Kerry Purple Heart Doc Speaks Out

[wingnutt]

Notice that this Navy doctor hasn't said a word about this for 35 years but suddenly he speaks up.

sounds an awful lot like a certain Mr. Clarke who decided to retire first, then "suddenly he speaks up"...dosent it

 

[MarineGrunt]

Whatever dicklips

LMAO. Best post on this thread so far!

 

[wingnutt]

It is well documented that George W. Bush never showed up for National Guard duty for a period of approximately one year, possibly more, in 1972-1973.

im with Marine on this one, i still dont understand what the deal is...

look, i was in the guard for 3 years (after my 5 years of active duty) and, if one were to pull my record, i actually was not there for almost about 8 months of that time.

its very comon for some guys to miss lots of guard time for a plethora of reasons, be it family, job related, or whatever. its nothing new and happens in practically every guard unit around the country. normally the time is made up, but just like in my case they acknowledged that it would be near impossible, and i got out on my original ETS date with an honorable discharge, and no negative action taken...so wheres the story

 

[MarineGrunt]

...so wheres the story

YOU WERE AWOL TOO????

 

[Dubya]

Ok 350....

...I know this is an exercise in futility...but can you please give some factual examples of this country going backwards and how Bush is specifically responsible?

As far as Bush being "awol"....if he had done what Kerry did...you would be ranting about him only serving 4 months and wriggling out of his service. It is funny that Bush's questionable service and lying is somehow so much more serious than Kerry's questionable service and lying.

Are you really going to lump togther everyone who has ever served in our National Guard and Reserve units as having a "comical military record"? That statement alone shows your lack of knowledge and aversion to reasonable argument and disagreement. It is absolutely fine that you don't like Bush...but seriously...put some thought into your reasons. All I have ever read from you about Bush is the same crap repeated over and over in some form. I guess as long as Kerry actually went to Vietnam, even if just to say he was there...(come on...4 months and he's out...you don't see anything fishy about that?)...and he got a couple of boo boo's...well...he has to be more important than everyone who has ever served in the Guard right? He paid his dues? Wake up and smell the sulfur.

A reasonable, factual argument...c'mon...I know you can do it.


W

 

[wingnutt]

YOU WERE AWOL TOO?

lol...yea, thats it. nevermind that my job required me in international waters

...its kind of hard to pull guard when your about 15 hours (by boat) from the nearest piece of dirt, and over 2,000 miles to my guard unit once i do get to that particular dirt

guess i better never run for any political office, huh

 

[asacap]

There is actually lots of evidence of GW being AWOL. Also, Kerry served 2 tours, not 4 months. His record is available at johnkerry.com if you wish to see it. As far as being an airline pilot is concerned, which candadite do you think is pro-labor? Who do you think ALPA supports?

 

[Dubya]

So lets see the evidence of AWOL..

4 months...just like I said....Dec. to March on the gunboat. The service on the Griddly previous...was not a "tour"....neither was his 4 whole months on the gunboat. His wounds were scrapes at best....the truth comes out from those he served with. It should send a big smoke signal up that those he served with and most Vets can't stand the man. He served only to serve himself.

W

 

[ShawnC]

Re: Bush AWOL

Sheesh, even the NY Times thinks he completed his duty:

Until his fifth year of National Guard duty, there is no question about his service.
The Globe says those who served with Mr. Bush regarded him as a top pilot and that he spent more time on active duty than was minimally required for reservists.
In the first four years of of his six-year commitment, he spent the equivalent of 21 months on duty.

