Kenn Ricci Wants to Bring Back SFO Program

[FLSTCI]

Man, I feel so badly for those of my friends who are still at Options and having to deal with this nonsense. I am so glad I left there and wouldn't go back if it were the last flying job on earth!

 

[jetwash]

Excerpts from Management by Trust by Kenn Ricci. Bold text = Emphasis added

SFO program.


“Next came an interview with a team of Senior Flight Officers (a jury of their peers, so to speak) as well as the candidate’s immediate supervisor and one member of upper management.…

A Jury of their Peers !!!!!!

So it looks like the IBT 1108 will have half of the representatives on the board to decide who becomes a SFO.

Thats good.

Some of the requirements should be:

1. Member in good standing
2. Dues paid in full from Day One
3. being a volunteer on one of the union committees.
4.flying a safe aircraft and not carrying write ups
5. being recommended by a member of the MEC
6. NO SFO program until all the furloughed pilots are brought back to work.

Those are only a few on the requirements I have when it comes to the SFO program.

 

[skanza]

Hey now....

Unless he's going to hire and have a bunch of pilots trained prior to doing so, this will be way more than a one day shutdown. Even if he goes this route, the newly hired pilots will have to undergo IOE and most of the current Check Airmen will not do IOE's with these replacements knowing that FLOPS pilots are on the street....not to mention that the line pilots will start grounding airplanes as soon as word of these IOE's spreads.

Otherwise, if Ricci thinks that FLOPS' current pilot group will just go along with a shutdown, name change and continue as if nothing happened the next day, he's got a big surprise coming....the least of which being pissed off owners due to the ensuing mass of write-ups and sick calls.

But...but I thought you only wrote up broken airplanes. Does this mean your preflight details change to track the feelings of the Union?
I think you pretty much admitted that here...

 

[ProFracPilot]

But...but I thought you only wrote up broken airplanes. Does this mean your preflight details change to track the feelings of the Union?
I think you pretty much admitted that here...

Wouldn't have to be write ups, Skumza. We're required to meet FAR Part 67 requirements for fitness at all times. Right now, the Swine Flu is reaching pandemic proportions and it might not go away for quite some time.

Sure hope I don't catch that stuff. Especially if I'm on duty.

 

[waka]

But...but I thought you only wrote up broken airplanes. Does this mean your preflight details change to track the feelings of the Union?
I think you pretty much admitted that here...

Nope, you're wrong again. I know that you like to make straw man arguments because your position is so weak. A. I didn't say anything about the feelings of any unions. Besides, the 1108 has never/would never encourage any write-up campaigns, implicit or otherwise.

Not in this post, not in any post have I ever advocated making false write-ups. I am just saying that, in general, many pissed off pilots tend to not overlook the so-called small stuff that pilots overlook every day in the name of getting the job done. Apparently, you don't fly for a living. Get real.

 

[skanza]

Nope, you're wrong again. I know that you like to make straw man arguments because your position is so weak. A. I didn't say anything about the feelings of any unions. Besides, the 1108 has never/would never encourage any write-up campaigns, implicit or otherwise.

Not in this post, not in any post have I ever advocated making false write-ups. I am just saying that, in general, many pissed off pilots tend to not overlook the so-called small stuff that pilots overlook every day in the name of getting the job done. Apparently, you don't fly for a living. Get real.

No, you get real.
Again, I thought you guys were all about "Safety" and there are no "small things"! "These planes have to be like bran new god-dammit, or I'm not flying." "Remember do nothing illegal for or against the company." And all that horse sh!t. Well I'm sorry, a professional preflights only on way - either over look the "small stuff" or nit-pick the sh!t out of the airplane every time, not depending on how pissed off you are. Ever had human factors training?

Apparently you don't fly for a living either...

 

[skanza]

abuse

Wouldn't have to be write ups, Skumza. We're required to meet FAR Part 67 requirements for fitness at all times. Right now, the Swine Flu is reaching pandemic proportions and it might not go away for quite some time.

