi.)?

The first place to start would be with the insurance company. With 400 TT and 20 ME insurance will likely be an issue. Remember, it's not really the FAA or the various training centers who get to say who can fly what, it's the insurance company.

'Sled

 

[HMR]

The 90 is such a simple airplane that I would think SimCom to be the better choice. I think their initial is 4 days (?) and the guys I know who've done it, say it's about 3 days too long.

How much 90 time do you have? Where did you go to school?

I'd like to meet the guys you know and learn their secret. I went to SimCom with ~1300/500 and needed every single day of the course. After I got some time in the plane, I became a King Air instructor for a company in SoCal. Most of my students were businessmen who'd been to SimCom or FSI but knew they weren't ready to fly single pilot. The insurance companies mandated 50-100hrs with an instructor anyway.

The BE90 is an easy to fly, very well designed A/C. It will also kill you in a hurry. AvBug's right on this one.

Daysleeper- With 400/20 insurance will be the biggest hurdle.

 

[rfresh]

The first place to start would be with the insurance company. With 400 TT and 20 ME insurance will likely be an issue. Remember, it's not really the FAA or the various training centers who get to say who can fly what, it's the insurance company.

'Sled

I was thinking the exact same thing! It's the insurance cost of a low time pilot in a ME turbine that would probably be the more important question to ask (among others).

Ralph
www.wxnotice.com

 

[daysleeper2621]

quick question. What happens if you're flying an airplane that you are not covered by insurance in, you're involved in an accident of some sort, does anything happen to the pilot regarding his certificate? Or does the insurance just not pay for the damage since they did not cover the pilot who was involved in the accident?

 

[minitour]

quick question. What happens if you're flying an airplane that you are not covered by insurance in, you're involved in an accident of some sort, does anything happen to the pilot regarding his certificate? Or does the insurance just not pay for the damage since they did not cover the pilot who was involved in the accident?

Pt 91? Shouldn't be any certificate problem. I believe 135 requires insurance....been a whlie though.

-mini

 

[HMR]

quick question. What happens if you're flying an airplane that you are not covered by insurance in, you're involved in an accident of some sort, does anything happen to the pilot regarding his certificate?

Why are you asking this question? It sounds like you're setting yourself (more likely, your surviving family members) up for a lot of heartache.

Let's see...
400hr pilot flying a BE90 he's not insured in + "an accident of some sort"?

 

[daysleeper2621]

Guys,
I never said I was going to actually be flying a King Air. I was just asking these questions because I know you can fly King Air's (90 and 200 series) without any type rating and I was just wondering since the FAA doesn't require pilots to pass any checkride or anything to fly these airplanes then what is required, especially for low time pilots like myself. Flying a King Air would definitely be a bad a$$ way to gain multi time let alone experience in high altitude/high speed flying. Just a curious young pilot, that's all. Thanks for everyone's input.

 

[mike1mc]

The fastest way to getting yourself killed is to follow the FARs. The FAA will let you do LOTS of stuff that just shouldn't be done. King Air is not cheap, and I wouldn't suggest going to school to build time. Not worth while.

 

[pilothouston123]

Buy a C90-A for yourself ............... $1.2 million
got to simuflite and take the initial... $8,000
Self insure that baby.. $10 million
Fly when you want to and go where you want to: PRICLESS

 

[nosehair]

Guys,
I never said I was going to actually be flying a King Air. I was just asking these questions because I know you can fly King Air's (90 and 200 series) without any type rating and I was just wondering since the FAA doesn't require pilots to pass any checkride or anything to fly these airplanes then what is required, especially for low time pilots like myself. Flying a King Air would definitely be a bad a$$ way to gain multi time let alone experience in high altitude/high speed flying. Just a curious young pilot, that's all. Thanks for everyone's input.

Yeah, the answer to your question is...you don't need no stinkin' check-out. If you got a kingair an a multi engine rating...go for it.
If you've had 3 landings in the last 90 days in any multi engine, you're good to go..with pax.
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[Lead Sled]

The fastest way to getting yourself killed is to follow the FARs.

