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[JTrain]

Q. How do you fit 20 paying pax on a 19 seat B1900?

A. Gulfstream International Airlines or Tab Express.....

(if you still don't get it, think who the other paying pax is!!!!!)

 

[ILStoMinimums]

Q. How do you fit 20 paying pax on a 19 seat B1900?

A. Gulfstream International Airlines or Tab Express.....

(if you still don't get it, think who the other paying pax is!!!!!)

TabexpressF/O thats you dear friend.

 

[BoxFlyr]

Then they should have to have a flight attendant, maybe they can get her to pay too! Boxflyr

 

[The_Russian]

JTrain

You are ignorant. I don't have any experiance with TAB, but at GIA we fly. Well, I guess you wouldn't know about our 99.7% pass rate with the airlines that hire us. Nor would you know about the four regionals that are begging for pilots from GIA because we train so easily and fly so proficiently. You are much too busy cracking jokes on your fellow pilots.

 

[ILStoMinimums]

Re: JTrain

You are ignorant. I don't have any experiance with TAB, but at GIA we fly. Well, I guess you wouldn't know about our 99.7% pass rate with the airlines that hire us. Nor would you know about the four regionals that are begging for pilots from GIA because we train so easily and fly so proficiently. You are much too busy cracking jokes on your fellow pilots.

Begging? Don't know about that.........?

 

[100LL... Again!]

The wishful ranting of newbie.

Patience, young Jedi.

 

[LJDRVR]

Begging?

"Oh please, send us the resume's of all your pilots! We're having such a hard time finding qualified, experienced pilots right now! EVERYBODY knows those turboprop sparkys are the best all-around aviators in the industry!"

Calm down there now junior. Do you really think you've found the Aeronautical Rosetta Stone? The one job that provides the training and experience to eclispse anybody not as astute as yourself in their job choices?

Grow up some. Really. Why is it so many people get a charge out of coming to this board and posting their little chest-thumping, self-serving gems?

So, the burden is on you. Post some intelligent facts and/or well-reasoned commentary as to why you are so vastly superior to your peers. My guess is you don't have the cajones to try. (Not to mention the fact that your assertions are BS.)

 

[1.3XVso]

ahhhh thats it

You know when theres someone who just drives you nuts and you just feel like giving them a headlock until they pass out?

 

[searching]

Well Russian, I have no problems with Gulfstream/Tab Express type programs, and I could care less about PFT issues, but to go around and state how airlines are begging for Gulfstream grads is a little.. well alot.... of Bull ShlT...

NO airlines are begging for ANYBODY, not 7000 hour furloughed 757 drivers , and sure as hell no 500 hour B1900 Drivers.

 

[The_Russian]

100LL-

Don't call me a newbie, you don't know me. You don't know how I fly or how I teach.

LJDRVR-

Read some of my posts and you will see actual facts about GIA. None of which is BS. Your TT doesn't give you the right to call anyone junior, you don't know me either.


All-

I am getting tired of all of you and your f-in opinion. I bring facts to the table. GIA is one of the finest schools I have attended. After I am finished training at GIA I will be 5 steps ahead of my fellow CFI's when it comes to airline hiring. Most of what you know about GIA is rumor, hearsay, and slander from pilots who have nothing better to do than hate someone for doing something different. GIA has an excellent training program that makes any pilot, young or old, better and more professional. I am proud to be a part of that program. I am learning things that will ensure my success as a crewmember at a regional and hopefully a major carrier.

GIA is NOT a PFT/PFJ program in any way. The airline and academy was founded on the FO program. In no way are GIA graduates buying a job. They fly the 250hrs. and receive sim and ground training. Upon completion they must go through an interveiw with the airline of their choice and be hired. WE DO NOT PAY FOR A PERMANENT SEAT AT AN AIRLINE.

It is late and I don't think I want to spend anymore time repeating my previous posts. If you want to know facts and you are rational, then pm me. For those of you who have nothing good to say with no facts to back your statements up........GET BENT. Nobody named you the God of aviation either.

 

[TopGun-MAV]

Dear jtrain,

I wish you the best in your aviation carrer. but i fear that with your attitude you will not make it far. I have made many great friends at tab most of them very good pilots. you try flying a kingair/be1900 at 400 hours. it is very difficult. why do you insult such an operation? do you want to be there? if so pm me and i might be able to walk your resume in. you are wrong to say that there are 20 paying paxs at tab in a 1900. there is only 19. we might pay for our training but we are a part 121 crew member who gets paid to sit there. i fear that you want to be like us. don't worry i know times are bad right now but things will turn around soon. every one goals, so don't knock them. we at tab and others want to make it to the hevy iron too.

