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[airbuslovely]

Russian, you are a jackass posting flame bait, but fortunately, I think you are nothing more than someone tyring to start a shlt storm.

There are many who PFT'd in the 1990's flying here at the Blue. And I know many many more at other large company's who PFT'd in the 1990's also. Those who are sharp enough,with good personalities WILL get GOOD jobs. PFT or not.

 

[Prof. Joe Vee]

Lets see, Pinnacle/JetBlue.

Two airlines that don't want a pilot force with a backbone. They want subservant slaves.

What better way to get this in the cew force than PFT clones.

No wonder the industry is a wreck.

Thanks ValueJet/AirTran 110% heroes.

 

[FN FAL]

you try flying a kingair/be1900 at 400 hours

But the fact of the matter is...YOU'RE NOT FLYING a kingair or 1900 with 400 hours. The captain is...you're just manipulating the controls.

 

[The_Russian]

Who started this???

Airbuslovely- Your buddy with the joke started this!

The rest of you...

All of you who are anti-GIA are all a$$holes. You have nothing better to do than sit on your computer at home and hate someone. Some of us at GIA did our time and are trying to perfect our resumes. I have been a respected CFI for 3 years and still continue to instruct because I love it. I love flying. I like all my friends, who are mostly pilots from all walks of life. None of us care how we got where we are now. We share a common passion in life that most cannot say they have. None of us at GIA have PFT'ed, because we didn't buy a JOB. And none of us at GIA have crossed a picket line, so why are we treated like we did?

None of you have any good reasons why GIA is wrong for the industry. Nor do you have any proof that there are consequences from a 500 hour pilot in the right seat of a CRJ. Why? because it goes on all the time. Regionals have hired thousands of pilots with 500 hours.

Now, lets say a pilot was to go fly his daddy's twin around for 200 hours and then get hired on with a total of 500 hours at a regional. That pilot would in no way be as good of a crewmember as another pilot who attended GIA and was airline trained.

I know for a fact that flight instruction has done almost nothing to help me get through airline training. It is a totally new set of regs, proceedures, and systems. INSTRUCTING AND AIRLINE FLYING ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. As a Gold Seal instructor, I think you low time pilots should listen to that statement. On the other hand, instructing does build a basis for good flying. I think everyone should do it. Not only for themselves but to put something back into the flying community.

Get over it guys. Get on with your lives. Go flying. If you can't do that, then you have a problem far worse than worrying about who attended GIA and who didn't. Soon there are going to be blacklists for both sides of the arguement and no one will be jumpseating on anyones airplane. Then people will become pilots not for flying, but to fight with someone else.

One day I will be sharing a cockpit with one of you. We will look at each other and say, "everything is OK to go right?". And both of us have to trust each other to make the flight happen safely.

 

[350DRIVER]

All of you who are anti-GIA are all a$$holes. You have nothing better to do than sit on your computer at home and hate someone. Some of us at GIA did our time and are trying to perfect our resumes. I have been a respected CFI for 3 years and still continue to instruct because I love it. I love flying. I like all my friends, who are mostly pilots from all walks of life. None of us care how we got where we are now. We share a common passion in life that most cannot say they have. None of us at GIA have PFT'ed, because we didn't buy a JOB. And none of us at GIA have crossed a picket line, so why are we treated like we did?

"Perfect" your resume? You cannot be serious, what the he!! are they putting in that Gulfjoke kool aid they make you guys drink down there? You have pretty much just screwed yourself and have made yourself into a joke. You are treated this way because you do not deserve the time of day let alone any amount of respect from the other pilots who had to come up the ranks the hard/right way. You most certainly did buy a job and "rented" a seat out in a 1900 for 250 hours, bottom line. Trust me many people do care how you got to where you are at and that will come about after you are done yanking the gear and playing with the radios. It may be a fun ride at Pinnacle but just wait until you try and advance and move on from there. You young one are in for a very abrupt and rude wake up call. I personally am friends with someone who is on a interview board and he will intentionally have the hr department get a few GIA folks just for laughs before he tells them to not let the door hit them in the a$$ on the way out. If I am ever on the interview board you can be assured that you will not get the job even before you arrive on property.

