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Kerry Purple Heart Doc Speaks Out

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Mr. Irrelevant said:
I'll bite Marine. I wish I had done military service at a much younger age. I don't believe they'd even take me at my age now. Not an excuse but at least I'd have the sack to say I don't want to serve right now as opposed to opting for student deferments or call my father and get into a guard slot as a "volunteer"! It was a cushy slot Marine and you and everyone else on the Repub side knows it. It doesn't mean he isn't a good or bad president. I'm just tired of seeing the GOP blow smoke up our asses about Kerry being such a p-u-s-s-y when their guy "volunteered" for a unit that was clearly set up to give special priveleges to those with connections.

Maybe we should think of the reason behind the lack of volunteers for the services. I doubt anyone here would hold back on volunteering if the world were faced with a WWII situation again. This war on terror is not the same and deserves to be in Afganistan and Pakistan until Osama is toast! It is there obviously but not with the force it could have. Why?? Because we went to Iraq on some BS WMD scare. That's a whole other political quagmire now that I really don't believe Bush nor Kerry has the faintest clue how to handle. And neither do I.


Mr. I.
Cushy job? Dam, I woulda given my right nut and most of the sack to fly F-102s... sure beats poundin the dirt! But anyway, I ain't gonna bust yer balls dude, at least you can back up your statements and don't give me a website for a reference. Shows me your thinkin.

Dubya 2004.

Grunt out.
 
FN FAL said:
terrorism isn't going to be over with just because they caught Saddam and it aint going to be over with when they catch Usama either, the feds figure terrorism and fear of terrorism is a trend that will here for a long time.
uuuh, not sure if you're misunderstanding me or if you are piggy-backing on my statement, but that's where I was going. This war will never end. We will need a lot more troops in the near future, since most of those getting back from the war are getting out. Especally those who were in the sh.t. Come 5 years from now, we'll be hurtin for bodies...
 
uuuh, not sure if you're misunderstanding me or if you are piggy-backing on my statement
I'm agreeing with you. We entered into a new era of threats to national security and global security with terrorist attacks on the USS Cole and 9/11...and it didn't end with the capture of Saddam.
 
350drivel....

....I currently have a very close friend who has just been released by his current guard unit to pursue a career in another state with the possibility of transferring to a different unit closer to where he will be. He served and now he is done. Who gives a flying frogs fat a$$ what he does between now and whenever he reports again.

For you to say Bush is "a complete and total disgrace to the office he currently holds" shows how very little you know of the man, his family, and how quickly you defend someone like Kerry with story after story....personal stories...of how he doesn't give a rats arse about anyone but himself.

You are incapable of intelligent thoughts about anything political.

Shut it.

W
 
dumbya,

I was wondering when you would bring your worthless $.02 back onto this board. I think a few care about this man going awol, sometimes the truth hurts smuck doesn't it?

3 5 0

ps> good luck with your "training":D
 
First of all, John Kerry's war record needs to be examined...for god's sake, the man admitted to commiting war crimes!!

......but now he's backing away from that statement.

He threw someone else's medals over the White House fence. He can't tell us the truth about it, so he makes up lies..

Videotape Contradicts John Kerry’s Own Statements Over Vietnam Medals

The RNC did NOT bring this out....ABC News did after learning that Kerry lied to Peter Jennings........and everyone knows that you don't do that.

You wanna slam Cheney's education deferments? Chew on this.

Does anyone think that if John Kerry had been allowed to defer his military service, that he would've just went anyway?

Also, what kinda "chickenhawk" (I feel so dirty using such a stupid word) would volunteer to go to Vietnam?

You Democrats should be ashamed of your party's leadership. In a time of war, politics must stop at the water's edge. Our troops are counting on our support and your party's efforts to undermine this very important war effort are embolding our ememies and demoralizing our troops and allies.

Are you guys so rabidly angry that you're willing to let troops die and a war on terrorism fall apart simply because you want the White House back? Or is it just that you are having so much "buyers remorse" for this "hipster doofus" of a Democrat presidential nominee that you feel the need to lash out once again at the source of your hate?

3 5 0, I'm sure that if President Bush was reading this thread he'd be very happy that he saved your airline and your job.
 
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You cannot sit back and attack a man who actually served in a war and put his life on the line for this country and saved a few others in the process. You loose all credibility when you swoop to a low level like this when your "pick" has a comical military record at best. Whether you like him or not he surely has paid his dues to this country versus a man who went awol and was given special treatment due to his father. I am not a big Kerry fan at all be he surely will be getting my vote this nov., he is the lesser of the two evils and just like in a horse race you simply pick the better horse. This country is heading in a backwards direction and it is time to make a change for the better.


Like father like son- - - 1 term and home

3 5 0
 
You cannot sit back and attack a man who actually served in a war and put his life on the line for this country and saved a few others in the process.

Why not? The guy is a walking lie. He could end all of this by letting his medical records be reviewed. However, it would end very unfavorably for him, which is why he holds them back.

The guy really is an opportunist, and no hero. He may have in an isolated incident committed a heroic act, but that has certainly not been the tone of his conduct through his life. He has switched positions repeatedly to do the one thing he is effective at: maintaining his grip on power.