In May of 1972, George W. Bush moved to Alabama to help in a U.S. Senate campaign and requested permission to serve in a unit in that state.
His superiors, however, later said they did not approve of that unit because it didn't do much.
There were no drills or exercises.
The unit's commander told the Boston Globe that it had no airplanes and essentially met one weeknight per month.
The Globe says that months apparently went by without resolution to Mr. Bush's status and, therefore, no guard duty.
Technically, without new orders, he was still a part of his unit in Texas, but he was living in Alabama.
Mr. Bush was eventually assigned to a unit in Montgomery.
One of the superior officers there told the Globe he could not remember George Bush serving there. But in 2004, he told reporters that he never intended for that statement to mean that Bus hadn't served. He was simply saying he didn't recall his being there..
During that time, Bush failed to take his annual pilot's physical examination and was removed from flight status.
A Bush spokesman told the Globe that Mr. Bush does recall doing some duty in Alabama.
On another occasion, a representative for the president said that Bush made up for any time that was lost by participating in other drills.
But his service records show about a year in which there is no report of duty.

From May to July of 1973, the records show that Mr. Bush did log 36 days of active duty. He was granted an honorable discharge in October of 1973.

The New York Times looked into the allegations in 2002 and concluded that the time Mr. Bush missed had been made up satisfactorily and that his records showed his having performed all the required service.

From this site:
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/b/bush-desert.htm

 

[Dubya]

So what the hell is the issue?

quote:
"Until his fifth year of National Guard duty, there is no question about his service."

5 years...and then he decides he wants to do something else. Big friggen deal. You people are grasping at straws. Awol shmawol. 5 years of service....and for all you liberal wackos...if the NY Times reports it...it must be.

W

 

[flint4xx]

I see some on this board think that serving in the Guard or Reserves is less honorable than active duty.

Well after a few minutes of research I found the following:

John F. Kennedy
Despite having a bad back, Kennedy was able to join the U.S. Navy through the help of Captain Alan Kirk, the Director, Office of Naval Intelligence (ONI) who had been the Naval Attache in London when Joseph Kennedy was the Ambassador. In October 1941, Kennedy was appointed an Ensign in the U.S. Naval Reserve and joined the staff of the Office of Naval Intelligence.


BOYINGTON, GREGORY
Rank and organization: Major, U.S. Marine Corps Reserve , Marine Squadron 214.

Jimmy Doolittle
Born on December 14, 1896, in Alameda, California, Doolittle grew up there and in Nome, Alaska. In October 1917 he enlisted in the army reserve . Assigned to the Signal Corps, he served as a flying instructor during World War I


Senator Robert Kerrey (not the guy running for President)
Rank and organization: Lieutenant, Junior Grade, U.S. Naval Reserve , Sea, Air, and Land Team (SEAL). Place and date: Near Nha Trang Bay , Republic of Vietnam , 14 March 1969


FURTHERMORE, Boyington, Doolittle, and Kerry each recieved the MEDAL OF HONOR. There are many more examples.

Don't you feel STUPID now?

 

[sqwkvfr]

You cannot sit back and attack a man who actually served in a war

....Actually, I can. My "candidate" is not from some poorly organized politcial party that is having trouble defining both itself and it's candidate.........he's the president. His skills as a commander in chief are proven......John Kerry's are not......and this is why I get to question his record, character and truthfulness to help us determine whether the man deserves a shot at the presidency.

Well, John Kerry's character is non-existant...he takes a position on whatever issue seems to be popular or politically expedient. When asked about his questionable activities, the man can't give a straight answer and blames the "right wing attack machine" for bringing it up....not to mention, he lied to Peter Jennings about something that he should just "man up" and admit....so his truthfulness has been demonstrated as being questionable. This move us on to John Kerry's record, and I gotta say, if his voting record is indicitive of how he would run this county as president, we need to keep this "hipster doofus" as far away from the White House as possible.

How long do you think that the Democrats can deflect critcism of a far left-wing candidate by saying that "he's a war hero and you have no right to question him?" I have every right to question this idiot........I have.......and I don't like anything that I see.

 

[MW44]

I find it interesting that Disney is trying to sink the new movie by Michael Moore before it comes out. Apparently it documents the close relationship between the bush family and the Saudi royalty that has existed for years. Could this be potentially devestating to Bush? The truth hurts...