GO TABEXPRESS!!

 

[LJDRVR]

O.K. Junior,

I've read quite a few of your posts, but they are not germaine to our discussion. I said NOTHING about GIA. I think it's laudable that you are proud of your school, that's commendable. What I have a problem with is your hyperbole concerning the employability of your students. In my previous post I simply demanded that you provide some facts or well-reasoned commentary to support your wild allegations. I'm still waiting.

"Nor would you know about the four regionals that are begging for pilots from GIA because we train so easily and fly so proficiently."

My issue with this statement is that it's absolutely incorrect. If you believe that having been through a certain training program makes you a better pilot than ANYBODY, you are really showing your lack of aviation maturity.

Experience does not always mean that the pilot is worth anything. I've flown with low-time guys who were simply amazing, and high time folks who were an accident waiting to happen. In all of these cases it was the individual's skills that determined what kind of aviator they were, and those skills are not always the result of a specific type or kind of training.

Which four regionals are "begging" for GIA graduates? Give me a break. Don't believe everything the marketing trogs tell you. The regionals aren't begging for anybody. What you have yet to discover is the true nature of the pilot market you are about to enter into. If you did you wouldn't be making such statements. I'll give you an example. Several years ago Spirit Airlines would have been a good opportunity for someone in my boat. With several thousand hours of turbine PIC, I would have been an attractive prospect. Fast forward to 2004. My buddy just got hired by Spirit. His flight time is 100% in excess of mine, he has DC-9 time, and he's the LEAST experienced guy they hired in his group. No sour grapes, just understand the competition you face is MUCH more severe than you think it is, and nobody gives a rats patootie that you have 100 hours of Beech 1900 SIC time.

Don't get me wrong. I wish you nothing but success beyond your wildest dreams. But don't post garbage and then take it personally when someone questions you about it.

PS- JTrain is yanking your chain, ignore him.

 

[barnyard]

It must be tough shelling out 25K and then finding out no one in the industry will ever respect you as a pilot.

 

[boeingnotgoing]

I think what are Russian friend posted is pathetic, but give me a break. I can't say just because someone flew around in the pattern for a thousand hours as a CFI, they deserve respect. I don't know many pilots that have respect for people just beacuse they were CFI's. Most pilots I know respect another for their skills, not what backround they came from.

But then again, this is Flightinfo, where everything is relative.(or not really)

 

[TopGun-MAV]

how much do you have to pay at gulfstream? soon the majors will be pft so more low time pilots can get a job easier. its hard competing against 5000hr jet captains.

 

[blade230]

TopGun-MAV,

What a stupid thing to say. Why would anyone want the majors to be PFT? Even PFTers DO NOT WANT to pay more than once.

Obviously this is Flame bait, or you're retarded, or you're related to Donald Trump, and retarded.

Gulfstream is a heii of alot cheaper than the 60 grand over at Tab. I think Gulfstream is around 20-25 grand.

I think I'm an idiot for even responding to that post.

 

[TopGun-MAV]

why do you think i'm related to donald trump? no, i'm not retarted. yes, i admit i'm a little slow sometimes, but not retarded.
i never said i wanted major airlines to be pft, read exactly wot i said. it would be easier for low time pilots to get a job there. thats all i meant.
don't feel bad about responding to me, i know people mock me here.

 

[TRBojet]

TopGun-MAV:

How did you get that be-1900 type rating under your profile with 395 hours?

Just curious.....

 

[350DRIVER]

I cannot actually believe you guys are showing your faces on this board. You have "rented" a seat and are laughed at and looked down upon by most all on this board and around the entire industry. I could not even look at myself in the mirror if I had to go out and "rent" a seat out in a 1900 to play with the radios and "play pilot". You have very little if anything of substance and fact to bring to this board. Why continue to post and continue to be the laughing stock?

GIA is NOT a PFT/PFJ program in any way. The airline and academy was founded on the FO program. In no way are GIA graduates buying a job. They fly the 250hrs. and receive sim and ground training. Upon completion they must go through an interveiw with the airline of their choice and be hired. WE DO NOT PAY FOR A PERMANENT SEAT AT AN AIRLINE.

It is be a whore and "rent" a seat out and play pilot. You are doing nothing more than BUYING a job, it is a complete joke. "Airline of their choice"? Pinnacle, who else? I kind of thought so. Most other regionals will not even look at you pfters.


get real


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ps>> good joke, how true.!

 

[Hose A. Jiminez]

After I am finished training at GIA I will be 5 steps ahead of my fellow CFI's when it comes to airline hiring.

I sense the rudest of awakenings lies ahead.