Sure hope I don't catch that stuff. Especially if I'm on duty.

This is silly. I know, only *you* know if you're fit to fly or not. Its the perfect cover for you - take your stand, make your point, stall the operation. Because nobody will question you. It's a shame that you would abuse that trust in the name of your and the union's own greed. Now that's pro...

 

[waka]

No, you get real.
Again, I thought you guys were all about "Safety" and there are no "small things"! "These planes have to be like bran new god-dammit, or I'm not flying." "Remember do nothing illegal for or against the company." And all that horse sh!t. Well I'm sorry, a professional preflights only on way - either over look the "small stuff" or nit-pick the sh!t out of the airplane every time, not depending on how pissed off you are. Ever had human factors training?

Once again, you talk out of your ass. Do nothing illegal for or against the company, damn right......no inconsistency exists. There is reality and there is a safe little fantasy world. You obviously take ownership of the latter.

Apparently you don't fly for a living either...

You admit you don't.....finally. If you did fly for a living, you'd know full well that any company in the business of flying would not last long if pilots are downing and airplane for, i.e., a placard with questionable readability. See, we professional pilots get paid to exercise discretion and decision making but, you would know nothing about that. The legality of this situation is highly subjective in favor of the pilots. Such a case would never make it to court. However, if it did, the FAA would lose. See the difference? Being that you do not fly for a living (and your feeble mind) probably not.

 

[illinipilot]

Skanza,

We've all been in a position where the answer isn't black and white. Surely you can think of a time when maintance asks the line pilots if they feel comfortable ferrying an aircraft to a maintainance facility, or "something" seems just a little "off", but the pilots decide to finish the day prior to troubleshooting a problem which may have very little to do with the actual safety of flight. Neither answer is the wrong answer. The pilots may feel that they aren't willing to take on additional risk by flying a plane that doesn't seem to be working correctly. Other times the flight crew may feel ok with the decision to continue on to a maintance facility thereby helping the company.

It is important for management and pilots to work in each other's best interest for the good of the company. In this case, if the pilots don't feel as though they are being treated fairly, they may decide to not make an extra flight, or they may decide that the plane shouldn't finish the day (both perfectly acceptable and legal decisions).

The feeling of empowerment of the pilots directly or sometimes even unconsiously, affects the pilot's decesion making process. Speaking for myself, I believe that part of the hiring process was designed to test my decision making skills. It seems that more and more often management teams are taking away the ability of the pilots to make the decisions, some of which they are in the best position to make.

IP

 

[clickclickboom]

When I applied in Writing for the sfo program I received a reply that the SFO program was being discontinued.. That was in 2001/02

 

[Fedmagnet]

Of course it is on the table. It is now one more line item in the economics portion of the negotiations - in favor of the company. If WE don't want the program, then WE'LL have to be willing to negotiate it out. What are WE willing to give up in exchange for taking it off the table? This is just another negotiating tactic, much the same as taking away our 401(k) match and making us negotiate to get it back.

Frack!
Union Leadership should not even allow it to be laid on the table.
What the Frack!

Ricci is just Fracking with the pilots again, still and always.

 

[Fedmagnet]

When I applied in Writing for the sfo program I received a reply that the SFO program was being discontinued.. That was in 2001/02

That is because you did not fit the "PROFILE".

Many pilot were called by PMs like Rhienhold and told verbally that they would not get in and deterd them from continueing to try. At the same time the pilots that fit the "PROFILE "slid right in.

 

[FR8DOG777]

Meet the new boss same as the old boss. For the first time I may have to agree with shanes 123. We're fn f'''''''d. Stockholm syndrome working full effect on leaders. Disconnected with life on the line, whats next your own hawker to fly around to promote a chittty contract? The only thing these f##ckers understand is pain in the form of charter. Yeah boys roll your sleaves up so we can help the company out fn you harder. Both parties could give a chit about people on furlough.

 

[Fedmagnet]

Sfo

So the leadership has allowed it to become part of the forever and ever negociations but requireing the return of "hostages" has been pulled from the same table.

