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BUFF Flyer

BUFF Flyer

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I'm starting training with Connie in August. From the Kalitta folks, what can I expect from the training? I have a schedule for the first five weeks of ground school, but nothing for the sim.

I'm excited about flying the whale worldwide. Should be a blast - from one of the biggest AF planes to the biggest commercial--what could be better!
 
You will get a sim schedule during ground school, once they match you up with some other guys. It will be about 15 days or so of sim. Expect to be busy. They will throw things at you at a pretty rapid pace, and if you don't understand something, you will need to speak up pretty quick. It is doable, however.

Good luck.
 
BUFF Flyer said:
I'm excited about flying the whale worldwide. Should be a blast - from one of the biggest AF planes to the biggest commercial--what could be better!
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Ah, yea right. You'll find out soon enough what the real story is working for a scumbag 747 freight outfit.
 
Draginass said:
Ah, yea right. You'll find out soon enough what the real story is working for a scumbag 747 freight outfit.
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Real story, I been here for a few years, I want to know!

Give us a hint, is it a funny one, a scarry one, is it a love story?
 
LR25 said:
Real story, I been here for a few years, I want to know!

Give us a hint, is it a funny one, a scarry one, is it a love story?
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For some, it's a love story, for some it can be a scary story. Sometimes it's a funny story. But for many, it's an ongoing mystery that they can't seem to figure out. Then they get all grumpy and it becomes a sad story. Then they really get mad and it becomes a horror story!

Buff: As far as what could be better; maybe getting a respectable job, like as a piano player in a house of ill-repute.

Welcome aboard.
 
Your sim and oe could come quickly or take awhile. Training is busy right now-newhire, upgrade, and recurrent all going on. the sim is running 20 hours a day right now so it may take awhile to getthrough your class. I would guess about 3 or 4 months til you're on line.
 
we started June 4, some have gone through all the way, one friend did his LOFT today and starts IOE Saturday. he is in the second round of sims, our sim starts Aug 1, three crews. first two sets of crews started a week out of ground and are on IOE now.
 
BUFF,

You get paid training pay (600/wk under the new contract) until you finish OE, even if they leave you sitting at home.

LOFT is Line Oriented Flight Training. It's the sim after your checkride. Not so much an EP sim like the checkride, but more of a normal flight with a few "irregularities" thrown in...
 
BUFF Flyer said:
What does OE consist of? If I'm starting training on Aug 6, how soon til I'm out in the system flying?
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OE is basically line flying under supervision. It is short for IOE or Initial Operating Experience. You spend anywhere from 25 to about 75 hours or so flying with a check airman or designated OE captain. They are basically there to make sure you successfully make the transition from the training environment to the line environment. They usually do a little OJT and get you oriented to the day to day operations.

You could be out on OE in as little as two months from when you start, depending on your seniority and sim schedule. If you are relatively junior, it could be 3 months or more.
 
Turbo
So this is what training timeline boils down to:

5 weeks ground school
some amount of time waiting for sim
3 week of sim training
check in sim (qualified/rated in 747)
LOFT sim
1 month or so of OE training

fully qual out of training - getting MBPG

Is this right?
 
No type for fo's, oe should be about 2 weeks depending on how much time you spend sitting between flights and actually flying. The weekly training pay continues until the line check at the end of oe. If you sit at home for a few months you'll still get paid.
 
BUFF Flyer said:
Guam
Where did you stay during initial trng? I'll be at Extended Stay America. Any idea how it is there?
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I did the same thing and left in a week due to all the fights, yelling, drunks and police activity (wait, that is just a normal trip at K4). If you are on the first floor check your windows, they are often turned around so they can be opened from the outside.

I moved to the Red Roof, cheaper, closer, mostly flight crews and a couple truckers. Walmart, grocery and adult beverages across the street. Stay a month and there is no tax.

Welcome aboard, and hold on tight 'cause you are in for a hell of a ride ;)

-Showtime
 
This has likely been answered before and I am sorry if it is a repeat. Does where you live have an impact on where you fly for Kalitta? I understand that everyone is home-based.

However, if you live on the West Coast, are you more likely to fly Pacific flights vs. Europe/Middle East flights (and vice versa for pilots living on the East Coast)? That said, how often does a pilot living on the West Coast hit Europe and Middle East destinations? I realize that a Kalitta pilot could end up flying to any destination at any time. Just trying to understand how likely you would fly one route vs. another.

Good job on the new TA!
 
You get an SIC Type........
 
BUFF Flyer said:
Guam
Where did you stay during initial trng? I'll be at Extended Stay America. Any idea how it is there?
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Hey Buff,
I stayed at the Candlewood as did about 8 others. I think 4 in our class stayed at the Extended stay.The eventually came to our hotel for the free pizza on wednesdays and studied with us, right Birddog.

On your six, I am not flying the line now, but we asked that question in class and they said about what you asked, a guy living on the east coast is more likely going to start in EWR/JFK, for example, but may actually start anywhere...
 
speedbird1974 said:
Hey Buff,
I stayed at the Candlewood as did about 8 others. I think 4 in our class stayed at the Extended stay.The eventually came to our hotel for the free pizza on wednesdays and studied with us, right Birddog.

On your six, I am not flying the line now, but we asked that question in class and they said about what you asked, a guy living on the east coast is more likely going to start in EWR/JFK, for example, but may actually start anywhere...
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exactly what he said.
 
On your six, I am not flying the line now, but we asked that question in class and they said about what you asked, a guy living on the east coast is more likely going to start in EWR/JFK, for example, but may actually start anywhere...[/quote]


The last few months I have actually been sent to the start of my line...no joke. Sure the line got all screwed up and I did something totally different three days in, but they did send me to the start of my line. The whole Sched. department has been turned upside down (for the better) since MR left.

-Showtime
 
#%&@$! said:
Junkflyer - are you saying no flight pay in OE?

Buff - see ya in class!
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No flight pay for OE.
$600/wk starts on day one of GS and continues uninterrupted until completion of OE (aka successful line check).
Hotel provided during initial simulator, then hotel plus perdiem diring OE.

Also, many battles fought over the company honoring bid lines and the "let's make a deal" program that some parties (on both sides) operate under. That really is a large contributor to lines not being honored, because guys continually get displaced from their lines. Hopefully the new CBA will settle some of that.
You get a line award by virtue of seniority. You should start your line as awarded. If you get an east coast line, you should begin that line. And vice versa. Being junior, you may end up being assigned to a line because you couldn't hold any of your choices.

Anyhow, if a west coast trip needs to be covered, the west coast guys usually get first crack because they're close. Same applies if you're located anywhere else when the need arises.
 
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I stayed at the Extended stay and had no problems, save for two false fire alarms. Not as nice as the Candlewood, but $10/night cheaper, and closer to the school house. It has the added benefit of being east of YIP, so you don't have to worry about traffic in the morning or evening. For the money saved, it is worth the occasional drive to Ann Arbor to scam free food during study.
 
Floyd94 said:
What are your schedules like and what does upgrade time look like?
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Upgrade time is running about 2 year and a few months - lets say 2.25 years. Schedules are brutal - 17 days of work in a row with 13 or 14 (depending on the month) off in a row.
 

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