Jumpseat war has begun

[MCDU]

Looks like one of the East USAIR pilots was just denied the J/S on a WEST Aircraft from SFO to CLT. (Which is an original EAST route). Looks like he got denied because he was wearing a USAPA lanyard. Next time I do SEA LAS or LAS SAN or PHX SFO or PHX SLC etc. I will not let a WEST Pilot on the J/S until this is resolved. And what I am hearing , this will be done by many AAA captains.

Let the games begin.

Marty

 

[Midnight Flyer]

With a policy like that, you'll screw the good guys just trying to get home. It's not fair to make everyone suffer because one guy happened to be wearing that lanyard.

 

[GuppyWN]

Got what was coming to him if you ask me.

No better way to build unity than to wear that lanyard.

Gup

 

[Avi8tor2000]

They should have stapled your ass, whiney b!tch. How many times did you need to go bankrupt before you liquidated? You should thank those guys for saving your company and the fact that you still have a job. Stop trying to make everyone as miserable as yourselves.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Can you feel the love.......Time for some Herndon Kumbaya KoolAid.......Rez? PCL128?

 

[737 Pylt]

Can you feel the love.......Time for some Herndon Kumbaya KoolAid.......Rez? PCL128?

What a complete jackass! Shouldn't you be stealing LEC minutes and crying to your girlfriend?
I don't know what's worse, the jerk denying a jumpseat over a silly lanyard, or you turning a thread into your ALPA bashing fest!
No wonder you're stuck at ASA troll!

737

 

[241BlujucCktl]

I don't care what your politics, religion, or union preference might be, when you start denying the jumpseat to another pilot you are only going to screw yourself in the long run. If ProStandards doesn't deal with this I hope anybody caught doing this gets an unpaid vacation.

 

[TWA Dude]

Looks like he got denied because he was wearing a USAPA lanyard.

First of all, I've stated here many times that I completely oppose any politics entering into the jumpseat. It shouldn't matter in the least what any pilot's views on anything are. If s/he is on the approved jumpseat list s/he should be allowed to ride.

Having said that, the captain is essentially inviting the jumpseater into his/her home and thus a certain decorum is exptected. For instance, one wouldn't step into the cockpit and insult the captain and still expect to be able to ride. For this reason I don't have anything on my flight case political or controversial and I would never bring up a delicate topic. IF I'M JUMPSEATING I AVOID CAUSING TROUBLE!!!!.

Everybody knows darn well the raison d'etre of USAPA is to screw the AWA pilots and that a USAPA lanyard is offensive to us. Wearing the lanyard is a direct insult. Now, why in the heck would you expect us to let you on the jumpseat when you insult us?

The solution to this problem is simple: YOU need to take the politics out of the situation. If an Eastie wishes to jump on an AWA plane take off the lanyard.

 

[B727Driver]

First the jumpseat, next in the sim for a PC. Many mergers in the future, time will get interesting.

 

[ReverseSensing]

Lanyards are for Sallys.

 

[MCDU]

So, should an America West take off his ALPA lanyard when J/S on East Metal, since ALPA has already screwed the EAST?
I could care less.
Mesa and Republik still get to J/S, even though they have taken away 1/3 of our jobs. Those pilots in my view are direct replacement pilots for all the furloughs AAA has endured.
Alpa is a joke and the only reason AWA supports them is because they want their windfall, which will never happen as long as we have 3500+ pilots against 1800.

Marty

 

[BEfly]

So, should an America West take off his ALPA lanyard when J/S on East Metal, since ALPA has already screwed the EAST?
I could care less.
Mesa and Republik still get to J/S, even though they have taken away 1/3 of our jobs. Those pilots in my view are direct replacement pilots for all the furloughs AAA has endured.
Alpa is a joke and the only reason AWA supports them is because they want their windfall, which will never happen as long as we have 3500+ pilots against 1800.

Marty

I'll never go to the airwines.....Never.

 

[241BlujucCktl]

So, should an America West take off his ALPA lanyard when J/S on East Metal, since ALPA has already screwed the EAST?

Excellent Point

 

[michael707767]

So, should an America West take off his ALPA lanyard when J/S on East Metal, since ALPA has already screwed the EAST?

