Just Flew Go-Jets

[TSA Pilot]

...and what amazes me is that half the pilots I meet volunteer their utter disgust with Goatjet without any solicitation from me. Either the two of us are strangely destined to fly with nary a similar -thinking pilot, or one of us has their heads in the sand.

airjackson, that is some of the funniest stuff I have ever read on flightinfo. bwhahahha. ONE LIST - CONTRACT 2006!

 

[Turtlesfly]

You know, I really didn't think it was possible to have yet another goatjets post. Thank you for proving me wrong.

At least the Mesa guys have pretty much had a rest - they were the hot topic when I first joined this site.

 

[jwes]

I read the first page of this thread and I had to stop because I threw up a little in my mouth. I'm sure is was a great flight and the employees we good, happy and cheap and even somewhat safe. The bottom line is they are bringing the industry down!!!! So whatever ?????

 

[better up here]

i need a losange.

 

[better up here]

Face it - game's up. Feel free to continue screaming, though.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!

 

[N1FuelFlow]

I agree with talespin. Guys this thread is stupid, Most people in the regional industry know G0Jets is a bunch of crap. Support the TSA pilots. I do!! A G0jet scab probably wrote this trying to justify their existence.

 

[B-J-J Fighter]

Whats the upgrade time right now at G-Jet? Its probably pretty fast.

 

[IdRtherBsailing]

At least the Mesa guys have pretty much had a rest - they were the hot topic when I first joined this site.

GoooJets is to Mesa as Scientology is to Moromonism....think about it

 

[Bringupthebird]

This ironspud character is probably a bored CFI sitting at his desk on a snowy day with nothing to do. Why don't you do something productive and grab a rag and scrub the belly on that 152 till it shines?

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Sorry Y'all:

Real guy. Ex TWA (15 yrs). Even got to the left seat rank there, before the purge. Definite ALPA "disliker". I'll admit to that.

But....AA made me a "consumer". $$ talks, "unionism" walks.

Go-Jets did a very nice job.

Sorry you don't like it. It was a very nice experience. Start to finish. Cheap too. You can't beat that.

Given the chance, I will do it again...but my company pays and chooses.

I/S

Well,
For a 15 year TWA guy, that sucks that APLA couldn't dictate how business was conducted at a failing company, even worse that they couldn't dictate how a company that bought said failing company, absorbed those assets. I am not ALPA, nor am I AA, I can understand your bitterness and being pi$$ed off but reality must prevail, ALPA does not run companies. Now back to the issue, sure Hulas can run a semi competent company, he hired people who have no clue about the industry, give them a while to come up to speed and see how bad they have it. "Nice clean", easy when the planes are new, 6 months to a year before they will smell like sweaty a$$ and curry, just like the rest of his airplanes. I flew the J32 for him and still can smell those planes in my memory.
PBR

 

[Dizel8]

I'm a "consumer" and Wal Mart offers the cheapest prices on many products, but I refuse to purchase anything there because of the way they treat their employees. Maybe not what a cheapskate "consumer" would do, but I can sleep soundly knowing that I didn't help Wal Mart destroy lives. Just saying that you're a "consumer" isn't enough. Consumers can still be intelligent and ethical. Supporting HoJets makes you neither of the above.

Sorry, but PFT is as bad as it gets, so you are being a hypocrite. You had no problem doing it when it benefitted you, but now you have a problem because someone else is looking out for their best interest. I certainly understand the ire the TSA pilots have with go-somewhere-jets, but you have no leg to stand on wrt. this issue!

 

[rspilot]

I agree with 100 LL....game over you all lost and ************************* will win.....

 

[ironspud]

Well,
For a 15 year TWA guy, that sucks that APLA couldn't dictate how business was conducted at a failing company, even worse that they couldn't dictate how a company that bought said failing company, absorbed those assets. I am not ALPA, nor am I AA, I can understand your bitterness and being pi$$ed off but reality must prevail, ALPA does not run companies. Now back to the issue, sure Hulas can run a semi competent company, he hired people who have no clue about the industry, give them a while to come up to speed and see how bad they have it. "Nice clean", easy when the planes are new, 6 months to a year before they will smell like sweaty a$$ and curry, just like the rest of his airplanes. I flew the J32 for him and still can smell those planes in my memory.
PBR

So...was there a point in there somewhere?

No change from the other day. Still consider the Go-Jets experience a great one. Will do it again.

 

[airjackson]

Speaking of points spud, let me try and grasp yours. You flew in the back of a UEX jet, operated by yours truly, and you are impressed by the fact that they got you to your destination on time and upright.

Well, pardon us if we aren't all giddy with exitement but I have a student with 10 and a 1/2 hrs of time who can fly a plane from point A to point B in a relatively smooth fashion, land it, and even take off again and come home in the same fashion. If given enough time, I could teach a monkey to accomplish the same task. What on earth is your point? They are pilots for a 121 carrier. They must meet MINIMUM standards, as do you and I. I would certainly EXPECT that they could do their job in a more or less average manner.

I hate to break the bad news to you but your post has nothing to do with the issue.