The poor democrats are headed for another disaster. The You can count on the Clintons to finish this guy off come the early Fall.

I would be on the lookout for an expose news piece from ABC, NBC, CBS or CNN. You can bet some Clinton hack is already putting the story together and will let it out when it will be most effective.

In the meantime, avoid all the current candidates and vote Libertarian.
 
MW44 said:
Notice that this Navy doctor hasn't said a word about this for 35 years but suddenly he speaks up.

sounds an awful lot like a certain Mr. Clarke who decided to retire first, then "suddenly he speaks up"...dosent it ;)
 
350DRIVER said:
It is well documented that George W. Bush never showed up for National Guard duty for a period of approximately one year, possibly more, in 1972-1973.

im with Marine on this one, i still dont understand what the deal is...

look, i was in the guard for 3 years (after my 5 years of active duty) and, if one were to pull my record, i actually was not there for almost about 8 months of that time.

its very comon for some guys to miss lots of guard time for a plethora of reasons, be it family, job related, or whatever. its nothing new and happens in practically every guard unit around the country. normally the time is made up, but just like in my case they acknowledged that it would be near impossible, and i got out on my original ETS date with an honorable discharge, and no negative action taken...so wheres the story :confused:
 
Ok 350....

...I know this is an exercise in futility...but can you please give some factual examples of this country going backwards and how Bush is specifically responsible?

As far as Bush being "awol"....if he had done what Kerry did...you would be ranting about him only serving 4 months and wriggling out of his service. It is funny that Bush's questionable service and lying is somehow so much more serious than Kerry's questionable service and lying.

Are you really going to lump togther everyone who has ever served in our National Guard and Reserve units as having a "comical military record"? That statement alone shows your lack of knowledge and aversion to reasonable argument and disagreement. It is absolutely fine that you don't like Bush...but seriously...put some thought into your reasons. All I have ever read from you about Bush is the same crap repeated over and over in some form. I guess as long as Kerry actually went to Vietnam, even if just to say he was there...(come on...4 months and he's out...you don't see anything fishy about that?)...and he got a couple of boo boo's...well...he has to be more important than everyone who has ever served in the Guard right? He paid his dues? Wake up and smell the sulfur.

A reasonable, factual argument...c'mon...I know you can do it.


W
 
MarineGrunt said:
YOU WERE AWOL TOO?

lol...yea, thats it. nevermind that my job required me in international waters ;)

...its kind of hard to pull guard when your about 15 hours (by boat) from the nearest piece of dirt, and over 2,000 miles to my guard unit once i do get to that particular dirt :D

guess i better never run for any political office, huh :rolleyes:
 
There is actually lots of evidence of GW being AWOL. Also, Kerry served 2 tours, not 4 months. His record is available at johnkerry.com if you wish to see it. As far as being an airline pilot is concerned, which candadite do you think is pro-labor? Who do you think ALPA supports?
 
So lets see the evidence of AWOL..

4 months...just like I said....Dec. to March on the gunboat. The service on the Griddly previous...was not a "tour"....neither was his 4 whole months on the gunboat. His wounds were scrapes at best....the truth comes out from those he served with. It should send a big smoke signal up that those he served with and most Vets can't stand the man. He served only to serve himself.

W
 
Re: Bush AWOL

Sheesh, even the NY Times thinks he completed his duty:
Until his fifth year of National Guard duty, there is no question about his service.
The Globe says those who served with Mr. Bush regarded him as a top pilot and that he spent more time on active duty than was minimally required for reservists.
In the first four years of of his six-year commitment, he spent the equivalent of 21 months on duty.

In May of 1972, George W. Bush moved to Alabama to help in a U.S. Senate campaign and requested permission to serve in a unit in that state.
His superiors, however, later said they did not approve of that unit because it didn't do much.
There were no drills or exercises.
The unit's commander told the Boston Globe that it had no airplanes and essentially met one weeknight per month.
The Globe says that months apparently went by without resolution to Mr. Bush's status and, therefore, no guard duty.
Technically, without new orders, he was still a part of his unit in Texas, but he was living in Alabama.
Mr. Bush was eventually assigned to a unit in Montgomery.
One of the superior officers there told the Globe he could not remember George Bush serving there. But in 2004, he told reporters that he never intended for that statement to mean that Bus hadn't served. He was simply saying he didn't recall his being there..
During that time, Bush failed to take his annual pilot's physical examination and was removed from flight status.
A Bush spokesman told the Globe that Mr. Bush does recall doing some duty in Alabama.
On another occasion, a representative for the president said that Bush made up for any time that was lost by participating in other drills.
But his service records show about a year in which there is no report of duty.

From May to July of 1973, the records show that Mr. Bush did log 36 days of active duty. He was granted an honorable discharge in October of 1973.

The New York Times looked into the allegations in 2002 and concluded that the time Mr. Bush missed had been made up satisfactorily and that his records showed his having performed all the required service.

From this site:
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/b/bush-desert.htm
 
So what the hell is the issue?

quote:
"Until his fifth year of National Guard duty, there is no question about his service."

5 years...and then he decides he wants to do something else. Big friggen deal. You people are grasping at straws. Awol shmawol. 5 years of service....and for all you liberal wackos...if the NY Times reports it...it must be.

W
 

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