Seriously commie, no one in the show likes a PFT'er.
That sh't may slide at a dirtbag regional but thats as far as you are likely to get.

 

[airbuslovely]

Russian, you are a jackass posting flame bait, but fortunately, I think you are nothing more than someone tyring to start a shlt storm.

There are many who PFT'd in the 1990's flying here at the Blue. And I know many many more at other large company's who PFT'd in the 1990's also. Those who are sharp enough,with good personalities WILL get GOOD jobs. PFT or not.

 

[Prof. Joe Vee]

Lets see, Pinnacle/JetBlue.

Two airlines that don't want a pilot force with a backbone. They want subservant slaves.

What better way to get this in the cew force than PFT clones.

No wonder the industry is a wreck.

Thanks ValueJet/AirTran 110% heroes.

 

[FN FAL]

you try flying a kingair/be1900 at 400 hours

But the fact of the matter is...YOU'RE NOT FLYING a kingair or 1900 with 400 hours. The captain is...you're just manipulating the controls.

 

[The_Russian]

Who started this???

Airbuslovely- Your buddy with the joke started this!

The rest of you...

All of you who are anti-GIA are all a$$holes. You have nothing better to do than sit on your computer at home and hate someone. Some of us at GIA did our time and are trying to perfect our resumes. I have been a respected CFI for 3 years and still continue to instruct because I love it. I love flying. I like all my friends, who are mostly pilots from all walks of life. None of us care how we got where we are now. We share a common passion in life that most cannot say they have. None of us at GIA have PFT'ed, because we didn't buy a JOB. And none of us at GIA have crossed a picket line, so why are we treated like we did?

None of you have any good reasons why GIA is wrong for the industry. Nor do you have any proof that there are consequences from a 500 hour pilot in the right seat of a CRJ. Why? because it goes on all the time. Regionals have hired thousands of pilots with 500 hours.

Now, lets say a pilot was to go fly his daddy's twin around for 200 hours and then get hired on with a total of 500 hours at a regional. That pilot would in no way be as good of a crewmember as another pilot who attended GIA and was airline trained.

I know for a fact that flight instruction has done almost nothing to help me get through airline training. It is a totally new set of regs, proceedures, and systems. INSTRUCTING AND AIRLINE FLYING ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. As a Gold Seal instructor, I think you low time pilots should listen to that statement. On the other hand, instructing does build a basis for good flying. I think everyone should do it. Not only for themselves but to put something back into the flying community.

Get over it guys. Get on with your lives. Go flying. If you can't do that, then you have a problem far worse than worrying about who attended GIA and who didn't. Soon there are going to be blacklists for both sides of the arguement and no one will be jumpseating on anyones airplane. Then people will become pilots not for flying, but to fight with someone else.

One day I will be sharing a cockpit with one of you. We will look at each other and say, "everything is OK to go right?". And both of us have to trust each other to make the flight happen safely.

 

[350DRIVER]

All of you who are anti-GIA are all a$$holes. You have nothing better to do than sit on your computer at home and hate someone. Some of us at GIA did our time and are trying to perfect our resumes. I have been a respected CFI for 3 years and still continue to instruct because I love it. I love flying. I like all my friends, who are mostly pilots from all walks of life. None of us care how we got where we are now. We share a common passion in life that most cannot say they have. None of us at GIA have PFT'ed, because we didn't buy a JOB. And none of us at GIA have crossed a picket line, so why are we treated like we did?

"Perfect" your resume? You cannot be serious, what the he!! are they putting in that Gulfjoke kool aid they make you guys drink down there? You have pretty much just screwed yourself and have made yourself into a joke. You are treated this way because you do not deserve the time of day let alone any amount of respect from the other pilots who had to come up the ranks the hard/right way. You most certainly did buy a job and "rented" a seat out in a 1900 for 250 hours, bottom line. Trust me many people do care how you got to where you are at and that will come about after you are done yanking the gear and playing with the radios. It may be a fun ride at Pinnacle but just wait until you try and advance and move on from there. You young one are in for a very abrupt and rude wake up call. I personally am friends with someone who is on a interview board and he will intentionally have the hr department get a few GIA folks just for laughs before he tells them to not let the door hit them in the a$$ on the way out. If I am ever on the interview board you can be assured that you will not get the job even before you arrive on property.

None of you have any good reasons why GIA is wrong for the industry. Nor do you have any proof that there are consequences from a 500 hour pilot in the right seat of a CRJ. Why? because it goes on all the time. Regionals have hired thousands of pilots with 500 hours.