 

[ironspud]

Speaking of points spud, let me try and grasp yours. You flew in the back of a UEX jet, operated by yours truly, and you are impressed by the fact that they got you to your destination on time and upright.

Well, pardon us if we aren't all giddy with exitement but I have a student with 10 and a 1/2 hrs of time who can fly a plane from point A to point B in a relatively smooth fashion, land it, and even take off again and come home in the same fashion. If given enough time, I could teach a monkey to accomplish the same task. What on earth is your point? They are pilots for a 121 carrier. They must meet MINIMUM standards, as do you and I. I would certainly EXPECT that they could do their job in a more or less average manner.

I hate to break the bad news to you but your post has nothing to do with the issue.

And your point is......what?

They were professional. Did a great job. Saved me $$. Perfect.

 

[redbook]

I agree with 100 LL....game over you all lost and ****

********************* will win.....

Game? I guess you joined the "winning" team. Its a career for professionals and the only part of it that is like a game is how you g0jet fools got played by tsah management to join a whipsaw airline with promises of quick upgrades.

You lose everyday that you work there and never being to get rid of the g0jet label.

 

[redbook]

And your point is......what?

They were professional. Did a great job. Saved me $$. Perfect.

You have made your point. You are an a$$hole.

 

[100LL... Again!]

Sorry, but PFT is as bad as it gets, so you are being a hypocrite. You had no problem doing it when it benefitted you, but now you have a problem because someone else is looking out for their best interest. I certainly understand the ire the TSA pilots have with go-somewhere-jets, but you have no leg to stand on wrt. this issue!

I am sympathetic with the TSA pilots - thy're situation is unfortunate.

But I also have to laugh at PCL. He lives in a glass house, but feels fine throwing stones.

It must really bug him that he will never know what it is like to be regarded as a real professional who piad their dues, intstead of a PFT kiddie.

He reminds me of the weasely hanger-on in the mafia movies. You know the one: They guy who is a craven coward, but likes to feel like he's a mob tough-guy.

PCL's bashing of those with his same mindset is a naked attempt to wash the PFT stain off his hands. He must feel that if he bashes GJ and PFT hard enough, he will somehow redeem himself for his part in the problem.

It was ME FIRST all the way for him, but he begrudges others the same sentiment.

 

[100LL... Again!]

Game? I guess you joined the "winning" team. Its a career for professionals and the only part of it that is like a game is how you g0jet fools got played by tsah management to join a whipsaw airline with promises of quick upgrades.

You lose everyday that you work there and never being to get rid of the g0jet label.

I'm not HAPPY that the profession is being degraded. What I am is frustrated that the profession continues to refuse to prevent low-time marginally qualified people to flood the regionals, which diminishes the ability to make a real wage.

The profession cannot protect itself with contracts alone. We NEED HIGHER STANDARDS.

We need to find a way to keep the gulfstream types from contaminating the industry.

 

[say again]

The airline idustry sucks, and this thread proves my point one again!!! My furlough wound up to be a blessing in disguise!!!:beer:

 

[JohnnyP]

....

100LL,

So your saying that someone with another couple hundred hours or so of dual given will know so much more about the industry, and in turn will not fly for the current wages and raise the standard for everyone? Ehhh, with all due respect, I dont buy it. The guy with 500hrs and the guy with 1800hrs are going to do the same thing, fly for the same company, fly for the same wages, because they both need a job. I knew plenty of CFI's, banner towers, whatever they may be, that had upwards of 2000hrs or so and would have taken that initial $19/hr regional job when it popped up, just like the 500hr guy, because they had to move on. ( I am not saying the 500hr guy had to "move on", thats just the situation they were presented with). I agree something needs to be done, but the low time of a new hire isnt whats driving down wages, in my opinion. Please correct me if I am misunderstanding you.

 

[GrowASpine]

Tossing the "S" word around again, I see.

What amazes me the most is that every airline pilot I talk to, I ask them their opinion of GJ. Most have never heard of them and don't care either way.

Face it - game's up. Feel free to continue screaming, though.

I agree, I never heard of them until about a year ago and to this day I still don't care. The guys on the line I hear bitching about them, are new hire F/O's who think they know everything. Otherwise, all the other pilots have their own BS going on at their own airline they have to worry about.
Not worrying about some guy who took a non-union job at a start up airline. Spin it how ever you want, they aren't scabs. Freedom A-listers guys arent scabs.
But this is the iPod, MP3, rollerblading, backpack wearing generation adding their ERAU, UND, SIU & GIA education to the mix of things.

But you have to realize, that Flightinfo posters are a VERY small percentage of the World's pilot group, they just happen to be the most negative group out there. They can come here, bitch and complain all day long because they can hide behind a little screen name to avoid their real identity.

 

[GrowASpine]

But I also have to laugh at PCL. He lives in a glass house, but feels fine throwing stones.

It must really bug him that he will never know what it is like to be regarded as a real professional who piad their dues, intstead of a PFT kiddie.

