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siucavflight

siucavflight

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Just wondering what your thoughts would be on this. I was flying last week and a younger regional FO stuck his head in the cockpit after boarding and asked if we minded him riding in the jumpseat from MIA to IND. This is a long flight in the ERJs jumpseat. The Captain said no problem. Kid straps in, and once we get to cruise I can smell alcohol on this guy, and I know the Captain can as well. After about an hour my Captain said to the young man "I know you are new to the airlines and I am not going to get you in trouble but for the future just so you know the same rules for drinking apply to you as an ACM as it does to the both of us, keep it in mind."
This kid looks at him and says "Oh I know I thought that I was going to get a seat in the back, and instead they stuck me up here."
Nothing was said other then that, and my Captain was a nice guy and let it slide, but he was pissed afterwards. I can understand a mistake, but this guy knew the rules and intentionally broke them.
Just thought I would share with you.
 
siucavflight said:
Just wondering what your thoughts would be on this. I was flying last week and a younger regional FO stuck his head in the cockpit after boarding and asked if we minded him riding in the jumpseat from MIA to IND. This is a long flight in the ERJs jumpseat. The Captain said no problem. Kid straps in, and once we get to cruise I can smell alcohol on this guy, and I know the Captain can as well. After about an hour my Captain said to the young man "I know you are new to the airlines and I am not going to get you in trouble but for the future just so you know the same rules for drinking apply to you as an ACM as it does to the both of us, keep it in mind."
This kid looks at him and says "Oh I know I thought that I was going to get a seat in the back, and instead they stuck me up here."
Nothing was said other then that, and my Captain was a nice guy and let it slide, but he was pissed afterwards. I can understand a mistake, but this guy knew the rules and intentionally broke them.
Just thought I would share with you.
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Let's have a poll. Was the above meant to be flamebait? I vote yes.
 
I just got home with a six pack of Fat Tire, geting ready for game time.
 
siucavflight said:
...This kid looks at him and says "Oh I know I thought that I was going to get a seat in the back, and instead they stuck me up here."
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Argh. It doesn't matter where you sit -- if you're jumpseating, you're an additional crewmember, and you need to be sober for it. Riding in the back doesn't change the rules, even if the FA offers you a drink.


If I were the captain, I'd route it through the jumpseat coordinators to make sure word gets out to that company. No need to mention the crewmember's name, but at least get the word out there, lest the whole agreement get killed when another walks into the cockpit reeking of the sauce.
 
CA1900 said:
Argh. It doesn't matter where you sit -- if you're jumpseating, you're an additional crewmember, and you need to be sober for it. Riding in the back doesn't change the rules, even if the FA offers you a drink.


If I were the captain, I'd route it through the jumpseat coordinators to make sure word gets out to that company. No need to mention the crewmember's name, but at least get the word out there, lest the whole agreement get killed when another walks into the cockpit reeking of the sauce.
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I agree with you. I guess that some feel if they are in the back and in street clothes they can drink. Many do it, but to me he crossed the line once he found out that Eagle had issued him the 1W instead of a seat and he still decided to take it knowing full well that he was breaking an FAR.
 
I've had guys show up for the jumpseat with booze on their breath a few times.....none of them made it on the flight...it's not professional and there are no excuses for it. If you're jumpseating, you don't drink...end of story
 
siucavflight said:
"Oh I know I thought that I was going to get a seat in the back, and instead they stuck me up here."
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The other moronic excuse I've heard is, "... the Captain released me to drink now that I'm sitting in the back."

These folks jeopardize our jumpseat privileges and put the Captain's ticket on the line.
 
dash8driver said:
i was on an air canada flight once and the lead FA came back to my seat and said "the captain wants to buy you a drink."

what do you do? discuss....
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Tell her no thanks.
 
Yea that guy was being stupid. "Additional Crew Member" says it all. I have specifically not drank the night before, because there was the chance of having to jumpseat to get back from visiting friends. It sucks , but suck it up.
 
I would have turned him in. People need to know the rules before they play the game. Inexperience is not an excuse.
 
Never mix drinking and jumpseating...EVER!

dash8driver said:
i was on an air canada flight once and the lead FA came back to my seat and said "the captain wants to buy you a drink."

what do you do? discuss....
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If it's SYD-HNL, politely decline and when the large glass of Bailey's arrives anyway. Say "Oh no, I couldn't, but thanks."

Turns out she spills it and it all falls down your gullet anyway....:0
 
Even better, a good old father and son "exit the aircraft and come back when your'e sober".

Start letting this crap slide, then what's next? You are, by definition, an extra crewmember.
Would you show up to fly like that?

Wouldn't the professional and responsible thing to do be to plan ahead on not being sauced when jumpseating, therefore avoiding the situation to begin with?
What if a pax or F/A smells alcohol on the guy and blows the whistle to the gate? Now we all go for testing and as the captain I now have to answer for why there was a drunk in my cockpit.

Sorry, simply not worth it. Try a later flight.
 
Agreed. The rules are clear. The public's opinion is clear. If you jumpseat and drink, you are setting yourself up to lose your job and career. It is just that simple. If I were that captain, I would have told the kid not to set foot on my aircraft, ever again.

Regards, Wacoflyr
 

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