Really? So what are you saying?

'Sled

 

[Lead Sled]

Yeah, the answer to your question is...you don't need no stinkin' check-out. If you got a kingair an a multi engine rating...go for it.

If you've had 3 landings in the last 90 days in any multi engine, you're good to go..with pax.

Nosehair...
Let me know when you figure out how to start the thing. I'd really like to be there and watch when you load up the passengers and "go for it".

'Sled

 

[puddlejumper]

At the first dropzone I flew at, the insurance company required at least 100 hrs multi to fly the King Air 90. I think I had somewhere around 1500 hrs TT. No formal training required, which I wish there was. I had flown jumpers for a couple seasons in a 206 and had been flying an Aztec part 135 when I started studying the BE65-90 flight manual very thoroughly. The boss man flew a couple loads with me riding along and then he rode along a couple hops and we were ready to go. Great airplane. Easier to fly than an Aztec or Baron. Most of the "advanced systems" had been deactivated per the STC, so it was pretty much a no-brainer (luckily for me, and the skydivers). It would be a stretch though for someone with only 20 hrs multi, especially if you were operating it the way it's supposed to operated, in the flight levels, pressurized and in all sorts of weather.

 

[User546]

quick question. What happens if you're flying an airplane that you are not covered by insurance in...

Believe me 400 hours, and 20 multi, and a King Air 90, you better have the insurance! (And in answer to an earlier question, no you don't need insurance if it's Part 91.)

I started flying a 90 with 100 multi and there for awhle I always had atleast one leg behind the aircraft. VFR days are allright, but start adding in increased workload (bad weather, single-pilot IFR, faulty equipment) and the last thing you need to be worrying about is how to fly the airplane.

Flying something like a King Air, multi-engine flying and technique needs to be second-nature to you. Don't be using an airplane of that type to be feeling out what multi-engine flying is all about or cutting your teeth per say. You'll get in trouble quicker then you can get out. Not saying it can't be done, but it's probably not the safest move for a guy with only 20 multi.

 

[avbug]

The fastest way to getting yourself killed is to follow the FARs. The FAA will let you do LOTS of stuff that just shouldn't be done.

What utter foolishness.

There are two tests of propriety in the aircraft. One is that you must be legal. Period.

The second is that you must be safe. Without question.

The first does not negate the second, nor does the second preempt the first. Both are possible, all the time, or you do not fly. Period.

There is no regulation preventing you from being more conservative than the regulation.

The regulation is written in blood. Failure to respect the regulation may result in both legal trouble, and the use of your blood to write more regulation.

We have enough regulation, thanks. Keep your blood. Follow what's already written.

 

[Horizon]

For anything you say, I can top it. For any opinion you have, I can tell you that it is wrong. I am an aviation god. Nobody can surpass me.

Um...wow

 

[avbug]

Mmm. Care to give a location reference for the quote you just made up?

Care to intelligently comment with something that adds to the discussion?

Mmm. Didn't think so. Play again.

 

[mike1mc]

Let's not get our panties in a bunch here. I simply meant that too many people follow the FARs and don't have enough common sense to think about safety.

 

[spudskier]

Just my $0.02 I have my ME with about 13 multi and 400TT, I've had the chance to fly a King Air Sim as well as the King Air 90 itself (not as PIC) I did my multi in a Baron which is fast, but it's no 90. The 90's a handful, it's fast (of course fun) but as one of my instructor's once said... "aviation's a ladder, skip a rung and the fall could kill you."

Of course it comes back to multi fundamentals, but add in a few systems and a little speed it can get away from you pretty quickly. There is something to be said for paying your dues and getting the experience...

now riding SIC (not the thread for all the logbook semantics), two thumbs up! That's one helluva monday morning!

 

[Lead Sled]

"Aviation's a ladder, skip a rung and the fall could kill you."

That's very profound. You don't often come across the profound around here. I had never heard it said like that before, but he is absolutely correct.

'Sled