1) It allows "whores" to pay for a seat and also permits Gulfjoke not to have to hire "real" qualified pilots and pay them "real" pilot wages and compensation. Just imagine if they actually had to "hire" pilots off the streets? Things that make you go hmmm.... If only the American flying public knew that they had one qualified guy in the left seat and he is also babysitting the kid in the right seat.

2) $8.00/hr should be a slap in your face and it does nothing for the industry when it comes to negotiating compensation/wages.

3) It permits Gulfjoke to create more whores and allow them to go to Pinnacle on a "money agreement" that is in place.

4) It is a true disgrace to all parties involved.


The majority of the lower time pilots who have been hired at those times have "earned" their way there unlike you since you are "buying" your way into the industry.

One day I will be sharing a cockpit with one of you. We will look at each other and say, "everything is OK to go right?". And both of us have to trust each other to make the flight happen safely.

Just wait until play time is over and you have to justify your actions to some old salt sitting across from you at a interview once you try to move on from the regionals. Enjoy the "fun times" while they last.

You will not earn any respect from people on this board nor from most from within the industry. You are in for many surprises in the near future. I guess you are just to nieve and young to realize what you have done.

good luck

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[another747]

For those who do not know, or are mis-informed, there is NO money arangement whatsoever between Pinnacle and GIA. A public company, which Pinnacle is, must disclose ALL relevant sources of income on financial statements. All sources. A hundred GIA pilots a year getting hired at Pinnacle, if money was indeed exchanged, would be a fairly large sum of money that would need to be disclosed, with a source explanation. There is no such disclosure on Pinnacle reports, which are now public knowlege.

Basic Buisness/Financial Accounting.


There is only a couple of thousand pilots or more who PFT'd in the 90's, with many at majors.

But 350 is correct, there are SOME, who will indeed have a problem with PFT.

 

[350DRIVER]

another747,

You may be correct however there has got to be some agreement/deal in place for Pinnacle to take these guys, I have heard many things with regards to this. I surely do not think Pinnacle is doing it out of the goodness of their heart. There are many good reasons why Skywest, ExpressJet, Comair, ASA, (the list goes on and on) will not take these guys and GIA grads solely are forced to go to Pinnacle (possibly one other option as well). I praise the other regionals for not buying into this p!ss poor set up that undercuts the industry. If all regionals did this then they would not need to hire "qualified" first officers who actually "deserve" the position.

There is only a couple of thousand pilots or more who PFT'd in the 90's, with many at majors.

Correct, there was a point in time not too long ago where this PFT was in place but nothing along the lines of "renting" a seat out for 250 hours.

But 350 is correct, there are SOME, who will indeed have a problem with PFT.

It is a gamble, nothing more and nothing less. I can say from experience that more times than not this will most likely come about during an interview. I surely would not want to be the one "attempting" to justify to anyone on the other side of the table on why I decided to rent a seat out and buy a job.

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[1.3XVso]

hmmm.... If only the American flying public knew that they had one qualified guy in the left seat and he is also babysitting the kid in the right seat.

2) $8.00/hr should be a slap in your face and it does nothing for



Well that left seat person also went thru the program and of course he/she is qualified. Same deal with the F/O once we get the time upgrade to capt won't that make us qualified too?? Dude that just shows how your acting like a crying piece of Sh!T that just needs a a$$ whoopin. About the 8 bucks pay i can careless about that!! To me this is training just liek i did'nt get paid to train in the multi so brotha you can stop crying about that. Whats the diff between a kid flying his dads a/c and logging time and getting hired?

 

[The_Russian]

350 doesn't know what he's talking about. He's just angry that he didn't get the same oppurtunity. Someone who insults their fellow pilots because they didn't go the same route as they did through training has a serious additude problem. I'm sure that that shows through in the cockpit.

It is sad that people have a mentallity that tells them CFI is the only respectable way to make it to the airlines when it isn't. There are many ways to the airlines that don't involve CFI'n.

On the "qualified" comment-

These GIA F/O's are more than qualified to handle the aircraft by themselves. They have to be. The training is quite intense and the FAA looks over their actions more than other airlines. I fly regularly in an archer I rent with a fellow GIA F/O and he is a fine stick with good judgement.

Originally posted by 350driver:

I surely do not think Pinnacle is doing it out of the goodness of their heart. There are many good reasons why Skywest, ExpressJet, Comair, ASA, (the list goes on and on) will not take these guys and GIA grads solely are forced to go to Pinnacle (possibly one other option as well).

That is completely untrue. Many F/O's have gone on to COEX, Comair, Colgan, Great Lakes, etc. Once again, 350driver is just streching the truth to meet his horrid ideals.

You are treated this way because you do not deserve the time of day let alone any amount of respect from the other pilots who had to come up the ranks the hard/right way.

