JUST IN.....PSA pilots vote down TA agreement 900 payrates

[BoilerUP]

Hear hear!

I don't care what wiki says, if it ain't made in Kentucky, it ain't bourbon.

 

[JohnnyP]

wait a minute...

Jack Daniels Single Barrel. Never has a smoother bourbon been made!

What about Dark Eyes, or Old Crow. All makes ya feel the same. Nothing wrong with a plastic jug.

Now where did I put that box of wine?

 

[whatfuelpolicy]

PSA is getting the 900's ...20 to come with 20 more on backorder. I'll take a large fry and a milkshake too...they finally woke up and smelled the Union.

Where did you get this info? No announcement has been made, so please state your source.

 

[LandRoverNut]

I will fly the 900's for F100 Rates and a flow thru to main line if they ever get any Growth airplanes. Just heard 3 more 75's going back to leasers with no replacements in sit. DP said we are looking so I guess no J4J's leaving any time soon, That;s OK the J4J's are MY FRIENDS THEY ARE GOOD GUYS AND I will fly with them any day. HOWEVER THESE NEW PDT,ALG MDA guys can go jump off a bridge. once out of training find another line of work. I say NO FO AT PSA WILL FLY w/ THESE guys. lEYS TEST THIS DEPENDABILITY PROGRAM GUYS. JUST

 

[LandRoverNut]

I will fly the 900's for F100 Rates and a flow thru to main line if they ever get any Growth airplanes. Just heard 3 more 75's going back to leasers with no replacements in sit. DP said we are looking so I guess no J4J's leaving any time soon, That;s OK the J4J's are MY FRIENDS THEY ARE GOOD GUYS AND I will fly with them any day. HOWEVER THESE NEW PDT,ALG MDA guys can go jump off a bridge. once out of training find another line of work. I say NO FO AT PSA WILL FLY w/ THESE guys. lEYS TEST THIS DEPENDABILITY PROGRAM GUYS. JUST SAY NO TO

 

[LandRoverNut]

SAY NO TO FLYING WITH THESE 10 MDA Pilots. Sorry guys but go back to your own Wholly Owned!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Thermocouple]

In all fairness, the MDA CEL guys may be completely immoral, but there are still 4 people in that class that are true APL guys (read this to mean guys that anyone with half a F***ing brain would recognize as actual human beings that have actually worked for US Airways). Supposedly, only 6 of the 10 are from Piedmont. I don't have any problem with the other 4 and hope that they do not end up guilty by association for being in a class with the PDT guys.

 

[trainer8]

In all fairness, the MDA CEL guys may be completely immoral, but there are still 4 people in that class that are true APL guys (read this to mean guys that anyone with half a F***ing brain would recognize as actual human beings that have actually worked for US Airways). Supposedly, only 6 of the 10 are from Piedmont. I don't have any problem with the other 4 and hope that they do not end up guilty by association for being in a class with the PDT guys.

Thermocouple, your bi-metalic element will probably melt on this but I'll review the facts for your "brain."

Fact: MDA was started as a PWO carrier.

Fact: MDA was closed down by the FAA, prompting US Airways management to move it onto the US Airways Operating certificate.

Fact: US Airways Officers and Counsel advise Arbitrator in MDA Arbitration in August 2005 that MDA is US Airways.

Fact: Furloghed MDA pilots, including former PDT/ALG CEL pilots are placed on the APL. Reason? They are US Airways Pilots with US Airways Seniority List numbers.

Fact: PSA MEC elected to participate in J4J and became a J4J PWO.

Fact: SJs are placed at PSA because of their participation in J4J.

Fact: APL pilots are eligible for 50% of new CA positions and 100% of back fill CA positions on SJ's at PSA and any other PWO or afilliate carrier.

Fact: All furloughed pilots from LCC are APL pilots and are eligible for positions at any J4J participating carrier.

Those are the facts (not necessarily chronological).

T8

 

[d328pilot]

Fact: LOA91 states that if you flow to mid atlantic and are later furloughed, you return to your previous wholly owned carrier.

What about that do you not understand???

 

[xpdriver]

I bet you do fly with those guys or you will be looking for a new job.Probably something in the food area...Anybody want to bet!!!

