KHPN advise

[snowbear]

Hi folks

I am looking for some help form those who have gone before. We will be doing mutiple trips to New York City over the next few months. We have only operated from KTEB and KLGA in the past. Is KHPN any easier to operate in and out of than KTEB? More importantly, how is the trip into downtown for our PAX. Is it any quicker than the tunnel from TEB? How about travel costs into the city for the crew? FBO recomendations?

Thanks, from a Canadian friend.

 

[PMVULB AvMgr]

From a traffic perspective, you are much better off with HPN than either TEB or LGA.

LGA obviously has all the airlines you have to fight runway space for, as well as the airport's inherent delays and slot requirements.

TEB over the past few years has grown into one of the busiest airports in the world from a standpoint of bizjet movements. This also translates into delays, especially during morning and afternoon peak times. EWR traffic patterns, as well as LGA, depending on r/w used, also add greatly to delays at TEB. We all know that the airlines get priority (jump seat, ayone?), so TEB suffers. While TEB is the closest airport to midtown NYC, the delays one is subjected to negate any time savings realized driving from/to the airport and NYC.

HPN has very few delays, as it isn't subjected to any of the traffic at the other NY area airports. The only problem with HPN can be fog in the early morning, or low ceilings (elevation of airport). Also, there is a VOLUNTARY curfew at the airport, between 24:00 and 06:30. Drive time from HPN to midtown NYC averages anywhere from 40 minutes to 80 minutes, depending on time of day. The secret is to obtain ground transportation from a company that knows the area very well, and knows how to find all the shortcuts without getting caught up in traffic. The FBO can help you with that.

The best FBO at the airport as far as I'm concerned is Avitat. I've used them for the past 7 years, and they have never failed to provide excellent service during that entire time. Many of their employees have been there for a very long time. The owner believes in paying for quality people, and gives them the best tools available to properly do their jobs. Gee, what a novel approach to conducting business! How do you argue with that?

Good luck.

 

[Flying Illini]

Also, there is a VOLUNTARY curfew at the airport, between 24:00 and 06:30.

Once you try HPN, you won't want to go back to TEB.
We had to leave out of HPN at about 1:30am local time due to unavoidable circumstances and a few days later we recieved a nasty gram in the mail. It reiterated the times when the VOLUNTARY curfew is in effect. If they are going to get on your case, why not just make it mandatory. You shouldn't be admonished b/c you didn't participate in something that is voluntary.
-end rant-

Anyway, HPN is great, much better than TEB as far as traffic flow. Once you've been stuck in the afternoon push for 3.5 hrs, the extra few minutes it takes for your pax to drive to HPN is pretty insignificant.

 

[joeg252]

Try KFRG out on the island, easier to get in and out of, especially during the northeast corridor rush hours.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Try KFRG out on the island, easier to get in and out of, especially during the northeast corridor rush hours.

and your pax will really enjoy the drive from Manhatten!!

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[rice]

and your pax will really enjoy the drive from Manhatten!!

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Hey man, what are you trying to say???? That LI traffic SUCKS!!!!!!!

 

[CarjCapt]

Be careful of Class "B" airspace around KHPN....the base is 3000' out there

 

[Rythm3]

The only thing that I know about HPN, is that Signature there is the worst.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Hey man, what are you trying to say???? That LI traffic SUCKS!!!!!!!

nah...nothing like the quick moving LIE!!

and the taxes?..I hear taxes are cheap our on the "eye-land"..

.

 

[joeg252]

Oh, if you go to FRG,stay away from LI Jet Center. It's a giant cluster F**ck over there, use Atlantic Aviation, awesome service!

 

[G4G5]

I prefer Avitat at HPN. It's away from the busy main terminal, customs is based there and it's easy to get onto any of the highways that lead to the city.

 

[OPECJet]

Just pray to God Almighty you don't have to ride in the back of an airliner out of that He!!hole. I've never waited less than 30 minutes for a gate there. On time arrivals and departures are non-existant thanks to the NIMBY's who won't allow more than 6 gates, and X amount of square footage in the passenger terminal. It makes 2 out of the 6 unusable causing backups on various ramps and taxiways. Also provokes the obligatory calls from NetJets (I think..) to move that thing off their ramp. I can hardly blame them either.

I hope its better for you corporate guys.

 

[GVFlyer]

I like HPN better than TEB because White Plains lies outside of the New York Severe Weather Action Plan area so delays are less when the wx is bad. I also like that I always have precision approach guidance available when I land at HPN as opposed to TEB's ILS Rwy 06 - be sure to cross Dandy at 1500 - circle to land- pylon around the towers - Rwy 01 Approach or the ubiquitous VOR A overhead - noise abate the hospital - landing RWY 24 or RWY 19 Circling Approach conducted under marginal VFR conditions.

Jet Aviation at TEB has a great physical fitness facility though...

GV

 

[filejw]

Except from 1500 to 2100 JFK isn't bad either.

 

[laser]

Morristown?

Anybody know the drive time to the NYC from MMU? Stopped thru last week for PAX pickup and it was a much easier operation than TEB. The drawback is that Signature is the only option.

 

[PMVULB AvMgr]

During non-rush hour times the drive to midtown would be a solid hour plus. However the conduits used for getting into NYC (George Washington Bridge, Lincoln & Holland Tunnel) from New Jersey are forever backed up, even during non-rush hour times. I'd definitely stay away from MMU, simply too many road miles between the airport and NYC, with potential problems all along the way.

 

[TimsKeeper]

Not to mention MMU is a nightmare during crummy days as it is usually tied into the Newark arrivals/departures.

Takes forever to get off the ground if there is one or two planes lined up.

 

[dalegribble]

I've gotten swap delays into and out of HPN before. It is much better than TEB though, basically if the center is backed up you will catch delays, airport delays early am -10am and 4-7pm some days. Avitat is who our company uses, pretty good.

 

[aeronautic1]

GVdriver is right

I did a drop at HPN from St Maarten Jan 01 (customs at ILM). It was freezing out... one of the busiest traffic days of the year... no delays into or outta there. EVERY line staff had a big smile on their face and couldn't have been more helpful. Effecient ground transport to our overnight at the Crown Plaza in Westchester and if I were to go the the Big Apple, I would get a ride to Greenwich and take the MTA to Grand Central Station. Having lived in Greenwich in the past, it makes for an easy side trip in.

 

[BluDevAv8r]

and if I were to go the the Big Apple, I would get a ride to Greenwich and take the MTA to Grand Central Station. Having lived in Greenwich in the past, it makes for an easy side trip in.

It is sigificantly longer to go to Greenwich and then take the train to NYC. From HPN (or White Plains downtown), just take an MTA train from the White Plains station. Much shorter drive to the station and much shorter train ride.

-Neal