Kerry Gets The Support of

[bart]

The International Community.

Seeing a weakened US as a good thing, the world has thrown their support behind John Kerry. Reports say that among Isamic Extremists, Kerry leads Bush 70 to 1. Abin Rahid Al Abadleeh said: "I like Kerry, I do not have to worry about the US military killing me, which leaves me to plan my next terrorist attack in peace".

France, Germany and Russia are solidly behind Kerry. One unnamed minister stated: "We have seen a dramatic loss of sales of weapons to despots in the last year. Kerry in the White House would be a boon to our arms industries."

Though Democrats are working hard to give foreigners the right to vote in the US, it seems unlikely they will succeed prior to November, leaving it up to Americans to pick their next President. When asked about this, Al Abadleeh said "I only can hope Americans will keep me in mind when they vote this Fall...".

 

[THE Flying Ace]

He's not getting my support!

 

[Big Duke Six]

That's great Bart! That puts it all in perspective for those who couldn't see it before.

 

[Dep676]

The International Community.
Though Democrats are working hard to give foreigners the right to vote in the US, it seems unlikely they will succeed prior to November, leaving it up to Americans to pick their next President. When asked about this, Al Abadleeh said "I only can hope Americans will keep me in mind when they vote this Fall...".

Keep him in mind. That will not be hard. Just remember what he wants to do and want his brothers did us.

 

[Tim47SIP]

Not Mine!

The military (other than a very small minority) hates him. He is a lier, cheat, fraud, and whatever else you want to call him. Ethical and moral are not in his language. War hero, my A$$. Traitor is a better word. He is one of the main causes of why our military was in the condition it was in after 911 and why our covert intelligence was slashed by over 75% during the Clinton years. He voted for NAFTA, China's favored nation, Etc., and now states it is all Bushes fault that the jobs are leaving the country. He now wants to rais the min wage, what the heck will that do to outsoursing of jobs. The guy is a real peach!

 

[mar]

I don't know what you're worried about

To the Repubs:

Chill out.

Bush has amassed the largest ever (EVER!) amount of campaign funding. That fact alone (as history has proven over and over again) almost *guarantees* his win in November.

Why all the hissing and arched backs and raised fur? Maybe it shows some uncertainty? Some lack of confidence? I don't know.

Maybe you guys just get off on chest thumping?

Very well. Carry on.

 

[Singlecoil]

You couldn't have said it better, Mar.


No one is going to convince anyone on these boards to change candidates. Luckily the electorate doesn't see things so black and white as the posters around here.

 

[AFpimp]

There are more military members that are pissed at Bush than you think. Yes, traditionally the military leans toward the right.

However, Bush will not get the amount of military support that he did last time.

For example, my brother was called up from a 4 year stint in the ready reserve. He had not put a pair of boots on in 4 years. Now he is serving honorably but is not real happy about it after being there for 10 months. I bet his wife, and 5 month old baby are not happy about it either.

My Bro voted for Bush but will not be voting for him again. I can't blame him.

Bush will lose a tremendous amount of votes from the military this time and that will trickle down to their families as well.

My guess is the military vote will be close to 50/50 which is a huge net loss for the right wingers.

 

[ShawnC]

Re: I don't know what you're worried about

To the Repubs:
...Bush has amassed the largest ever (EVER!) amount of campaign funding. That fact alone (as history has proven over and over again) almost *guarantees* his win in November....

That's great, but how much have the Pro-Bush PACs got? Not nearly as much, a Pro-Dem PAC raised somewhere around $40 million and is now starting to run anti-Bush ads. What they wanted to play during the Superbowl was rather a lowkey ad, these ads are down right attack, on the same level as Goldwater's nuclear explosion ads (yes I know he was GOP, but it's along the same strain).

 

[46Driver]

There are more military members that are pissed at Bush than you think. Yes, traditionally the military leans toward the right.

However, Bush will not get the amount of military support that he did last time.