No 350, you do not deserve respect. Those who demand respect, shall not receive it. And what is the hard/right way? Who defines that rule? Is it on some heavenly post-it-note at the terminal in ATL?

If I am ever on the interview board you can be assured that you will not get the job even before you arrive on property.

With your additude you will never be on an interveiw board. No airline in their right mind would allow someone as arrogant, biased, and ignorant as you select pilots for their operation.

If only the American flying public knew that they had one qualified guy in the left seat and he is also babysitting the kid in the right seat.

Your misinformed and once again ingnorant self makes an assumtion of how qualified our pilots really are. You know nothing about GIA. You know nothing about the training we go through. You have the ignorance to believe that we are babysat and we only operate the flaps! We fly these aircraft with no pu$$y button (autopilot) and peform all the duties of the PF and PNF.

When you make statments like these, it proves to us all how much of and idiot you really are. I don't care if you don't like GIA. What I care about is your posts on how "we are not real pilots" or "GIA pilots are not qualified". That is simply untrue.

 

[350DRIVER]

Well that left seat person also went thru the program and of course he/she is qualified. Same deal with the F/O once we get the time upgrade to capt won't that make us qualified too?? Dude that just shows how your acting like a crying piece of Sh!T that just needs a a$$ whoopin. About the 8 bucks pay i can careless about that!! To me this is training just liek i did'nt get paid to train in the multi so brotha you can stop crying about that. Whats the diff between a kid flying his dads a/c and logging time and getting hired?

Well this just shows how little you know about the program and it's set up. They retain few of the pilots that go through this program and that is dependent on the current staffing levels. Surely not every pilot sticks around past the 250 hours that you are renting the seat out for, they have other "wonders" waiting with blank check in hand.! !! !! GIA has hired "street" captains on numerous different occasions, something they don't tell you while you are taking the "tour". I could care less about the program, I have no ties to it and will never unless I am on the interview board someday in the future but at this point it is good to sit back and get a few good laughs compliments of ya'll. You don't care about making the $8.00/hr to fly right seat, well that I guess does not surprise me since you are "paying for the seat" anyways- lol

350 doesn't know what he's talking about. He's just angry that he didn't get the same oppurtunity. Someone who insults their fellow pilots because they didn't go the same route as they did through training has a serious additude problem. I'm sure that that shows through in the cockpit.

Riiiiight.!! I am angry because I did not have the chance to "whore" myself out and rent a seat out for over $18,000 +.. That is comical. You young one are not my "fellow pilot", last I checked we have no one here that went the GIA route. Just thought I would bring that to your attention. As for the "anger" part, at 25 years of age I think I have done quite well thus far for myself but I do appreciate the concern

It is "attitude" not "additude". . . I guess it could be the kool aid having adverse effects on your brain so it is understandable. Yeah and it does show in the aircraft and sim checks, perfect track record thus far.

It is sad that people have a mentallity that tells them CFI is the only respectable way to make it to the airlines when it isn't. There are many ways to the airlines that don't involve CFI'n.

You are correct, but "whoring" yourself out and "renting" a seat out for 250 hours is not one of them. Why in the world do you think no one on this board shows you guys the time of the day? Think about it, very simple and elementary. Correct about the many ways to the airlines. My track record goes something like instruct, get the 1200TT, single pilot 135 operations, CJ, etc, BUT you know what is sad? They actually pay you for these jobs- woo hoo.
You surely have not taken a "respectable" route, obviously that is very clear by how you are not accepted or respected by any on this board.

That is completely untrue. Many F/O's have gone on to COEX, Comair, Colgan, Great Lakes, etc. Once again, 350driver is just streching the truth to meet his horrid ideals.

They go to Comair, Great Lakes, COEX after completing the 250 hours TT in the right seat? riiiiight!!!!

No 350, you do not deserve respect. Those who demand respect, shall not receive it. And what is the hard/right way? Who defines that rule? Is it on some heavenly post-it-note at the terminal in ATL?

No I do not, it comes through one's actions. If I whored myself out as you did then I could understand completely how p!ss poor you must feel being a laughing stock of this board and industry.

With your additude you will never be on an interveiw board. No airline in their right mind would allow someone as arrogant, biased, and ignorant as you select pilots for their operation.

Once again, it is "attitude". I think my track record speaks for itself so won't waste the time.

When you make statments like these, it proves to us all how much of and idiot you really are. I don't care if you don't like GIA. What I care about is your posts on how "we are not real pilots" or "GIA pilots are not qualified". That is simply untrue.

Take a look at how many posters will side with you, I will rest my case.

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