He reminds me of the weasely hanger-on in the mafia movies. You know the one: They guy who is a craven coward, but likes to feel like he's a mob tough-guy.

PCL's bashing of those with his same mindset is a naked attempt to wash the PFT stain off his hands. He must feel that if he bashes GJ and PFT hard enough, he will somehow redeem himself for his part in the problem.

It was ME FIRST all the way for him, but he begrudges others the same sentiment.

PCL has done more damage to this industry than the GJ guys have. This guy has taken the job away from a paid pilot, and offered to PAY the company "X" ammount of money each year to fly that airplane. All so he could move up to another regional that flies Shiny Jets, and pays $18k a year.
But he wants to bash a start up airline, that was non ALPA affliated from the begining, and say that those pilots are bringing down the industry.
PCL is a child, he is a coward. He has no work ethic, he will just pay everyone to get where he wants to be in life. In the mean time, other airlines and 135 operators are now PFT. My kid brother went to go get a job flying a King Air 200. The operator has now began charging guys $250 a flight hour to SIT in the right seat.
This is because guys like PCL has told them, that there are pilots out there in this world who pay to have a job.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

So...was there a point in there somewhere?

No change from the other day. Still consider the Go-Jets experience a great one. Will do it again.

Yeah,
You are a clueless assclown, continue whining and sniveling and your fondest dreams will cum true. Sure it was a great experience, you were flown by your equals, assclowns, love each other like no other circus folk, pound on!
PBR
P.S. Go here: http://circusfreaks.dooza.com/?id=48&session_id=1891cc9a5ac7cc3eda0ef7b6b266bffc&referrer=

 

[MACH-TUCK]

Yesterday from ORD to JAX. Great flight. Enthusiastic crews front to back. Clean, new airplane. Even had first class. Superb service. CRJ700.

Crew had to penetrate a squall line and did it with ease (probably flew above it) and kept us all informed. Nice ride, little "light chop" first hour. Left 20 minutes late and got in within 15 minutes of schedule.

GOOOD PRICE!!!

I'm tellin' ya, this is where it's at.

As a consumer...this is where my $$ are going.

Ironspud, this thread is lame and you know it....Are you happy now that you started a post that got more than five people to respond?

 

[BoilerUP]

PCL has done more damage to this industry than the GJ guys have. This guy has taken the job away from a paid pilot, and offered to PAY the company "X" ammount of money each year to fly that airplane. All so he could move up to another regional that flies Shiny Jets, and pays $18k a year.
But he wants to bash a start up airline, that was non ALPA affliated from the begining, and say that those pilots are bringing down the industry.
PCL is a child, he is a coward. He has no work ethic, he will just pay everyone to get where he wants to be in life. In the mean time, other airlines and 135 operators are now PFT. My kid brother went to go get a job flying a King Air 200. The operator has now began charging guys $250 a flight hour to SIT in the right seat.
This is because guys like PCL has told them, that there are pilots out there in this world who pay to have a job.

This is total crap and total flamebait, but I'm bored so I'll bite. PCL has atoned for his 'PFT sin' as best anybody could, on this board and professionally.

Do you feel the same way about senior XJT, CMR, ASA, or CHQ captains? Because they all PFT'd, too. Are they worse that GJ pilots? Do you volunteer your time to go to flight schools and spread the anti-PFT gospel to aspiring professional pilots, or do you save your incoherient rantings for anonymous internet message boards?

 

[Jetpipeovht]

MY LORD!! Just drop this crap. Go beat your wife or kid to vent about how PFT has ruined your life.

 

[100LL... Again!]

100LL,

So your saying that someone with another couple hundred hours or so of dual given will know so much more about the industry, and in turn will not fly for the current wages and raise the standard for everyone? Ehhh, with all due respect, I dont buy it. The guy with 500hrs and the guy with 1800hrs are going to do the same thing, fly for the same company, fly for the same wages, because they both need a job. I knew plenty of CFI's, banner towers, whatever they may be, that had upwards of 2000hrs or so and would have taken that initial $19/hr regional job when it popped up, just like the 500hr guy, because they had to move on. ( I am not saying the 500hr guy had to "move on", thats just the situation they were presented with). I agree something needs to be done, but the low time of a new hire isnt whats driving down wages, in my opinion. Please correct me if I am misunderstanding you.

It is a question of restricting suppply until wages go up. Look at the nursing field. There is such a terrible shortage that starting pay is very good.

We need to restrict the inflow of pilots using some fair means, and higher hour or skill requirements would be one way.

Yes, we could demand 20/20 vision or some other stupid idea, but there needs to be a fair method of preventing low timers from buying their way in.

 

[100LL... Again!]

C'mon PCL - let's hear your rationalizations again!!!!

Why you should be forgiven and everyone else is a scab.

 

[SkyBoy1981]

I don't know why you folks are getting so worked up over Ironspud. It is obvious that he is just a pissed off ex TWA guy who has a grudge against TSA anyway, and felt that coming to this forum and creating a pro Go-Jet thread would somehow make him feel better about himself and piss all of his TSA enemies off in the process. Why do you give him the pleasure of succeeding?