Has ALPA screwed the East? You are members of ALPA and you know (or should know) that ALPA policy does not mention DOH anywhere. Yet you held to the idea that you should have DOH, then watered it down some by wanting LOS. Neither position was supportable. Had you negotiated a list you would have come out with a better deal than what you got. But you were unwilling to be reasonable, and when an arbitrator, whose decision you agreed in advance to live with, rendered his decision you feel screwed. Knowing DOH was not ALPA policy, why did you not leave ALPA years ago?

 

[Tejas-Jet]

If an Eastie wishes to jump on an AWA plane take off the lanyard.

Sooooo...could he take off the lanyard, ask for the J/S...then after the gear is up...put the lanyard on again?

All joking aside...we've seen this in the past. Anytime a J/S battle starts, the only result is that both sides end up losing...especially when it is nothing more than a trivial matter.

 

[TWA Dude]

So, should an America West take off his ALPA lanyard when J/S on East Metal, since ALPA has already screwed the EAST?

No.

I could care less.

If you could care less why don't you?

Mesa and Republik still get to J/S, even though they have taken away 1/3 of our jobs.

*sigh* How can one argue with one who understands so little? Mesa and Rebublic pilots haven't taking anything from anybody. Those jobs were GIVEN to them. Are there any regional pilots flying today in violation of SCOPE clauses? (The answer is no.) So once again, you blame others instead of yourself. If USAPA wins USAirways' destiny may finally be realized.

 

[PositiveRate]

Marty,

On the West, I believe you will see more of this, so if you need to get to work and you have a yellow USAPA lanyard, you might want to be prepared to remove it if asked. It is a direct slap in the face to the West as TWAdude pointed out and it is not unreasonable for a captain to ask for it to be removed prior to flight as I believe it can cause a real distraction depending on the person (some people get a lot more worked up over this than others - personally I think messing with the jumpseat in any way is incredibly bad karma).

In my opinion - there is no jumpseat war. But if commuters on either side think they can display offensive lanyards, stickers while keeping the status quo on an opposite metal jumpseat, they lack basic common sense. That's a familiar theme as of late.

For East - offensive would be the lanyards, big USAPA stickers, etc. For West - getting on an East airplane with a screw USAPA sticker or similar is right up there on the stupid totem pole as well.

 

[TWA Dude]

Sooooo...could he take off the lanyard, ask for the J/S...then after the gear is up...put the lanyard on again?

Of course he could. He just shouldn't be surprised if the captain returns to the gate and boots his tuchus off.

All joking aside...we've seen this in the past. Anytime a J/S battle starts, the only result is that both sides end up losing...especially when it is nothing more than a trivial matter.

Ordinarily I'd agree 100% but there's an important distinction. The typical J/S wars involve captains who pre-judge the jumpseater based solely on which airline s/he flies for. This situation involves a jumpseater who deliberately antagonized the captain. Stupidity should be painful.

 

[iflyhigh]

MCDU:

First I do not believe in holding the J/S hostage, we all use it to get to work and politics needs to stay out it.

That being said, I am playing devil's advocate, but I nor you or anybody else knows what actually took place. (For all we know the East guy is having an affair with the West guy's wife. So he was denied the j/s.)

Let Pro Standards take care of this issue with this West Captain. Believe me West ALPA is not advocating using the J/S for this reason, but we do have a few mavericks.

All East guys are welcome are welcome on the West j/s.

iflyhigh

 

[MCDU]

i agree iflyhigh. Thats why I did not post his name.

Marty

 

[waveflyer]

Mesa and Republik still get to J/S, even though they have taken away 1/3 of our jobs. Those pilots in my view are direct replacement pilots for all the furloughs AAA has endured.
Marty

Regionals flying more and more of the domestic routes are simply a more insidious version of the B-scale. Worse b/c they fly mainline passengers all over the country but don't get a seniority number out of it. It is CLEARLY the Senior Pilots at mainline sacrificing junior pilots to keep something for themselves. I'm tired of it being framed any other way.

 

[PCL_128]

Can you feel the love.......Time for some Herndon Kumbaya KoolAid.......Rez? PCL128?

Kumbaya koolaid? Nope, not from me. The whiny little uSAPa d0uche got exactly what he deserved. I wouldn't let him ride, either.

