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[Skyline]

Avbug

Avbug

We all have to spend time as garbage me of the skys to get to someplace good. What I don't understand is people like you who profess that you wish to stay there. I just don't understand that logic. Why intentionally put yourself in harms way and suffer low pay and bad working conditions with the intent of making a career out of it.

In my current situation I could use some flight time to freshen up my resume in hopes of scaring up a job with a hiring airline. However even that seems like a long shot these days.

In conclusion you are totally correct I have spent most of my career as skygarbage in bad jobs with low pay and dangerous working conditions all to make it to the next rung. I love to fly but I love making a good and safe living even better. The work I did when I was younger was much more satisfying and fun than my time at the airlines, but most people strive to get to the majors for the pay and working conditions.

Personally I don't care to ever sit in a lear or King air ever again, but if I want to get a better job someday I might have to. If that isn't clear then I will have to try again.

SkyLine

 

[Dangerkitty]

Avbug

We all have to spend time as garbage me of the skys to get to someplace good. What I don't understand is people like you who profess that you wish to stay there. I just don't understand that logic. Why intentionally put yourself in harms way and suffer low pay and bad working conditions with the intent of making a career out of it.

In my current situation I could use some flight time to freshen up my resume in hopes of scaring up a job with a hiring airline. However even that seems like a long shot these days.

In conclusion you are totally correct I have spent most of my career as skygarbage in bad jobs with low pay and dangerous working conditions all to make it to the next rung. I love to fly but I love making a good and safe living even better. The work I did when I was younger was much more satisfying and fun than my time at the airlines, but most people strive to get to the majors for the pay and working conditions.

Personally I don't care to ever sit in a lear or King air ever again, but if I want to get a better job someday I might have to. If that isn't clear then I will have to try again.

SkyLine

With each and every post you continue to contradict yourself.

You need therapy.

 

[avbug]

I suspect this is his therapy.

Why intentionally put yourself in harms way and suffer low pay and bad working conditions with the intent of making a career out of it.

I don't put myself in harms way. I eliminate the risk of harm. That's part of being a professional, but you ought to know that.

I guess there's that risk of getting a papercut while reviewing a load manifest, or getting a blister from too many strokes on the FMS keys...or having a little old lady threaten my personal sense of self worth by commenting on a rough landing as she deplanes...that surely would hurt, and is a big risk to one's delicate psyche. For some.

Bad working conditions? You work alongside me do you, are are you psychic? What do you know that I don't?

Intent of making a career out of it? I'm a little past intent, at this point. It's been a good career thus far.

In conclusion you are totally correct I have spent most of my career as skygarbage in bad jobs with low pay and dangerous working conditions all to make it to the next rung.

I find that rather enlightening, seeing as you've loudly professed:

I have never liked the idea and never willingly applied to a corporation for a flying job.

Dangerkitty is correct; you are a contrasting self statement according to the winds of what you wish to say. The winds apparently blow both ways.

Personally I don't care to ever sit in a lear or King air ever again, but if I want to get a better job someday I might have to.

Apparently, that day is today...

I was alerted on Friday to expect another Kingair job offer this Monday.

Peraps you'll luck out and find another job that sends you to training without even settling on salary or having an airplane to fly. So few are so fortunate.

A year ago I had another King Air opportunity. They asked for my salary requirements and I told them at least 60K. Their counter offer was almost half. I stalled and soon after the plane went away and they didn't buy it. They did however send me to King Air school and payed my whole way.

 

[Skyline]

Contradiction

Dear DK, Avbug,

I don't see the contradictions that you all talk about, but you are probably right about the posting being a kind of therapy. I am very disappointed with aviation and my career. However there is still a piece of my personality that just will not let it go. I was out there for a long time and went through a lot of hard times. I came close to reaching my dream a time or two but it slipped away at the last minute.

My friends who quit flying years ago don't waste their time on web sites like this. They don't think of flying at all anymore. I haven't gotten there yet.


My ideas are upsetting since I think they hit home with a lot of you. I am not flame bait but feel that maybe I can get some to think of these things a little sooner.

Thanks for keeping up with me. It is flattering that you follow my posting career so closely. I am sure that if we were all to meet someday that we would be friends.

Skyline,


AVbug, I though you were a tanker pilot. Are you flying corporate now?

 

[avbug]

I do several jobs, as the need, occasion, and opportunity may allow. I do not presently fly corporate.

