job posting found online...

[flying_gringo]

I'll bet you all have seen this already... but perhaps it will help someone.

G - IV PIC / HVN

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Type of Job: Open to all Applicants
Title of Job: G - IV PIC / HVN
Requisition #: GIVPICNortheast
Department: Operations
Open Date: August 27, 2002
Close Date: September 06, 2002
Job Type: PILOT


G- IV PIC Position available with Executive Jet Management

Full Mananged Aircraft

Located in the Northeast.
At this time the aircraft will be based in HVN, to possibly be moved after 6 months to
HPN, TEB, ISP,or FRG. Must live in an area that requires no more than a one hour drive,
under normal conditions, to the selected airport.

Schedule will vary, no guaranteed days off. Will fly when needed based on owner and
charter schedule. 2 Pilot aircraft. Will fly Part 91 and 135.
New aircraft to certificate and owner so usage is estimated at 700 hours a year, 20%
International.
A third Pilot may be added at a later date if deemed necesary due to amount of flying.

MUST meet ALL minimum qualifications to be considered:
100 hours PIC in G-IV
Total Time 4000
MEL 1500
PIC 2000
PIC MEL 500
Instrument 300
750 Jet
500 Jet PIC**


** May be reduced by DO if the candidate is upgrading in the same aircraft type in
which they have served a minimum of 250 hours as an SIC.

In order to be considered apply using the on line application. PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU
PASTE YOUR RESUME WITH THE ON LINE APPLICATION.
You will be notified by phone if selected for an interview.

found at

https://jobs.quickhire.com/scripts/qhexecjet.exe/open

good luck

 

[El Cid Av8or]

Dang! A near-perfect job flying a cool plane and my hours and ratings won't cut the cake. Oh, well, one day but not one day soon enough.

 

[Dep676]

Near perfect Job? Did you see the part about no guaranteed days off?

 

[banned username 2]

Near perfect Job? Did you see the part about no guaranteed days off?

No offense, but he has 237 hours.. he is still in the "I'll do anything to fly" mode...

 

[TAG2]

G-IV

700 hours per/year for the owner PLUS charter? I would say a 3rd pilot would be necessary. That is above average flying for corporate. You probably wouldn't see many days off.

 

[banned username 2]

Our Falcon 50EX's fly about 700 hours per year and our Falcon 900EX's fly better than 800 hours....

We have 4 pilots per aircraft and still sometimes run out of guys...

 

[avjet]

corp. flying

We just went over 825hrs. Busy year for us....

 

[banned username 2]

Re: corp. flying

We just went over 825hrs. Busy year for us....

AvJet, are you based in Arkansas???

 

[passion4flying]

Our 18+ airplanes typically do a 1000 hours a year per airplane!

 

[Humblepilot]

Hmmmmmmmmm

"No offense, but he has 237 hours.. he is still in the "I'll do anything to fly" mode..."

Falcon Captain....No offense but I have almost 4000 hours and I will do anything to fly. Perhaps that's because I have sent out 300 hundred resumes and made a couple of hundred phone calls and still haven't touched the controls since my last flight in a 767.

I am still smiling and dialing and God willing...I will find someone will to take the risk and offer me a chance to once again prove myself....

And let me add this. I might enslave myself short term to feed my family, but I would never compromise my aviation morals when it came to flying unsafe equipment, bending regs or flying fatigued.

Humble

 

[CL60]

caveat

New aircraft to certificate and owner so usage is estimated at 700 hours a year

Schedule will vary, no guaranteed days off.

A third Pilot may be added at a later date if deemed necesary due to amount of flying.

If deemed necessary? No guaranteed days off? You must be kidding! The add should read:

"Wanted, full time slave. Must be willing to go without adequate rest, pleasure, or a personal life"

I'm still amazed when I see this kind of tripe advertised. It is unfortunate evidence of how our worth as pilots is perceived by some operators... Or they don't have a clue how to manage a jet.

 

[750driver]

CL60 ... I agree with you

Even though I am not currently flying, I'm still selective about flying positions. I could never understand these guys that would do "anything" just to fly. Flying is important to me, but I only have one life ... and I'm not willing to give it up for an hour of flight time (or work for free, for that matter). If you don't have respect for yourself as a pilot, how can you expect an employer to have any?

 

[CL60]

Out of work

750,

Believe me, I've been there too and know how it feels to be out of the cockpit. I feel for all my fellow aviators out there who are grounded and do all I can to help them generate leads including giving them tips on how I developed a good job hunting strategy after years of experience at it. I like to think that the personal help I've given to some of the people on this message board has helped them, in some small way, to get back into the cockpit again.

Some poor soul will eventually take this Gbird job to feed their family or take it because they know no better... 2 years to burnout, tops.

Is it possible to obtain fair and humane working conditions for all professional pilots? Unfortunately, probably not. As long as the economics of suppy and demand are against us, there are employers out there who will take advantage of desperate people.

 

[El Cid Av8or]

I guess the beer goggles went on when I saw the need for a Gulfstream pilot.

Yes, with 237 hours, I will do anything to fly but I do have limitations to that. I have to be able to see and spend time with my family because they are 1000% supportive of my move from a boring IT job to my dream job of flying corporate jets. Right now though, If someone were willing to pay me minimum wage to finish up my ratings so I didn't have to pay out $185/hr + instructor for twin time, I'd take it and take it with pride. I call it adapt, improvise, and overcome. I'm willing to eat PB&J sandwiches for a while so I can have nice steaks later on. I just love to fly. Will flying a lot for a living burn me out? I doubt it unless I was flying crappy unmaintained aircraft and had a bunch of jerks to work with and that's all there was. Driving a race car every day hasn't changed Mark Martin's view.

700 hours/year is a lot of time to be hopping around the globe in an expensive jet. I hope the company that owns it was built on a good foundation. Paraphrasing what some folks mentioned, they will "run out of pilots" and they will do it quickly too.


See ya'll on the airways!

 

[capt_zman]

El Cid,

Get in line behind the other 10,000 $luts in front of you. There are no bargains, go spend the 185 + instructor (who happens to be ahead of you in the same line and more qualified) and wait your turn.

So sick of hearing this crap. Does nothing but destroy the industry.