Kids go learn a trade....

[FN FAL]

Optometry is another great field.

Aye! Farming is also an outstanding field.

 

[MFRskyknight]

DO NOT plan to work for someone else your whole life. You will if you become an MD or an Atty (most likely). I have MD friends, pharmacist friends, and lawyer friends who are bailing.

Managed care has taken the profits from the Drs. They are simply salaried workers who work whenever the HMO or PPO or hospital tells them. They're respected and get to wear their little white coats, but many hate what the medical profession has become...... a business with mgmt taking the profits, just like other businesses. If, as a Dr, you work your way to mgmt or ownership, it might be different for you -- so, why not just figure out how to be mgmt from the beginning instead of going $200,000 in debt for med school? Pharmacists are in the same predicament.

Lawyers are in a similar boat, but they can still hang a shingle and get business. Bigger firms eat them up though, so now many go with the big firms and become a salaried employee praying they can become a partner -- again, working for someone else.

Get a job that pays well, learn to invest, seek financial independence. Just having this mindset will help keep you from being trapped. Once you develop several income streams, you may no longer need your 'job' -- but keep it if you like it.

I know many dozed off reading the last paragraph. We (pilots) don't seem to be too interested in making the finances work. We'll borrow thousands of dollars to get a $20,000/yr job. We think we're smart, and perhaps we are in an airplane, but not in the biz world -- this is the reason mgmt 'owns' us.

Don't get trapped with a high-priced education that places you in a position where you're tied to a job controlled by mgmt that's profitting off of you. They love that. You be the mgmt -- if not of a company at least of your own portfolio and assets.

Either get a financial education, or someone else is going to teach it to you the hard way.

Fugawe

This is excellent advice, and I'm happy to say I share your mindset. I'm planning on entrepreneurship at some point, which will (hopefully) give me the means to fly my own plane for leisure, and commercially at my choice.

It's sad that for every post like this, there's a thousand of the "who do I sell my soul to for an airline job?" threads.

MFR

 

[MDAutry]

people have chosen to work for very little in our industry. It is sad but it is also a reality. Either deal with the situation and find your niche in aviation or find a niche somewhere else. Do realize that in every career there are many challenges and good jobs are not given away, they are earned.

 

[SkyBoy1981]

I don't think its going to be a "shortage", but there will be quite a bit of hiring at major airlines between now and 2010. With that being said, the pay, work rules, and benefits are becomming so poor that the profession is going to attract a whole different kind of person.

 

[cezzna]

The simple truth is America is beginning a long slide into second world status. It will take a long time, but it will happen. Post WWII we were the only game and cornered manufacturing, ingenuity, the forefront of most breakthroughs in most industry. The rest of the world is catching up. They do it cheaper because anything is a step up. As long as someone on the global economy will do it cheaper, we're going to lose. Eventually China will take the lead in technology advancement, and we'll be on the sidelines kind of like Europe. America is losing ground but the world is gaining ground.

 

[mcjohn]

What do you think should be done with all the illegal immigrants that work SOOOOO much harder than we do? (note sarcasm.) I think all the illegals make it too easy for the rich to continue getting richer and the poor to get poorer which exacerbates the idea of america being on the long slide into second world status.

 

[cezzna]

Republicans want cheap labor which equals mo money, and Democrats want cheap votes. This means illegals are here to stay.

 

[pilotyip]

America is loosing because we have fewer Math and Science graduates than we did in the 60's when the college population was 1/4 of what is now. The brains used to move to the US from overseas, now we send the work to the brains that stay home in their country. BTW skyboy it will probably attract a different person, someone who just likes to fly, and feels $100K is a decent salary for doing a job your really like.

 

[Fugawe]

What do you think should be done with all the illegal immigrants that work SOOOOO much harder than we do? (note sarcasm.) I think all the illegals make it too easy for the rich to continue getting richer and the poor to get poorer which exacerbates the idea of america being on the long slide into second world status.

First, if they're illegal, treat them as illegals.

Second, those that bitch about the 'rich' (rich is relative), either aren't rich or don't ever plan to be rich. If you want to live in mediocrity, then do nothing. If you want to live like the 'rich', then do what the rich do.

It's easy to be an average citizen and investor, just do what the average Joe does. If you don't want to be 'average', then don't do what the average do.

Fugawe

 

[Flyguy6]

Why would you come on a board wher epeople come toseekadvice and tear their dreams down? If a person has a desire to be a professional pilot why try and tear them down just because you dont like it? Not everyone is getting into it for the 100K pay. I myself am fine with $70-80K. Why berate your own profession?

 

[CrimsonEclipse]

Why would you come on a board wher epeople come toseekadvice and tear their dreams down? If a person has a desire to be a professional pilot why try and tear them down just because you dont like it? Not everyone is getting into it for the 100K pay. I myself am fine with $70-80K. Why berate your own profession?

BEWARE OF DOG

"why? i like dogs, here boy!!" *pet-pet*

(*GROWL!!*) (biting, ripping, schredding, sounds of screaming)

CE

 

[Fugawe]

Why would you come on a board wher epeople come toseekadvice and tear their dreams down? If a person has a desire to be a professional pilot why try and tear them down just because you dont like it? Not everyone is getting into it for the 100K pay. I myself am fine with $70-80K. Why berate your own profession?

