Kids go learn a trade....

[mcjohn]

Pattern-Master, if your in debt so bad from flight training then I wish someone would have warned you. Your post is a noble effort, however, discourage folks from the debt trap that flight training can create. Not, from pursuing a flying career. Have you seen my post:
http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=76210

If you like it then post a reply. It could use a bump.

 

[pilotyip]

It is true, it is true

whoops!

 

[pilotyip]

It is true, it is true

Shamrock, The impending world wide pilot shortage article is from Boeing in the April issue of Air Transport World, the airline management magazine.

 

[800Dog]

You suggest training for a job an illegal will do. Only for 40% of fair wage. I would suggest going back to school to become either an Attorney or a Medical Doctor. These two professions have the strongest unions. They control supply / demand. Engineering, etc is best left to the H1B visa types (chinese, indians). Our government has provided an unlimited source of cheap labor. They drone on and on about our "war on terrorism", yet you can walk into this country quite easily and without an $11 / hr TSA "screener" patting you down like a criminal. Amazing what the electorate sheep are willing to accept.

Optometry is another great field. A good friend of mine makes good $$ in the field and said only 1,000 graduate each year from 16 or schools around the nation.

 

[GogglesPisano]

Shamrock, The impending world wide pilot shortage article is from Boeing in the April issue of Air Transport World, the airline management magazine.

And airline management doesn't have a vested interest in perpetuating a myth which results in ever cheaper labor.

 

[Fugawe]

You suggest training for a job an illegal will do. Only for 40% of fair wage. I would suggest going back to school to become either an Attorney or a Medical Doctor. These two professions have the strongest unions. They control supply / demand. Engineering, etc is best left to the H1B visa types (chinese, indians). Our government has provided an unlimited source of cheap labor. They drone on and on about our "war on terrorism", yet you can walk into this country quite easily and without an $11 / hr TSA "screener" patting you down like a criminal. Amazing what the electorate sheep are willing to accept.

DO NOT plan to work for someone else your whole life. You will if you become an MD or an Atty (most likely). I have MD friends, pharmacist friends, and lawyer friends who are bailing.

Managed care has taken the profits from the Drs. They are simply salaried workers who work whenever the HMO or PPO or hospital tells them. They're respected and get to wear their little white coats, but many hate what the medical profession has become...... a business with mgmt taking the profits, just like other businesses. If, as a Dr, you work your way to mgmt or ownership, it might be different for you -- so, why not just figure out how to be mgmt from the beginning instead of going $200,000 in debt for med school? Pharmacists are in the same predicament.

Lawyers are in a similar boat, but they can still hang a shingle and get business. Bigger firms eat them up though, so now many go with the big firms and become a salaried employee praying they can become a partner -- again, working for someone else.

Get a job that pays well, learn to invest, seek financial independence. Just having this mindset will help keep you from being trapped. Once you develop several income streams, you may no longer need your 'job' -- but keep it if you like it.

I know many dozed off reading the last paragraph. We (pilots) don't seem to be too interested in making the finances work. We'll borrow thousands of dollars to get a $20,000/yr job. We think we're smart, and perhaps we are in an airplane, but not in the biz world -- this is the reason mgmt 'owns' us.

Don't get trapped with a high-priced education that places you in a position where you're tied to a job controlled by mgmt that's profitting off of you. They love that. You be the mgmt -- if not of a company at least of your own portfolio and assets.

Either get a financial education, or someone else is going to teach it to you the hard way.

Fugawe

 

[pilotyip]

Fugawe, Great post, again dealing with the reality of the job market. Fly because you like to and this is a great job.

 

[frog_flyer]

it may not be safe to get into medicine.... what if we get canuckinized?!

pharmacuticals (sp?) is good, i know pharmacists can make 100k straight out of school. the salary is pretty flat after that.
Pharmacutical sales is good money, but they like people with backgrounds in medicine.

 

[LAMESAUCE]

pattern master,

maybe those kids want to get into a career doing what they enjoy, not merely for the big fat paychecks. i'm guessing you could get a job driving the waambulance. along with all those other posters that whine about people's radio procedures.

 

[Carl_Spackler]

True, the aviation industry ahs changed, but that doesn't mean that it's not a good career. I know that I will proobably never make $365/hr as a 747 CA, but put a few years in at a regional and you can make 70-80K. That's more than the average person and you have more days off. If someone cannot accept that, maybe they should leave the industry.