 

[Gofish]

FLOWBACKS are COOL!!

 

[trainer8]

Fact: LOA91 states that if you flow to mid atlantic and are later furloughed, you return to your previous wholly owned carrier.

What about that do you not understand???

That is correct, if you are flying for MDA, the PWO. MDA is not a PWO; it is/was US Airways, Inc. It was moved to the LCC Ops Certificate. I didn't make myself an US Airways Pilot/APL Pilot. AAA ALPA did. APL pilots don't have to Flow back. They can participate in J4J. They are participating in J4J.

Your fight is not with the J4J pilots. It is with AAA ALPA. You have taken the appropriate steps in greiving the J4J protocols. Now watch and see what happens.

T8

 

[UncleRico]

That is correct, if you are flying for MDA, the PWO. MDA is not a PWO; it is/was US Airways, Inc. It was moved to the LCC Ops Certificate. I didn't make myself an US Airways Pilot/APL Pilot. AAA ALPA did. APL pilots don't have to Flow back. They can participate in J4J. They are participating in J4J.

Your fight is not with the J4J pilots. It is with AAA ALPA. You have taken the appropriate steps in greiving the J4J protocols. Now watch and see what happens.

T8

I am still really curious about how you could be hired then at US Airways, Inc. without interviewing, having a sim ride, and not to mention that there are still REAL furloughed APL pilots on the street? That is definitely a violation of the ALPA constitution because proper hiring practice was not followed. I agree with you that it is not your fault, but I am really curious as to how that works.

 

[mamba20]

I would imagine they wont get a very warm welcome here.

 

[Bdfg1]

I am still really curious about how you could be hired then at US Airways, Inc. without interviewing, having a sim ride, and not to mention that there are still REAL furloughed APL pilots on the street? That is definitely a violation of the ALPA constitution because proper hiring practice was not followed. I agree with you that it is not your fault, but I am really curious as to how that works.

It's called BYPASS.

 

[RUhiring?]

It's called BYPASS.

1989 USAir new hire here. I was definitely NOT offered a recall to mainline in 2004, so if anyone was hired there as a MAINLINE pilot, I think I am due some back pay. Perhaps one of those CEL guys can explain that one?

 

[UncleRico]

It's called BYPASS.

BYPASS. Those guys didn't BYPASS working for US Airways, they bypassed MDA. Therefore, most APLers were never given the opportunity to work for US Airways. The real issue is that you were employed by US Airways without furloughees having the right to BYPASS working for US Airways. This whole situation is messed up and unfortunately PSA has been brought into it. Many of us are welcoming the new true APLers, their experience will be great to have on the property. I hope that this can be resolved soon and in a professional manner. Hopefully you PDT/ALG guys will have a good experience here.

 

[UncleRico]

1989 USAir new hire here. I was definitely NOT offered a recall to mainline in 2004, so if anyone was hired there as a MAINLINE pilot, I think I am due some back pay. Perhaps one of those CEL guys can explain that one?

I am glad someone knows where I am coming from. I hope you do get back pay and stock options as well.

 

[trainer8]

1989 USAir new hire here. I was definitely NOT offered a recall to mainline in 2004, so if anyone was hired there as a MAINLINE pilot, I think I am due some back pay. Perhaps one of those CEL guys can explain that one?

I think you're right. Perhaps you could contact the US Airways Mid-Atlantic Pilot Association and get the name of their lawyer. If MDA was US Airways, as has been admited in sworn testimony by LCC officers/management and counsel, you certainly have a case.

As for explanations, read the post on "PSA upgrades" on page 1 of the Regionals.

T8

 

[Swaayze]

1989 USAir new hire here. I was definitely NOT offered a recall to mainline in 2004, so if anyone was hired there as a MAINLINE pilot, I think I am due some back pay. Perhaps one of those CEL guys can explain that one?

As recently as early last year you could've gone back to USAir mainline as an E170 Captain in accordance with the J4J program. It was clearly being operated on the mainline and vacancies were available.

I don't understand why this is so difficult for people to grasp. The airplane was flown on the U certificate, the pilots had to be U employees. Vacancies were available to CEL folks because positions went unfilled by APL pilots (yes, bypassed) so they became mainline pilots IAW letters of agreement.