For example, my brother was called up from a 4 year stint in the ready reserve. He had not put a pair of boots on in 4 years. Now he is serving honorably but is not real happy about it after being there for 10 months. I bet his wife, and 5 month old baby are not happy about it either.

My Bro voted for Bush but will not be voting for him again. I can't blame him.

Bush will lose a tremendous amount of votes from the military this time and that will trickle down to their families as well.

My guess is the military vote will be close to 50/50 which is a huge net loss for the right wingers.

You are nuts. The military - as usual - will vote overwhelmingly for Bush and the Republicans. As for your brother being called up, that is a factor of the '90s downsizing of the military while at the same time increasing the number of deployments. Bush I began the peace dividend, Clinton accelerated it, and now the reserves are paying the price.

If you want to blame people further, look at the individual services. The Marines have 4 squadrons on 53D's who have never deployed sitting in Hawaii protecting Honolulu from Pearl Harbor II while all 6 Marine Reserve squadrons are called up to go overseas. A lot of these deployments are our own fault within the military.

 

[Chas]

not to be a wet blanket but...

as happened in the gulf war many reservists were upset that they were drawn into the war . Welll guess what? When they signed up they knew that could happen. I guess its OK when they get the military pension and other bennies I do not wanna hear any crying from anyone who signed up ,got benefits and now that they must fullfill the commitment are pissed off. Sorry no sympathy here. Chas

 

[bart]

That is what Reservists are for. I did not like getting called away from a high paying job in the mid 80s to go overseas for a year and a half. But, I had volunteered for the reserve after I got out, and had been paid to train for what I was called up to do.

That being said, I am sorry your brother has been inconvenienced, and I appreciate his efforts. The best i can say to him at this point is work hard to make sure the job is finished, so noone has to return. On my deployment, we worked ourselves out of a job, and a democracy still thrives today from the foundation we laid.

 

[AFpimp]

You missed my point, or I guess I didn't clarify. The Guard and Reservists and a lot of military personnel aren't pissed because they have to serve. They are pissed because they were told Iraq had weapons that could kill us and our families. These were all lies. Why are we fighting in Iraq? To free them? They hate us for the most part. Did you see the news of the soldiers getting rocks thrown at them? I did and it pi$$ed me off.

As for my Brother, he had the opportunity to get out of his duty but chose to serve the year because in his words, "I wanted to set a good example for my kids."

If you think that nobody in the military is questioning why we are in Iraq, then you are mistaken. I still don't have a good reason on why we are there. I know why we went there in the first place.

Somebody answer this please. Why is the war in Iraq called the "war on terror?" The war on terror is being fought in Afghanistan. Does anybody else see that the Bush administration is clearly playing on your fears of terrorism and trying to rectify his mistake of invading Iraq? The war in Iraq was undertaken to rid them of WMD's. The war on terror continues, but it's not in Iraq.

You don't have to like it, but it is true. Bush will not get nearly as many votes from the military this time. For whatever reason you may come up with, he just does not have the same support.


By the way, you can pick apart any of my opinions, but don't you ever question any guardsman's commitment to serving. I don't agree with GWB on most issues, but he is the President. If I was ordered to attack Nebraska I would do so and give my life without pause because I have taken an oath to do it. Do not question our patriotism or willingness to serve. Especially you pu$$y civilians with big mouths on this board that will never know what it's like to give yourself to your country. When I look in the mirror before I go to work, I see the stars and bars on my shoulder and it means more to me than you could ever imagine. Don't patronize me with your "that's what reservists do." No $hit dumb ass!. Crawl back into your hole and read your Limbaugh Newsletter so I can have a laugh at your posts tomorrow.

 

[bart]

The war on terror is in fact being fought in Iraq, only on a much different level than in Afghanistan. It is a war that CPT Liddell Hart would most definitely approve, because in many ways, the ultimate enemies of the US have been heaped upon the horns of a dillemma. The fact is that the US demonstrated to the dysfunctional governments of the world that we will take them out if they support terrorism.