 

[EMB170Pilot]

MCDU,

Catch a clue man! How am I taking your flying when your company assigns the flying to my company?

I didn't vote on anything to acquire your flying.

Thank you for stating your an idiot though.

 

[MINIME]

Man oh Man, sounds like you guys are headed right for (I'm here to help) uncle Fed, if you don't bring this down a notch. Trying to be sensitive to both sides' issues, but don't you guys have a contract that needs to be worked out?

This has got to be Parker's wet dream coming to fruition. He's high fiving all his buddies at the country club and laughing straight to the bank. All at the expense your own wallets and in an inderect way, mine as well.

I know this is easier said than done, and there's lots of people with real issues. But at some point you just have to keep moving forward. Not moving forward could mean further depletion of however little, you were able to keep. Further eye poking won't solve any of your problems. More money in your wallets will go a long way to help relieve them.

 

[BOYCAPTAIN]

Looks like one of the East USAIR pilots was just denied the J/S on a WEST Aircraft from SFO to CLT. (Which is an original EAST route). Looks like he got denied because he was wearing a USAPA lanyard. Next time I do SEA LAS or LAS SAN or PHX SFO or PHX SLC etc. I will not let a WEST Pilot on the J/S until this is resolved. And what I am hearing , this will be done by many AAA captains.

Let the games begin.

Marty

gee..i mentioned this weeks ago...

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=108833

 

[Dizel8]

Alpa is a joke and the only reason AWA supports them is because they want their windfall, which will never happen as long as we have 3500+ pilots against 1800.

Sorry, but while I do not work for either US or AWA, it seems to me, that the AWA has abided by the rules, whereas the Easties has done nothing but try to have their way.

Now, since the easties feels slighted, you are going to impose, through USAPA, your view of things, after all, you are 3500+ and might is right.

There was a time, when I felt the pilots at AAA had taken enough,pension robbed, paycuts, but having seen the screwjob you easties are hoping to administer, the empathy is over! At this point in time, I hope the "binding" arbitration ruling stands!

 

[waveflyer]

Any Easties:
I keep hearing how if the Nic Award stands, many of you will never get to be captains. How do you explain this logic... by getting the top 500 and then being slotted in ratio-wise w/ a pilot group that you outnumber 2 to 1- how does that affect your upgrade so drastically? It's an honest question.

Especially since very few westies will come out east just to be captains... I really think you over-estimate how much anyone in this industry covets your flying. It just seems this is all about pride. And what an awful reason to be holding up an industry that NEEDS you to help raise wages.

 

[CitationLover]

Thank you for stating your an idiot though.

Please speak the proper Queen's English.

So some old f@#$ wore a USAPA lanyard. Let him sit in the j/s and proceed to call him a ******************************bag for 2 hours or so.

 

[get2flyin]

As is always the case, the Jack-off who DOESN'T commute throws some moron who's trying to be a tough guy off the flight. He goes crying to his buddies.....and now two idiots screw the rest of nice guys who DO commute and have the smarts to just treat each other in a civil fashion. Great. Just great.

 

[cactusboy53]

So, should an America West take off his ALPA lanyard when J/S on East Metal, since ALPA has already screwed the EAST?
I could care less.
Mesa and Republik still get to J/S, even though they have taken away 1/3 of our jobs. Those pilots in my view are direct replacement pilots for all the furloughs AAA has endured.
Alpa is a joke and the only reason AWA supports them is because they want their windfall, which will never happen as long as we have 3500+ pilots against 1800.

Marty

NO. ALPA is our bargaining representative at this time. Did ALPA national screw the EAST. NO...the AAA MEC drove the bus all the way down the road to LOA 93 and recent changes....Not Duane Woerth & company (now Prater). Good news is that with all of the delays and handholding, a lion's share of the East pilots (furloughed included) now hold a captain's seat. Congratulations. Speaking of a windfall....icehole.

I just can't wait to see how you will spin how Delta pilots took your job....

Here's an idea: New ALPA merger policy...If you are sitting at 35% of your current company list, you sit 35% in the new company (as long as both carriers are financially in play)...PERIOD. Oh wait, who would pay for the lawyer's childrens BMW??