None of you have any good reasons why GIA is wrong for the industry. Nor do you have any proof that there are consequences from a 500 hour pilot in the right seat of a CRJ. Why? because it goes on all the time. Regionals have hired thousands of pilots with 500 hours.

1) It allows "whores" to pay for a seat and also permits Gulfjoke not to have to hire "real" qualified pilots and pay them "real" pilot wages and compensation. Just imagine if they actually had to "hire" pilots off the streets? Things that make you go hmmm.... If only the American flying public knew that they had one qualified guy in the left seat and he is also babysitting the kid in the right seat.

2) $8.00/hr should be a slap in your face and it does nothing for the industry when it comes to negotiating compensation/wages.

3) It permits Gulfjoke to create more whores and allow them to go to Pinnacle on a "money agreement" that is in place.

4) It is a true disgrace to all parties involved.


The majority of the lower time pilots who have been hired at those times have "earned" their way there unlike you since you are "buying" your way into the industry.

One day I will be sharing a cockpit with one of you. We will look at each other and say, "everything is OK to go right?". And both of us have to trust each other to make the flight happen safely.

Just wait until play time is over and you have to justify your actions to some old salt sitting across from you at a interview once you try to move on from the regionals. Enjoy the "fun times" while they last.

You will not earn any respect from people on this board nor from most from within the industry. You are in for many surprises in the near future. I guess you are just to nieve and young to realize what you have done.

good luck

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[another747]

For those who do not know, or are mis-informed, there is NO money arangement whatsoever between Pinnacle and GIA. A public company, which Pinnacle is, must disclose ALL relevant sources of income on financial statements. All sources. A hundred GIA pilots a year getting hired at Pinnacle, if money was indeed exchanged, would be a fairly large sum of money that would need to be disclosed, with a source explanation. There is no such disclosure on Pinnacle reports, which are now public knowlege.

Basic Buisness/Financial Accounting.


There is only a couple of thousand pilots or more who PFT'd in the 90's, with many at majors.

But 350 is correct, there are SOME, who will indeed have a problem with PFT.

 

[350DRIVER]

another747,

You may be correct however there has got to be some agreement/deal in place for Pinnacle to take these guys, I have heard many things with regards to this. I surely do not think Pinnacle is doing it out of the goodness of their heart. There are many good reasons why Skywest, ExpressJet, Comair, ASA, (the list goes on and on) will not take these guys and GIA grads solely are forced to go to Pinnacle (possibly one other option as well). I praise the other regionals for not buying into this p!ss poor set up that undercuts the industry. If all regionals did this then they would not need to hire "qualified" first officers who actually "deserve" the position.

There is only a couple of thousand pilots or more who PFT'd in the 90's, with many at majors.

Correct, there was a point in time not too long ago where this PFT was in place but nothing along the lines of "renting" a seat out for 250 hours.

But 350 is correct, there are SOME, who will indeed have a problem with PFT.

It is a gamble, nothing more and nothing less. I can say from experience that more times than not this will most likely come about during an interview. I surely would not want to be the one "attempting" to justify to anyone on the other side of the table on why I decided to rent a seat out and buy a job.

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[1.3XVso]

hmmm.... If only the American flying public knew that they had one qualified guy in the left seat and he is also babysitting the kid in the right seat.

2) $8.00/hr should be a slap in your face and it does nothing for



Well that left seat person also went thru the program and of course he/she is qualified. Same deal with the F/O once we get the time upgrade to capt won't that make us qualified too?? Dude that just shows how your acting like a crying piece of Sh!T that just needs a a$$ whoopin. About the 8 bucks pay i can careless about that!! To me this is training just liek i did'nt get paid to train in the multi so brotha you can stop crying about that. Whats the diff between a kid flying his dads a/c and logging time and getting hired?

 

[The_Russian]

350 doesn't know what he's talking about. He's just angry that he didn't get the same oppurtunity. Someone who insults their fellow pilots because they didn't go the same route as they did through training has a serious additude problem. I'm sure that that shows through in the cockpit.

