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cheater1239

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today, monday, i was an eyewitness to the sort of thing that can ruin it for everyone who uses jumpseats. ORD to SEA on AA at 2:47pm. a second jumpseater shows up and learns that the super 80 only takes one... he (physical description: about 5'3", white male, short dark hair, white shirt, gold on black stripes, no jacket, copilot, no obvious airline affiliation) DEMANDS that the gate agent get him on, or find the Capt. so "the rules can be waived". the gate agents were incredulous. i would have liked to know what airline he's with (if he was for real), so his jumpseat committee chairperson could set him straight.
 
Hopefully the friendly ORD airport police were eventually summoned, for I smells me a fraudulent jumpseater; my guess is his ID card came out of his printer, and the uniform he won on Ebay - or bought from Sporty's.
 
I guarantee he was an imposter--everyone in the airline business knows that AA agents are a pain in the a$$ to offline jumpseaters!;) If you are going to try to B.S. your way onto the jumpseat pick another airline.TC
 
dispatchguy said:
Hopefully the friendly ORD airport police were eventually summoned, for I smells me a fraudulent jumpseater; my guess is his ID card came out of his printer, and the uniform he won on Ebay - or bought from Sporty's.

The sad part is that I know quite a few legit jumpseaters that pull this saaaame $hit. They come up looking like crap, acting like a child and expect to get a first-class seat. All 10 minutes before departure.

I just had a Flight Attendant tell me the other day that she was suprised that I just didn't seat myself in First Class. I told her the captain didn't offer it so I went to my assigned Coach seat. She said that 1/2 the time jumpseaters just go ahead and sit there even if the Captain doesn't extend the courtesy.

It's morons like that who make jumpseating a harder task than it should be....
 
It's morons like that who make jumpseating a harder task than it should be....

Amen..........

I commuted offline for about 10 years. It is NOT brain surgery, it is a privilege that is easily lost.

Having witnessed similar instances as above a few time, I can say without a doubt, that the SUREST way to get denied is to get upset and start demanding anything. Heck, to most gate agents, jumpseaters are a PIA, and some resent the fact that you can jumpseat.

I agree about the AA gate agents......... by far the worst when it comes to civility to offline jumpseaters!

It's a simple procedure.........

Show up as early as you can (it's not always possible to be there an hour prior, which brings me to the next point).......

BE NICE and POLITE to the gate agent, regardless of how nasty they are to you. A disarming smile and and an empathetic comment will go a LONG way (wow, you guys sure are busy today!).........


Even if you are the first person at the gate area, wait until the revenue pax get on line before you. Nothing ticks off a gate agent more than a pilot running up first thing in the morning, pushing old ladies out of the way to be first in line.


If you see another pilot that looks like he might be trying for the jumpseat, instead of trying to beat him to the front of the line, go over and make it known that you are also trying to jumpseat, and determine who was there first, going to or from work etc. Work out who will go if they will only take one, BEFORE you get to the gate agent. A lot of guys will see you there before the gate opens, and instead of talking to you, will attempt to beat you out at the check in line. The agents REALLY don't want to referee an argument at the front of the line........ Believe it or not, the worst offenders that I've seen in these cases were from ATC guys. Three times in my commuting tenure, I've had them try to have me bumped from a jumpseat using the "I'm with the FAA" nonsense and make a scene at the gate. One lady even came down to the cockpit right before push (I was already strapped in the MD80) to plead with the Captain to bump me and take her instead!

I had a UPS guy do this in PHL on an originator to MIA. I was the first person through SECURITY that morning, as I had spent the night in the crew room there, so I could commute home first thing. I got to the gate about 2 hours prior to push. A guy with a brown raincoat (no hat or any other identifying items) came into the gate area about 45 minutes after I did, and I had a feeling he was a pilot, but wasn't sure. He had the deer in the headlights look when he saw me sitting there. Since I was in full uniform, I figured that if he were a pilot looking to jumpseat, he would come over and say something to me. When the gate opened, the guy jumped up and cut in front of about 15 pax to get to the front of the line, and asked for the jumpseat. The gate agent gave him a lecture about courtesy to the rev folks, but gave him the jumpseat anyway. I got on the end of the line and checked in (there were 2 seats). When we boarded, the Capt told us to sit in First (at the time, AA wouldn;t let offline jumpseaters sit in the cabin at all, so it was a treat!) and I was placed next to Mr. UPS. He started talking to me and I just stopped him and asked him if he had seen me sitting in the gate area, and he said yes. I was obviously not an AA guy, and asked if it dawned on him to see if I was going to jumpseat. He said yes, but that he had been up all night (so had I, after working all day), and felt he deserved to get home! I told him that common courtesy dictates that the first one at the gate should be the first one on the jumpseat, but he argued that it was the first one that checks in...... I didn't say another word to him for the rest of the flight..........

I am so glad that I don't commute any more.......
 
I was in CLT to off-line jumpseat to DFW the other day. I was at the gate first and checked in. A Mesa guy came up (in uniform) and asked to be put on the list anyway in case I didn't show (I wasn't in uniform). When the captain came out he saw the Mesa guy and introduced himself. I thought it was going to get awkward but the Mesa guy told the captain he was 2 on the list, so the captain told the gate agent to give us both seats, in first class.