Flyguy6, who are you addressing?

 

[g4800xp]

This is the greatest gig on the planet. In 2005 I flew, laid over or went to training 144 days. About 80 overnights in those 144 days worked . I flew 375 hours in 3 types, Asia, Europe and stateside trips. There are great jobs out there, clean living pays off. Don't let these burned out crab asses dampen your dreams. Life is , and your job is what you make it.

 

[Fugawe]

This is the greatest gig on the planet. In 2005 I flew, laid over or went to training 144 days. About 80 overnights in those 144 days worked . I flew 375 hours in 3 types, Asia, Europe and stateside trips. There are great jobs out there, clean living pays off. Don't let these burned out crab asses dampen your dreams. Life is , and your job is what you make it.

Great 'gig'. Wow dude, gnarly, rippin', cool.

You're missing the point. We all love to fly, we all do work like you cite (most of us anyway). It is great most of the time. But.....if you have to do it for the pay, eventually it'll come to bite you. So, the point is (as Pilotyip says well) fly because you like to (or love to) -- not because you HAVE to.

Crabasses -- I like that one!

You have a medical problem, you want to see an experienced Dr. You have a legal problem, you want to see an experienced lawyer. You want a flying career, why not listen to experienced pilots? Plenty on the forum.

Youthful exuberance is wonderful. Jettin' around the planet is a great gig. Call me in 10 years and let me know how it's going.

Fugawe

 

[g4800xp]

Well Fugawe, I guess I should have used language more age appropriate than "gig". I am ever so sorry to have offended you. Wow dude, gnarly, rippin', cool are not in my limited vacabulary.
You smart mouth me with"You have a medical problem, you want to see an experienced Dr. You have a legal problem, you want to see an experienced lawyer. You want a flying career, why not listen to experienced pilots? Plenty on the forum.

Youthful exuberance is wonderful. Jettin' around the planet is a great gig. Call me in 10 years and let me know how it's going."

Well Fugawe, it has been a great ride, I am more than likely your age, and I pray I will still feel the same in 10 years, if not I will do something else. Simple! I know not everyone can just " do something else" but I choose to use my off time doing just that. The only point I was hoping to make is that for someone looking to get in this career field, there are some great jobs in aviation, it can give you a hell of a great life, and that it is not all doom and gloom in aviation. These post's are filled with angry people who hate flying and I don't. I think this is the greatest job out there. Sorry, I am happy, positive and love my job. I am happy you have a billion hours and Big Iron types( I love Boeings and you are a fortunate guy to have been able to fly the best). I just wish once and a while someone can say they enjoy their job without getting whacked here for saying it.

 

[Fugawe]

Well Fugawe, I guess I should have used language more age appropriate than "gig". I am ever so sorry to have offended you. Wow dude, gnarly, rippin', cool are not in my limited vacabulary.

You smart mouth me with"You have a medical problem, you want to see an experienced Dr. You have a legal problem, you want to see an experienced lawyer. You want a flying career, why not listen to experienced pilots? Plenty on the forum.

Youthful exuberance is wonderful. Jettin' around the planet is a great gig. Call me in 10 years and let me know how it's going."

Well Fugawe, it has been a great ride, I am more than likely your age, and I pray I will still feel the same in 10 years, if not I will do something else. Simple! I know not everyone can just " do something else" but I choose to use my off time doing just that. The only point I was hoping to make is that for someone looking to get in this career field, there are some great jobs in aviation, it can give you a hell of a great life, and that it is not all doom and gloom in aviation. These post's are filled with angry people who hate flying and I don't. I think this is the greatest job out there. Sorry, I am happy, positive and love my job. I am happy you have a billion hours and Big Iron types( I love Boeings and you are a fortunate guy to have been able to fly the best). I just wish once and a while someone can say they enjoy their job without getting whacked here for saying it.

Hmm, I don't see it as 'smart-mouthing' -- perhaps I come from a more matter-of-fact background......i.e. say what you think. No offense intended.

You make good points. I think we view the picture similarly, but write differently from diff perspectives. I don't view the glass as half empty either. Perhaps the posts indicate that to you.

I simply advocate a lifestyle that doesn't force you to depend on the flying job........this will ensure you keep loving the 'job'. It's really not the job you love, it's the flying. If the job aspect becomes a burden, the associated flying will suffer. A simple truth many discover only too late. Ask the Delta guys. I've got many friends there and they certainly are not talking about any of the great trips they fly.

Fugawe

 

[g4800xp]

I could not agree more Fugawe, we never know what the future holds. I tend to like your posts, you are a realist, I am as well and you are not one of the angry crabasses. Life is what we make it and always have a plan B in the back pocket.

 

[g4800xp]

Hey fugawe, is that you in the avtar?

 

[Fugawe]

Hey fugawe, is that you in the avtar?

Ha, yeah, back when I was 'good looking'!

Naw.......really, he's my alter-ego from the Fugawe tribe.

 

[CrimsonEclipse]

Ha, yeah, back when I was 'good looking'!

Naw.......really, he's my alter-ego from the Fugawe tribe.

Isn't that also known as the Wadda Fugawe tribe?

If so, we're in the same tribe.

CE