It is sad that people have a mentallity that tells them CFI is the only respectable way to make it to the airlines when it isn't. There are many ways to the airlines that don't involve CFI'n.

On the "qualified" comment-

These GIA F/O's are more than qualified to handle the aircraft by themselves. They have to be. The training is quite intense and the FAA looks over their actions more than other airlines. I fly regularly in an archer I rent with a fellow GIA F/O and he is a fine stick with good judgement.

Originally posted by 350driver:

I surely do not think Pinnacle is doing it out of the goodness of their heart. There are many good reasons why Skywest, ExpressJet, Comair, ASA, (the list goes on and on) will not take these guys and GIA grads solely are forced to go to Pinnacle (possibly one other option as well).

That is completely untrue. Many F/O's have gone on to COEX, Comair, Colgan, Great Lakes, etc. Once again, 350driver is just streching the truth to meet his horrid ideals.

You are treated this way because you do not deserve the time of day let alone any amount of respect from the other pilots who had to come up the ranks the hard/right way.

No 350, you do not deserve respect. Those who demand respect, shall not receive it. And what is the hard/right way? Who defines that rule? Is it on some heavenly post-it-note at the terminal in ATL?

If I am ever on the interview board you can be assured that you will not get the job even before you arrive on property.

With your additude you will never be on an interveiw board. No airline in their right mind would allow someone as arrogant, biased, and ignorant as you select pilots for their operation.

If only the American flying public knew that they had one qualified guy in the left seat and he is also babysitting the kid in the right seat.

Your misinformed and once again ingnorant self makes an assumtion of how qualified our pilots really are. You know nothing about GIA. You know nothing about the training we go through. You have the ignorance to believe that we are babysat and we only operate the flaps! We fly these aircraft with no pu$$y button (autopilot) and peform all the duties of the PF and PNF.

When you make statments like these, it proves to us all how much of and idiot you really are. I don't care if you don't like GIA. What I care about is your posts on how "we are not real pilots" or "GIA pilots are not qualified". That is simply untrue.

 

[350DRIVER]

Well that left seat person also went thru the program and of course he/she is qualified. Same deal with the F/O once we get the time upgrade to capt won't that make us qualified too?? Dude that just shows how your acting like a crying piece of Sh!T that just needs a a$$ whoopin. About the 8 bucks pay i can careless about that!! To me this is training just liek i did'nt get paid to train in the multi so brotha you can stop crying about that. Whats the diff between a kid flying his dads a/c and logging time and getting hired?

Well this just shows how little you know about the program and it's set up. They retain few of the pilots that go through this program and that is dependent on the current staffing levels. Surely not every pilot sticks around past the 250 hours that you are renting the seat out for, they have other "wonders" waiting with blank check in hand.! !! !! GIA has hired "street" captains on numerous different occasions, something they don't tell you while you are taking the "tour". I could care less about the program, I have no ties to it and will never unless I am on the interview board someday in the future but at this point it is good to sit back and get a few good laughs compliments of ya'll. You don't care about making the $8.00/hr to fly right seat, well that I guess does not surprise me since you are "paying for the seat" anyways- lol

350 doesn't know what he's talking about. He's just angry that he didn't get the same oppurtunity. Someone who insults their fellow pilots because they didn't go the same route as they did through training has a serious additude problem. I'm sure that that shows through in the cockpit.

Riiiiight.!! I am angry because I did not have the chance to "whore" myself out and rent a seat out for over $18,000 +.. That is comical. You young one are not my "fellow pilot", last I checked we have no one here that went the GIA route. Just thought I would bring that to your attention. As for the "anger" part, at 25 years of age I think I have done quite well thus far for myself but I do appreciate the concern

It is "attitude" not "additude". . . I guess it could be the kool aid having adverse effects on your brain so it is understandable. Yeah and it does show in the aircraft and sim checks, perfect track record thus far.

It is sad that people have a mentallity that tells them CFI is the only respectable way to make it to the airlines when it isn't. There are many ways to the airlines that don't involve CFI'n.