Another time in DFW going home there was a similar situation and the agent gave us each a seat and said because she assigns the seats she figures she can assign what she wants. I had checked in first and made sure I got to the cockpit first in case the captain had a problem with it, but the other guy never even checked in. We both got home.

Another time I got to the gate first and missed out because someone else got to the counter first, but that's what I get for reading USA Today.
 
Stifler's Mom said:
Top Gun MAV,

Knock it off!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LMAO!!

"Excuse me...I am THE MAV! I have already mastered the 1900, so you MUST let me on your jumpseat!"
 
P.S. Meal list first. It makes the gate agents' job easier and earns some points.
 
And now I'll give you a few examples from an ex-groundpounder. I used to be an Ops. Supv for Southwest and had my fair share of dealings with jumpseaters.

The worst one that comes to mind was an older white English ANA captain who wanted (demanded) to jumpseat from PHX-LAX. I was called up to help the CSA let this "gentleman" know that he was not on our list. Wearing his double breasted uniform, he told me "You mean nothing to me, I want to talk to the Captain. He will let me go." OK, gloves off a$$hole! I told him I could care less who he works for now, because he was insulting everyone including me. More words were exchanged, although I don't remember what I said 'casue I was pi$$ed. He wouldn't leave, so I went down to the plane and explained what had just happened to the Captain, who happened to be our Asst. Chief from MDW. He calmly walked up the jetway with me saying he would take care of it. As soon as the two met, the ANA guy extended his hand toward our Captain for a shake. My Captain didn't acknowledge this and proceeded to chastize him on his behavior. He continued by asking "Would your company allow me to jumpseat?" Of course you all know how those Asian carriers are about not letting anyone jumpseat. The ANA guy said "well, no-but......" My Captain cut him off and said "Well, it looks like we have nothing further to talk about then!" You should have seen the face of this ANA guy.....Of course, I made sure that I was in tune with our 15 other flights to LAX and not allow anyone to give this guy access at all. Never heard from him again.
 
But on the flipside there are great jumpseaters as well. When I was working in TUS, there was a UAL 737 Captain who commuted to LAX on a weekly basis. He was always polite and courteous and whenever he saw me, he offered to buy me an ice cream or a soda. Needless to say he was always given preferential treatment. Just goes to show you attract more bees with honey, or however that saying goes.
 
Wink, wink, nudge, nudge...

...or get more boys with ice cream. Know what I mean?


:)

Just joshin' ya man. I'm sure he just wanted to jump your seat, um, I mean ride your, um, I meant to say, commute. Yeah that's it.


:D
 
mar you're too funny...does that guy make any one else laugh or is it just me?
 
It sucks to be me.

Hey man, I'm just out for my own entertainment. If you happen to enjoy it too then that's even better.

:cool:

Back on topic: I often wonder if jumpseating wouldn't be so cut-throat if the airlines allowed as many jumpseaters as they have open seats. I mean, what's the cost of carrying a jumpseater? And isn't there a tangible benefit to having several qualified crew members (of any aircraft/operation) riding in the back?

Why just take one? Or two? Thankfully Alaska changed their policy but now they're overbooking all their flights...:rolleyes:

Sometimes you just can't win.
 
Re: Wink, wink, nudge, nudge...

mar said:
...or get more boys with ice cream. Know what I mean?


:)


MAR, come on man, can't ya see that I already have this lovely sheep. 737 captains don't do it for me anymore ;-(
 
In defense of AA gate agents

You can't generalize about any company's gate agents. I regularly jumpseat on AA and have seen both ends of the spectrum. Some will bend over backwards to get you onboard. Others get their delight when there are 30 open seats in back, but they can deny you a ride home because a Fed or Check Airman is on the jumpseat. I've also seen both ends of the spectrum at United. While the agents at smaller bases seem to be more helpful than those at major hubs, that's not always the case. Fortunately, most of them are nice if you treat them with respect. Unfortunately, no matter how hard you try, you'll occasionally run into somebody who will ruin your whole day.

I strongly believe in the golden rule of jumpseating. Treat others as you would like to be treated. I meet and cooperate with other jumpseaters in the gate area and I enthusiastically welcome as many offline jumpseaters as I can aboard my aircraft. My hope is that I'll get the same treatment when I'm trying to get to and from work.
 
How about this one:

I go back to use the lav, and notice 2 guys from an ATL-based 135 operator had gotten on in Wichita, riding back to ATL, in their matching company golf shirts.

I check the paperwork, and see that they are both jumpseating. It dawns on me that they either just dropped off an aircraft for MX or were coming back from sim training, either of which would be company business, and they should have been riding on a paid ticket. I tried to catch them getting off the airplane, but they had beat it out of there fast.

I turned that one over to our jumpseat coordinator. Nothing
p!sses me off more than some cheap-ass 135 operator telling their pilots to jumpseat somewhere on company business instead of paying for a ticket for them . . . . . that's a sure way to lose your privileges.
 
Ty...

I'd agree! I'm a 135 and would say thanks to anyone who takes us. I've never asked for a jumpseat for company business and have never been asked to, thankfully. Its stupid, they should have there priviliges revoked, and it ticks me off because it gives the 135 guys a bad rap.

Thanks again for those who will take us, and if the TSA ever pulls its head out of its rear, your welcome on my airplane any time....however, only one at a time....cause thats how many seats there are!
 

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