 

[sqwkvfr]

Re: So lets see the evidence of AWOL..

4 months...just like I said....Dec. to March on the gunboat. The service on the Griddly previous...was not a "tour"....neither was his 4 whole months on the gunboat. His wounds were scrapes at best....the truth comes out from those he served with. It should send a big smoke signal up that those he served with and most Vets can't stand the man. He served only to serve himself.

W

It should also send up a big smoke signal that what John Kerry doesn't say is more important than what he does say.

This is the exact reason that his facts must checked every time he opens his mouth.

 

[sqwkvfr]

I find it interesting that Disney is trying to sink the new movie by Michael Moore before it comes out. Apparently it documents the close relationship between the bush family and the Saudi royalty that has existed for years. Could this be potentially devestating to Bush? The truth hurts...

TRUTH????!!!!???

You Michael Moore disciples need to read up on your man. His "documentaries" are chock full of half-truths and lies...in fact, the Academy is wrestling with the notion of revoking his Oscar because it turns out that his "documentaries" are not documentaries at all.

In "Bowling for Columbine," Michael Moore once again puts distortions and contradictions before the truth

Please take the time to actually read this and click on the links to all of the other distortions in Moore's other "documentaries."

Disney isn't trying to "sink" anything. There's no red cross on the front of Disney's headquarters and they don't "have to" finance Moore's film because not doing so would be censorship....it's not. Disney made a smart move.....they chose not to distribute Moore's film because they're trying to limit their culpability in this certain to be slanderous "documentary."

Michael Moore had his run, and it was fun while it lasted (the guy even had me fooled...........in high school) but his credibility is gone and his 15 minutes are over.

 

[ShawnC]

I see some on this board think that serving in the Guard or Reserves is less honorable than active duty.
Don't you feel STUPID now?

During WWII it was common for most Officers to be Reserve. It had to do with making it easier for the military to release them at the end of the war. In fact during WWII with the AVG one of the reasons most of them wouldn't accept appointment with the AAF, because they weren't being offered appointment in the full Army, not just the reserves.

 

[bart]

I find it interesting that Disney is trying to sink the new movie by Michael Moore before it comes out. (snip) The truth hurts...

I would bet Disney has seen it for what it is, which is a big fat lie. They are probably very concerned about libel and slander. The guy is a walking liability for anyone that publishes his tripe.

Micheael Moore is another liberal opportunist that plays fast and loose with lies to achieve an emotional reaction from his audience.

The guy is a well documented liar that commits the very acts he so strongly condemns (outsourcing) in his opinion pieces. Kind of like Clinton warbling about family values while he is getting blown by an employee.

 

[FN FAL]

I find it interesting that Disney is trying to sink the new movie by Michael Moore before it comes out.

...Michael Moore is a fat lying communist bastard...I spose it's also a Republican plot against him that he is too freaking fat to get on the rides at Dinny Land as well.

 

[sqwkvfr]

FN FAL

Dude, your avatar just kills me.

 

[cynic]

Every one of them lies. Its a class war dopes. The rich want to get richer.

Bush = spoiled rich kid
Kerry = spoiled rich kid
Osama = spoiled rich kid

Need I go on? I think the spoiled rich kids should go kill each other instead of recruiting brain dead disciples to die for their causes.

Do you REALLY believe that Billy Bob in Iraq, Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan really gives a flying hoot about the US? Do you care what they are doing?

Wake up; it’s not Kerry Vs. Bush. It’s the politicians vs. you. They take your money and buy guns so you can die for their power struggles and their wealth.

If you want to serve humanity join the Red Cross.

 

[FN FAL]

If you want to serve humanity...

I want to serve humanity...but until the health department changes their 'tude...chicken, beef and fish is all that will be on the MENu for now!

 

[Tim47SIP]

350 shows his A$$!