I see that Senority #1 has been pro SFO return and prazing the return of the masia.
"Would the applicant try to perpetuate that environment" check!
willing to "name names" check!
"attend to the slackers" check!
willing to fly broken planes? check, check, check, check, etc!

Ricci is laughing his azz off!

Contract now or shut the lights off.

 

[dime line]

Any version of an SFO program = a no vote for me. I dont care whats in that contract.

 

[993_Pilot]

Any version of an SFO program = a no vote for me. I dont care whats in that contract.

+1, you're not alone !

 

[hogbody]

Not Again

Heard that K.R. brought up the Senior Flight Officer thing again at wednesday's company meeting. Guess he must really be atached to it.

 

[1folinepilot]

Heard that K.R. brought up the Senior Flight Officer thing again at wednesday's company meeting. Guess he must really be atached to it.

It is a shame that Kenn does not trust his employees to work with him. He doesnt even have the courage to answer the basic questions that were submitted to him by his employees.

 

[ProFracPilot]

Open note to KR

It is a shame that Kenn does not trust his employees to work with him. He doesnt even have the courage to answer the basic questions that were submitted to him by his employees.

Kenn-

You returned last summer to the company you founded amidst great fanfare. The company meeting last July offered hope to a workforce that, overall, had some of the lowest morale of any group I've ever been associated with (thank you, sh!tfinger). Everyone was offered a free copy of "Management by Trust", and encouraged to read it. Your own written words were the basis for much of the renewed hope.

Well Kenn, you and your management team are now rapidly squandering the gains in trust you made with the pilot group since your return. The company meeting was a slap in the face to the pilots. Who, in the past 12 months, has "loved our owners" more? The pilots continue to go to great lengths to assure the insanity of Owners Services and the OCC never makes it to the owners. In addition to performing all the the technical aspects necessary to the safe completion of a flight, WE are the final and last chance customer service filter to assuring a great experience for our passengers. We've been working hard at doing this job well in part because of the bridge of trust that has been built between the pilot group and management. But this bridge is composed of flammable material. It is management's bridge to burn, and we are beginning to see that you have set the kindling in place.

This is folly, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that your HR people failed to give you the "meaty" questions that the pilot group wanted answered at the company meeting. By now you must have heard many, many more questions that should have been asked and answered in front of all the employees, but weren't. You have an opportunity to address these questions now. If for some reason you still haven't seen them, reach out to 1108 leadership. They'll provide you a comprehensive list of questions that we would all like answers to.

Time to step up Kenn. Let's see some Management by Trust.

 

[1folinepilot]

Kenn-

You returned last summer to the company you founded amidst great fanfare. The company meeting last July offered hope to a workforce that, overall, had some of the lowest morale of any group I've ever been associated with (thank you, sh!tfinger). Everyone was offered a free copy of "Management by Trust", and encouraged to read it. Your own written words were the basis for much of the renewed hope.

Well Kenn, you and your management team are now rapidly squandering the gains in trust you made with the pilot group since your return. The company meeting was a slap in the face to the pilots. Who, in the past 12 months, has "loved our owners" more? The pilots continue to go to great lengths to assure the insanity of Owners Services and the OCC never makes it to the owners. In addition to performing all the the technical aspects necessary to the safe completion of a flight, WE are the final and last chance customer service filter to assuring a great experience for our passengers. We've been working hard at doing this job well in part because of the bridge of trust that has been built between the pilot group and management. But this bridge is composed of flammable material. It is management's bridge to burn, and we are beginning to see that you have set the kindling in place.

This is folly, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that your HR people failed to give you the "meaty" questions that the pilot group wanted answered at the company meeting. By now you must have heard many, many more questions that should have been asked and answered in front of all the employees, but weren't. You have an opportunity to address these questions now. If for some reason you still haven't seen them, reach out to 1108 leadership. They'll provide you a comprehensive list of questions that we would all like answers to.

Time to step up Kenn. Let's see some Management by Trust.

The official MGT reply to this letter is,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEVDoL6J_U4