I don't follow you, nor your "posting career," illustrious though it may be. Your inflamatory and contradictory posts are designed to draw fire for your own purposes of entertainment, and are on occasion, difficult to miss.

Likewise, so are the contradictions. You, who has never applied for a corporate job, but has worked many, and who shows great distaste for "corporate" pilots, whom you deem flying garbagemen, along with all others who are not of major airline ilk. Your regional career, which lasted not enough span to clear you of a training bond...that's what, less than a year? Your short "major airline" career upon which your sermons of crushed dreams and a dead and dying industry are founded, all juxtaposed to your desire to return to that career.

Your posting regarding the sad state of the industry, collectively condemning all who enter in and all whom might consider so, told us you were leaving the industry. You had enough. But a month or two later you're back, after doing nothing but condemning and attacking virtually every segment of the industry but your haughty own. I believe the general sentiment was not to let the door hit you in the back on the way out, and I believe few here would disagree that you shouldn't let the door hit you in the face on the way back in. Just put in a revolving door and enjoy that world of contradiction.

Hit home? No. Just an annoyance from one who has little to do but perpetuate foolish flame bait. That's you, by the way.

Your stories don't stack up, but have fun with that King Air job just the same. Even if the aircraft doesn't exist. Even if they can't decide weather to pay you sixty thousand or thirty thousand...even if they send you to school and then kick you loose scot free in the end. Watch out for that door. Here it comes again...

 

[bigD]

Sigh...more flamebait from our resident troll.

 

[pilotman121]

Flamebait!

Sigh...more flamebait from our resident troll.

I second that motion!

 

[Skyline]

Flamebait

Avbug and all interested parties,

I don't see myself as flame bait. I don't think things would be as fun around here without Skyline and others who disagree with the main group theme.

Everything I post are honestly my opinions. A lot of it goes against what most of you are in support of, but I doesn't automatically make it wrong.

I wish I was at liberty to fill in the entire picture for you. I feel obligated to remain a little vague to preserve my peace.

It was two years by the way at Horizon Air. I mistakenly thought I was clear of the training contract and was able to quit almost immediately upon my two year anniversary of my hire date and unknown to me they ran the contract from the first day off IOE. Therefore I owed an extra three months.

Additionally, much of what I post is intended for humor. I guess I need to be more obvious in the future.

I appreciate any comments you my have. No matter the spirit of the message.

Skyline

 

[Spooky 1]

DK,

You are such a gentleman. That is what I like best about you.

To answer your questions. I live in Washington State. Aviation jobs just don't pay all that well overall here. Even Lear Captains barely reach 40K. It just isn't enough money.

I have a family of four small sons. For the first time in my adulthood we have a good and peaceful life. During my aggressive pilot days we moved a lot and lived in some bad places to keep the dream alive. A move to the city to make a few thousand more a year wouldn't be worth it.

I don't know if you are married or have a family but it changes things. There are few opportunities here and what there is ain't so good. Employers know it and exploit the situation.

Skyline

You must live in Eastern Washington. 24 / 34K won't even pay rent in the slums of Seattle. Building houses has to bea far better job than flying some "rich guys" King Air. Forget the King Air job and direct all your energy to building homes, you will be a far better and happier man for it. Hell, you might even own your own King Air someday.

 

[Skyline]

Spooky

Thanks Spooky,

You are probably right. Is just hard to let go.

Skyline

 

[KigAir]

I hope I never find myself in the back of an airplane that this guy is flying. His confidence is overwhelming.

 

[Diesel]

People are impressed with your career? Who the CFI at the FBO? I'm sure even he is chuckling when you walk away.

Way to stand up for yourself though. Really amazing.

 

[Airway]

If I were in your position, I'd get out of aviation all together. There is a point when it's just not worth it, and whoring yourself for 25K, especially with your experience, isn't worth it. I'd go with your backup, if you've got one. Don't put your family through that crap all over again. Flying's great, but to an extent. There's a time when you just put your cards down and pull out. You could make more flippin' burgers on the beach in California, anyway.

 

[some_dude]

Why all the negativity towards garbage men? When I was a kid, my dream job was driving that big garbage truck!

 

[casper1nine]

that was my dream too

when i was a kid all i wanted to do was drive the "dempsy dumpster" truck, you know the kind with the forks on the front.

now, all i wanna do is free dental work on whoring low-ball 24k king air pic's.