I was wondering when you would bring your worthless $.02 back onto this board. I think a few care about this man going awol, sometimes the truth hurts smuck doesn't it?

Dood, that smuck would in fact be you. I can not remember one comment you have made in relation to this subject that has had any factual data. IF Bush was AWOL as you indicate, and he was AWOL for more than 30 days, then what does that make him? It makes him something that can not be covered up. It is called a deserter. But since you are an expert on the term AWOL, please let us know where you got your military law experience from. Please do not show exerpts from CNN or MSNBC etc.

ASACAP
There is actually lots of evidence of GW being AWOL. Also, Kerry served 2 tours, not 4 months. His record is available at johnkerry.com if you wish to see it.


Join 350 in supporting that evidence. You have been told over and over again by Gaurd members that are doing the EXACT same thing and that the Guard is set up to do EXACTLY this same thing, but you still spout the party line. You want us to go to Skerrys own web site? Thats like getting all of our info about ALPA from the RJDC website. He served 4 months in Nam. I guess he ment to say "2 tours of 2 months each".

As far as being an airline pilot is concerned, which candadite do you think is pro-labor? Who do you think ALPA supports?

Who cares? It is the country you need to worry about, not what ALPA thinks. Look how far supporting ALPA has gotten this industry. If you don't like Bush, then vote for Kerry, but dont vote for Kerry because you think he is going to help your pocket book.

Wingnut
im with Marine on this one, i still dont understand what the deal is...

It is because that is ALL they have. Skerrys record will come back to haunt him. You can only lie so much before you get in a real jam.

 

[sqwkvfr]

For all of you Bush-haters, check out what the BASTARD did now!

 

[sqwkvfr]

God, what an idiot!

"HIPSTER DUFUS" goes after 'metrosexual' vote.

 

[wingnutt]

did anyone else notice the training wheels

 

[ShawnC]

did anyone else notice the training wheels

Got to love Photoshop. Here is a page with the original.

Here's a great Photoshop for all the mechanized folks.

Edit: Forgot the link. Fixed.

 

[sqwkvfr]

did anyone else notice the training wheels

Uh, I'm sorry about that.....I didn't notice the training wheels, had no idea that they were photshopped on, and would have found the original pic to post if I had known about it.

I was more fixated by the man's choice of apparel and how he looks donning it. I couldn't help but stare....kinda like being fascinated with a car crash.

 

[Pilot124]

ShawnC

That link was f%ck'n hilarious!!

 

[MW44]

Hermann Goering- "Why of course the people don't want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally the common people don't want war; neiter in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."

Sounds a lot like the playbook that the Bush team is using.

Bart-
Disney is afraid of losing their tax cuts because the movie is very damaging to Bush. Supposedly the movie exposes his family's numerous business dealings with Saudi royalty as well as Osama Bin Laden's family! These are the same people who represent the extreme form of Islam known as Wahhabi which regards the Us and Israel as mortal enemies. Now that wouldn't look good if it became widly known that James Baker and the Bush clan have personally profitted from dealings with these characters.


Fifteen of the 19 hijackers were Saudi and we decide to invade Iraq? Now that it is widely accepted that the WMD intelligence was false they say we went in because Saddam was a brutal dictator. That is true but there are many brutal dictators in the world. I'm definitely not saying we should have invaded Saudi Arabia but the logic to go into Iraq is flawed at best when you compare Iraq to Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia arguably led the world in public beheadings. A plaza in Riyadh is referred to as Chop-Chop square. Guess who Bush smoked a Cohiba with on September 13 on the Truman Balcony? None other than Prince Bandar whose family ran Saudi Arabia, the country that ruled with an iron fist and provided the majority of the hijackers for 9/11. Seem strange?

Definitely a lot of info in that movie by the "...communist bastard" which would damage Bush's interests and those of corporations benefitting from his administration.

 

[MW44]

If this involved Clinton's family you guys would be crying for his head on a platter.