Kelly: SWA costs too high

[dicko]

The 777 pilots are roughly as productive because they generate roughly the same revenue.

Using fares from both airlines' websites:

DELTA
LAX/SYD economy fare ($3740) x 224 seats (wag) = $837,760


YMMV

DAL. LAX - SYD $ 1500. (Jan 5- J) Expedia.

Qantas. LAX -SYD economy fare $ 1450. Qantas site.

You may have to adjust your math

 

[whatitdoing?]

United WAS the place to work about 15 years ago...Don't think it's your turn!!!



Of course they are making money because the PAY sucks! When that comes up, they will not be making enough money!



Did you guys get rid of ALPA? Otherwise it ain't gonna happen, They have their own agenda, not sure what it is but it's not getting higher pay... If someone figures it out, PLEASE let the rest of us know! Remember the Parity Plus 1 years, that's long gone!

Good Luck, My next pay raise is counting on you!
KBB

Well, I don't disagree with you.

 

[GogglesPisano]

DAL. LAX - SYD $ 1500. (Jan 5- J) Expedia.

Qantas. LAX -SYD economy fare $ 1450. Qantas site.

You may have to adjust your math

Good catch. I used next-day fares off Delta.com, not month-out fares from Expedia. Hard to say what percentage of seats are sold at what price.

 

[General Lee]

DAL. LAX - SYD $ 1500. (Jan 5- J) Expedia.

Qantas. LAX -SYD economy fare $ 1450. Qantas site.

You may have to adjust your math

And you will have to raise your fares, obviously, which helps the rest of us. THANKS!



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Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[pilotyip]

and therefore you're saying they need to lower their costs with a cheaper labor contract.... RATHER than the others raise theirs with a better one, right?

How does one go about the raising of fares in an open markets without reducing load factor? The eternal question that has baffled CEO's since 1977. And if everyone raise them, what prevents Skybus, Valuejet, or Freedom airlines from starting up with low fares where they have low labor cost, because everyone is on 1st year buy.

 

[MCDU]

How about charging for bag fees like everyone else?

M

 

[waveflyer]

I'm sorry....what? I was staring at your avatar. You're statement holds true......

What went down, had a chance to go up USAPA.

 

[Dizel8]

As opposed to hoping SWA pilots take a paycut, wouldn't it be better to hope we all get a payraise?

Seems to me, that a 777/747 driver does indeed deserve $300 plus hour, after all, that comes out to about 1-1.5% of the lowest ticket price?

 

[slaquer5]

What goes must come down. Just watch.

M

Is that what you are really wishing for? Who do you work for by the way ,Or are to imbarssased to say ?


I will ask again, who do you work for?

 

[BayBum37ft]

It took SWA management this long to figure this out? At one time USAIR had the highest paid DC-9 captains in the industry and now look at their pay, much more realistic wages.
Carma is a bitch since SWA raped and pillaged ATA Airlines, I look forward to reading of the severe cutbacks coming to SWA in the near future.

Oh Yeah-Southwest Sucks

 

[LeeRoyJenkins]

It took SWA management this long to figure this out? At one time USAIR had the highest paid DC-9 captains in the industry and now look at their pay, much more realistic wages.
Carma is a bitch since SWA raped and pillaged ATA Airlines, I look forward to reading of the severe cutbacks coming to SWA in the near future.

Oh Yeah-Southwest Sucks

Payrates are not what brought down USAir. Futhermore, SWA did not rape and pillage ATA. If anything they kept them on life support a few more years.

Get your facts straight. Oh yeah, this is FI.com. Who needs facts?

 

[Flyer1015]

Lets be honest, productivity can only do so much. Bottom line is still many SWA Captains make over $200k, and that wage is unsustainable long term, considering it's only a 737 and considering todays airline enviornment. One way or another, you folks will have pay cuts forced down your throats.

 

[Flyer1015]

How about charging for bag fees like everyone else?

M

This is a misnomer. To say SWA doesn't charge for bag fees is inaccurate. SWA does charge for bags, it's just reflected on everyone's ticket in the all-inclusive price. Look up a city pairing of your choice, and then compare it to mainlines or Spirit/JetBlue. I guarantee you with 95% chance that SWA will be more expensive.

 

[LeeRoyJenkins]

Lets be honest, productivity can only do so much. Bottom line is still many SWA Captains make over $200k, and that wage is unsustainable long term, considering it's only a 737 and considering todays airline enviornment. One way or another, you folks will have pay cuts forced down your throats.

You just don't get it.

Due to our productivity, SWA pilots fly what 1.2-2 pilots fly at other airlines. If SWA took the AA pilot contract we would have to hire 1000 more pilots. (at least) SWA are paid a lot because we keep the headcount down. Quite a bit. In doing so we are paid more per pilot.

Something that you haters seem to ignore.

 

[jhill]

The "B" scale that us Airtran guys will be under was extremely foolish for SWAPA to support. It will be used against the SW pilots. It is ashame that SWAPA allowed that carrot for management. I posted this on here a year ago, and it will happen as I predicted. My concern fell on deaf ears on the SW side. We shall see.

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