Iraq has long been a sponsor of terrorism and has direct links of funding and equipping terrorist groups. Since our occupation of Iraq, Syria, Iran and Egypt have been much less active in supporting terrorism, and Khadaffi voluntarily gave up his nuclear program. I know many of you believe that these things are happening because all those regimes are just good people and want to do the right thing, however I believe it is for the simple fact that there is a highly mobile, well equipped, well trained and very deadly armored force within hours of their homes, commanded by a man that has demonstrated he will use that force if it suits US interests.

It has long been known that governments have used terrorism as a way of pursuing war aims, with only the threat of policing the actual operatives. It made terrorism a very low risk way to carry out war against adversaries that had open (read free) societies. Our actions in Iraq have made it clear that the US will not discriminate between those pulling the trigger and those that bought the rifle for the gunman.

I spent some time dealing with terrorists of a little different nature, and my experience taught me that when you begin killing and taking power from those that fund the terrorists (I would just call them the ones in the food chain with something to lose), the terrorists are no longer a problem.

So I and everyone that I know either still in the military or out supports the actions this country has taken since 9/11 100% in terms of foreign policy. I believe personally that the President has taken bold action, put the US first where it counts, and has gone a long way toward putting the fear of the bayonet into the hearts of despots worldwide. That fear and that fear alone is what will change the face of state sponsored terrorism.

 

[Chas]

you are missing the point

anyone who takes a job with risk or performs a "dirty" task knowing its part of the job has to understand . You as a military man should know more than anyone that following orders whether palitable or not is part of the job . I being non military but working for a paramilitary organization know that questioning or publicly showing displeasure with an order is wrong. Whether it come from a line officer or The commander in chief .
I figured eventually you would fall back on the:
"Especially you pu$$y civilians with big mouths on this board that will never know what it's like to give yourself to your country." bull crap.
BTW Those "pu$$y" civilians that you refer to have been backing our troops all the way . .
If Al Qaeda or "the enemy" could read this they would begin rolling on the ground laughing . All the while living in caves but never whispering complaints . Some of those low lives even gave up their miserable lives to kill us and themselves in the process without even a peep.
Chas

 

[Typhoon1244]

Re: you are missing the point

I being non military but working for a paramilitary organization know that questioning or publicly showing displeasure with an order is wrong.

Just out of curiosity, would you elaborate on the "paramilitary organization" you work for? Civil Air Patrol? Sheriff's office?

 

[Chas]

Paid Law enforcement Position

not auxiliary police , reserve police, CAP , boy scout .Someone who is in the position of working around the clock, in all types of weather ,seen all types of good and bad things people do to each other and have used my firearm to defend myself successfully. Obviously lived to tell about it .Maybe not a soldier but I feel I have some say in this discussion.So let the salvo fly I am expecting it.

 

[350DRIVER]

Just out of curiosity, would you elaborate on the "paramilitary organization" you work for? Civil Air Patrol? Sheriff's office?

Typhoon, he did beat out thousands to land this pilot position though Go figure- I forgot the post that he mentioned this but it was pretty comical to say the least

3 5 0

 

[Typhoon1244]

Re: Paid Law enforcement Position

Maybe not a soldier but I can speak on the subject so let the salvo fly I am expecting it.

No salvo from me I was just wondering what kind of experience you were speaking from thats all it makes it easier to gauge the value of the opinion I didn't mean to imply anything

By the way have you found your punctuation keys yet

 

[Chas]

350 driver

You are such a moron let me say this again I competed with 10,000 other candidates to get my current job .The one I can retire from in 5 months.The one that pays me more than you can dream about making and with 1/2 pay for life when I retire a$$hole . So get it through that thick skull you moron . If you don t believe it meet me somewhere with your W-2 and I will put $100 on it otherwise have a cup of shut the f#$k up ! Chas