You are correct, but "whoring" yourself out and "renting" a seat out for 250 hours is not one of them. Why in the world do you think no one on this board shows you guys the time of the day? Think about it, very simple and elementary. Correct about the many ways to the airlines. My track record goes something like instruct, get the 1200TT, single pilot 135 operations, CJ, etc, BUT you know what is sad? They actually pay you for these jobs- woo hoo.
You surely have not taken a "respectable" route, obviously that is very clear by how you are not accepted or respected by any on this board.

That is completely untrue. Many F/O's have gone on to COEX, Comair, Colgan, Great Lakes, etc. Once again, 350driver is just streching the truth to meet his horrid ideals.

They go to Comair, Great Lakes, COEX after completing the 250 hours TT in the right seat? riiiiight!!!!

No 350, you do not deserve respect. Those who demand respect, shall not receive it. And what is the hard/right way? Who defines that rule? Is it on some heavenly post-it-note at the terminal in ATL?

No I do not, it comes through one's actions. If I whored myself out as you did then I could understand completely how p!ss poor you must feel being a laughing stock of this board and industry.

With your additude you will never be on an interveiw board. No airline in their right mind would allow someone as arrogant, biased, and ignorant as you select pilots for their operation.

Once again, it is "attitude". I think my track record speaks for itself so won't waste the time.

When you make statments like these, it proves to us all how much of and idiot you really are. I don't care if you don't like GIA. What I care about is your posts on how "we are not real pilots" or "GIA pilots are not qualified". That is simply untrue.

Take a look at how many posters will side with you, I will rest my case.

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[Future SNA]

"deleted my post because arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics, even if you win, you're still retarded"

 

[1.3XVso]

Well this just shows how little you know about the program and it's set up. They retain few of the pilots that go through this program and that is dependent on the current staffing levels. Surely not every pilot sticks around past the 250 hours that you are renting the seat out for, they have other "wonders" waiting with blank check in hand.! !! !! GIA has hired "street" captains on numerous different occasions, something they don't tell you while you are taking the "tour". I could care less about the program, I have no ties to it and will never unless I am on the interview board someday in the future but at this point it is good to sit back and get a few good laughs compliments of ya'll. You don't care about making the $8.00/hr to fly right seat, well that I guess does not surprise me since you are "paying for the seat" anyways- lol

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How little i know?? Most of the "street" captains are out the MAJORITY are GIA F/O that upgraded. Of course theres dumb A$$ that forgot where they came from but set aside that. I DON"T WANT TO STAY WITH GULFSTREAM for personal matters and my goals is to fly a jet like everyone else wants too. I"m here to get the 250 and thats it !!The 8 bucks i clean my ass with. I work as a lifeguard and get paid triple that amount and i fly maybe 3 times a week. To me its a aztec on juice nothing more. I prefer renting the 1900 then a seminole or a dutch thats all to it brotha!! stop talking sh!t. Of course your mad or upset or whatever your prob is i dunno go get laid. But i respect your reason but your harping crap out thats uncall for dude. I went to gulfstream thru a friend that was a off street captain that now flys for airtran and told me to go. This man i respect and took his advice and joined and i met fellow pilots that till today there are my brothers. Now your prob gona bash me on my friend that recomended me but if your are PM me. The good thing is that theres very little of you out there that cry like a bunch of Pu$$ies and the majority are cool which i met during my training.


Chino

 

[1.3XVso]

350,


Tell me where does it say we have to go thru this route? Your 25 and what you think your **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**ing gods gift to aviation?! Dude your a piece of SH!T talking all this bullcrap like if your a 10K hour pilot.. dude get out with that sh!t. I don't respect you for being a sh!t acting all hardcore. Sit down dude.

 

[The_Russian]

25? Well it seems you are not that much older than me. Young one? I think not. Sorry I can't spell as good as you, I have to remember that you are perfect and I am not.

I am very sorry that you got to where you are so smoothly. I'm quite sure your journey is not all you make it out to be. Maybe something that happened that makes your career a bit dishonorable that you won't say on Flight Info. Well a$$hole, (because you say I'm not a fellow pilot) some of us didn't have a smooth ride or an ideal career and will do anything to stay in the lane we are in. Some of us had family hardships. I lost three flying jobs. Some people don't have the money to go to FSI, MAPD, or Comair.

