Just in time for summer. No packs allowed w/huffer @ ASA

[COOPERVANE]

All CRJ Flight Crewmembers​

Purpose:

To notify all pilots to discontinue the use of huffers to operate the packs on the CRJ.

Synopsis:



Maintenance has determined that huffers do not supply enough air to operate the packs

on the CRJ. Using a huffer for pack operation causes the pack to overheat, sending

smoke into the cabin of the aircraft.​

ASA, just trying to make your work experience a little easier every week​

​

 

[Airboss]

Just another reason NOT TO BOARD without a working air cart.

 

[indianboy7]

Just another reason NOT TO BOARD without a working air cart.

Don't your APU's work??

 

[goahead]

It's all the dipshi_t's that turn them on while the huffers on low. When it's on high/engine start they work fine! Once again someone that doesn't understand the system fuks up a great procedure. Okay rant over

C-YA

 

[SpoilerFault]

A huffer overheating the packs...........sounds like a load of horse s*h!t to me!

 

[Tarzan]

No APU or cool air= no fly

 

[paulsalem]

No APU or cool air= no fly

We have this in our POH:

• Note •
During airplane operations when the flight deck and
cabin temperatures are above 30°C (86°F), the air
conditioning system must be operated or low-pressure
ground conditioned air must be supplied to the aircraft.
Conditioned air is required to maintain EICAS and EFIS
display temperatures

No APU, no ground air, not legal to fly.

 

[wms]

It's also been added to the FOM. APU inop with right pack deferred any time, APU or pack inop above 30C and lav inop on flights BLOCKED more than 1.5 hrs. It's in section 4-2.1. It says normally won't be dispatched. To me it's one of those situations where I'll get it to a maint base, but won't fly extended line ops.

 

[ColganCapt]

Ya'll need to come ride on the SAAB out of LGA this summer! We'll try real hard to get that AirCart for ya! And let me get a copy of those POH/FOM's for our future revisions!! Be good! CC

 

[chperplt]

Why after 10 years of operating an aircraft do they just figure this out?

 

[VeeOne]

Why are you guys so up in arms about this- the ground equipment isn't maintained properly anyway and it's liable to run out of gas a quit on you while your hooked up to it.

I've personally watched three rampers mess around with a GPU after it had died trying to restart it and I can see the gas guage at "E" from inside the cockpit. You just have to shake your head at the stupidity......Doesn't reason tell people that it won't run without gas and that someone ought to check the equipment in the mornings to ensure it is ready to go for line operations that day???

 

[atrdriver]

Why after 10 years of operating an aircraft do they just figure this out?

This was always a problem on the CRJ when the huffer was hooked up and idling. But guys that didn't know better would try to run the packs since they saw it hooked up. All they had to do was tell the rampers to run it on High and they will supply the packs fine.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Big deal. We had this memo 4 years ago because some numbnuts smoked up a cabin the same way. It lasted two months before ASA realized that none of the APUs or LP air carts worked, and too many pilots were refusing airplanes. Then the memo changed to only run the packs with the huffer on high. Duh...

Just refuse the airplane if it's too hot and be done with it.

 

[PCL_128]

Just refuse the airplane if it's too hot and be done with it.

Bingo!!!

 

[Sinca3]

Just refuse the airplane if it's too hot and be done with it.

Too bad 99% of the pilots are to big a pu$$y to refuse an airplane. Then the ones that aren't will be called out for refusing an airplane.
Kind of like this whole contract negotiations stuff......We work together we get things accomplished, and at a faster pace. As we have seen for almost 5 yrs ASA pilots are a bunch of whinny pansies that don't have the fortitude to take a little short term pain for long term gain!
End of rant

 

[LearLove]

If I remember correctly - The reason we (MDA and Rep) couldn't/can't use the packs with the huffer was that the air isn't filtered (from the huffer) and would supply the packs with dirty, slightly oil tainted air - thus that dirty air get into the cabin - not good.

 

[bertengineer]

If the APU is deferred, we have to hand out cold soaked towels at the gate if the oputside air temp is above a certain temp. This is in the FOM. No kidding. It was not that way until the CEO was sitting in the back and sweating his balls off!

 

[ACL65PILOT]

I have to say that it is nice that my new airline does not run that way. We will have ground power and air all day long.....
There are certain things that I will not miss. This is one of them.

 

[goahead]

I have to say that it is nice that my new airline does not run that way. We will have ground power and air all day long.....
There are certain things that I will not miss. This is one of them.

Oh your so cool, and its not your job until you've passed training, but yes I wouldn't miss that either.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Heck, I will not be truly hired until probation is over, but it is worth the risk.