And how are those schools respectable? While Comair (DCA) is a good school, you pay your way into the airline. And after Sept 11, they hire 90% of their pilots from their own academy. So what if they instructed. They jump into the right seat of an RJ with PA-44 experiance as their biggest plane. I can fly that plane on one engine on a hot day in Denver with 4 people on it until it runs out of fuel. Just because they didn't pay for 121 flying doesnt make them more honorable than us GIA guys.

FSI is bringing back the ASA PFJ program. NO INSTUCTING INVOLVED AND A FULL TIME GUARANTEED JOB. Should FSI be dishonored? Absolutely not. It is a difficult program to get through just like GIA's program. The only difference is we really fly a plane and they get Saab 2000 sim time and Seneca three time.

Your claims that this board represents all pilots is wrong. The only people who post about PFT on this board are the ones who have resentment and jealousy towards GIA guys.

I have been an istructor for three years. Gold seal for two. I have taught more people about aviation subjects than I can remember. With all that experience, I can tell exactly what kind of person/pilot you are. A horrible one. I can also smell something in your background that you did in aviation that you are not proud of. Thus, the anger towards programs like the one I am in.

You always talk about being on the interveiw board. Are you that amped up about being involved in HR just so you can take oppurtunity from others? Well that sounds just as bad as your accusations towards GIA pilots and the FO program. It sounds like you are going to take jobs from people who really deserve them. HMMMMM the irony!

Get over it 350. If you are flying a Bus already, then what do you care. Do you have something to avenge? Did somebody hurt your feelings? Did someone who knew someone tell you that they knew someone who knew the D.C. sniper and he knew a GIA guy which makes GIA guys bad. Come the fuc on man.

 

[The_Russian]

CHINO -------------- ZAT!!!!!

 

[1.3XVso]

 

[350DRIVER]

this sh!t is getting pretty deep I may have to put the boots on.

Folks it is nothing personal, just a difference of "opinions", the personal attacks will not get you anywhere within this industry. If you feel the need to attack me, my credentials, etc, etc, then feel free to do so as I promise I have nothing to hide.


My only question remaining is "IF" what you have done at GIA is so "acceptable" and not incorrect or damaging to this industry why is everyone on this board against you guys?? I do not think I have read one positive comment directed towards you?


Do a board search and see what has been said.

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[The_Russian]

350

I'm not exacly sure why everyone hates GIA. I'm also not exactly sure why you insist on spreading the hatred towards us GIA guys. You make us look like fools with rumor and opinion. When I read posts like that I cant help but defend myself and my friends.

If I was to take a wild guess as to why people on this board hate GIA, it would be because the don't understand what goes on. Or, they have no first hand experience with the program. Which is OK. I don't know about MAPD, bobby does, so I don't argue when he talks about it. And when I have, he has corrected me and I trust that the information he gives out is correct because he has been there.

When I post I try my best not to let it get personal. But, you have to understand that you are offending me directly when you post anti-GIA all the time. Also, when you post things that are untrue, it is not fair to the pilots of GIA.

 

[350DRIVER]

Fair enough with the response and I will do my best to stay away from the GIA threads from this point forward.


best of luck to you


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[1.3XVso]

350,


Theres only a small amount of people bashing gia and always the same people and your one of them. Whenever theres a PFT or GIA thread I see that your in it and some dude named bobby and others. If i would've known about this website before i started flying maybe i would've been curious about PFT and not gone that way but since i did i can't go back and its pretty cool that i went to gia.If things don't work out hey i'll go to school get a degree and instruct and wait till things get better sounds good to you? And for you to call us whores and not respecting us and what not is not cool dude. You don't even know me to be talking sh!t about me and my friend THE RUSSIAN MISCOVI and others too. @ the end theres always a happy ending like your last post 350. We're not bad people dude! I think you'll like hanging out with us. Take it easy people and fly safe.


Chino ZAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPT!