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[beechdriver]

No hypocrite here, pal, I'll go back to a desk job before I'll whore myself out like those MESA pussies did. I hope all of them get robbed (but not hurt, just the sh*t scared out of 'em) while working their second jobs as Domino's drivers.

What a joke. Pilots on foodstamps -- thanks to MESA it's now going to happen. Nice. Real F*cking nice job, guys.

Good lord, you have GOT to be kidding me. That has got to be the most unprofessional statement I have read on this board.

 

[Jeepman]

guys (or should it be tots?).....


we'll see when contracts come under negotiations how you guys act when your a$$es are on the lines. my guess is we'll have a lot of hypocrites.

Yes, it will be interesting. Although if other pilots do vote for a substandard contract, don't call them hipocrites. They would probably realize that if they don't vote in the contract then MESA will get their flying. Although I think many pilots would probably vote no & start sending out resumes to other places, outside of aviation.


BTW, you probably make what 60K a year flying your citation. Must be nice

 

[stillaboo]

Uh-oh, is this backpedaling I see?

Yes, it will be interesting. Although if other pilots do vote for a substandard contract, don't call them hipocrites. They would probably realize that if they don't vote in the contract then MESA will get their flying.

Just as if Mesa didn't vote in their contract the flying would have most likely gone to other airlines, like Freedom. If you're not with Mesa, then you probably disagree with this statement. Then again, you aren't informed (reading the the contract doesn't make you informed, just 1/2 as clueless as others who haven't), so your opinion is just that, an uninformed guess.

If ANYONE who bashes Mesa is even associated with an airline that takes ANY kind of concessions, then the label 'hypocrite' SHOULD be shouted quite loudly. Hopefully, Mesa will raise the bar by not treating others the way they were treated, and refrain from the yelling.

Mesa didn't take ANY cuts (read the old and new Mesa contracts and see for yourself). Mainline is taking them, but they're not calling others hypocrites either. Each group must do what it must do, and ALL pilots should support each other in this fight or we'll all go down together.

Take care of your own house. If managment holds out the Mesa contract and says, "Your jobs will go to Mesa if you don't take concessions", you have two answers.

1) You're right. We are no better than Mesa. In fact, we're going to do them one better. We will accept a concessionary contract. (Mesa's contract has increases in EVERY section but one, which remained the same. The increases are small, however. The scope is great, but it is untested as of yet.)

2) Mesa's contract is crap. We will not be influenced by crap. Our current contract is unacceptable. We demand increases. We will strike or go work somewhere else before we sign a contract that doesn't include increases across the board. Oh, and ALL these increases will be compared to the best in the industry (Skywest, Commair, etc.) If the numbers are not better than the current top, we will not accept it. We do NOT lower the bar here.

So far, everyone who bashes Mesa is saying they will take option 2, and demand the best in the industry. For some pilots who are already at the top, this effort will be challenging. For others (Great Lakes, et. al.) this will almost certainly fold their airline.

If you feel the Mesa contract is too low, then speak out with something that matters, your vote! Don't vote in anything that isn't industry leading. Raise the bar back up and show the Mesa pilots what should have been in their contract.

If you bash Mesa for their contract and their failure to 'raise the bar', regardless of the unique circumstances Mesa might have faced and then take concessions or fail to raise the bar yourself, then you are a person who professes beliefs and opinions that they do not hold; you are a hypocrite. There are no excuses like "our flying will go somewhere else and our jobs will be eliminated." Nope. Pilots have said they'd 'go back to flying a desk before working for Mesa', they'd 'strike before working under the Mesa contract', 'Mesa pilot's don't have the kind of guts that I have', and they'd rather 'clean the toilets at Walmart with their tounges than work for Mesa'.

Prove it! Put your $ and your job where your mouth is! Anything less than industry leading in every category makes you a hypocrite.

If you're gonna talk the talk, then walk the picket line to get what you deserve.

Oh, and don't forget that flying an RJ might now be career job, so industry leading should be better than Delta. Strap on a sack, boys, b/c the stakes are high. The industry is depending on you. Don't let us down.

-Boo!

 

[SanJuanPlebe]

Absolutely the BEST post I have seen on this board regarding the Mesa contract.

Thanks Boo for your concise analysis without the usual emotional rhetoric.

Let's see if others will join you.

 

[beechdriver]

I agree - nicely done, Boo.

Oh, and that's a freakin hilarious avatar, Plebe!

 

[acaTerry]

Just a question for boo. You say the contract/TA has increases in every area. But I have heard that the minimum days off actually DROPPED to 8. What is the truth here? I'm not going after you. It's just an honest question.

 

[WileE]

The minimum days off for a reserve line were 8 before the new contract and they are 8 now. The minimum days off for a line was 9 under the old contract and is now 10 under the new contract.

 

[jetdriven]

min days off for a reserve pilot are 8 PER BID. we have a 28-day bid which equals 13 bids per year or 8.66 days off per month.

lineholders get ten days or 11 per month.

 

[kommutrdog]

Wow...8.66 days off per month..what will you do with all that time... probably real easy to keep a healthy relationship together with a significant other, but then again that sort of thing is not important for 75% of the pilots who voted YES.

Hey, but mesa gets to fly jets...whooppeeee.

The spouses of pilots have to be very understanding, but 8.66 days off is a little much to ask. God forbid if you commute.

Good luck to you all. Enjoy your 8.66 days off.

 

[j41driver]

min days off for a reserve pilot are 8 PER BID. we have a 28-day bid which equals 13 bids per year or 8.66 days off per month.

Wow, really??? That's a whole lot better than only having 8 days off. Give me a break.

 

[embdrvr]

For a clue as to why the situation is the way it is you have to look real hard at where Mesa get their pilots from. The better regionals like ACA, AWA, and SkyWest for example do not have too many programs like MAPD, PACE, or other Mesa style deals that put low time inexperienced pilots in the right seat. If these guys had been around the industry for a while they would be less willing to sell their soul. A lot of these guys are saying "whoopee, no more renting the 172 or the Duchess, I actually get paid to fly." The rest of us that flew 135 for a couple of thousand hours before we made it to a regional look at things a bit differently.

Don't be so hard on these guys. Many of them simply don't know any better.

 

[CitationLover]

embdrvr,

please watch out as the pedestal you were on has fallen out from under your feet. did you by chance goto embry riddle?

 

[js31pilot]

I HATE to even mention it but it would not be too hard to concieve that PFT might come back GOD FORBID.

When times are tough it is a TEST for CHARACTER........

 

[jetdriven]

its closer to 9. compare apples to apples. PLus this is only reserve pilots. line holders get 10, which is closer to 11 per month. not far off from AIRWIS who gets 12 days off per month. WOW a whole 12 more days off per year.

you guys are making more of this than it really is. Our 70 seat rates arent far from AIRWIS's newly signed 70 seat rates.

 

[embdrvr]

embdrvr,

please watch out as the pedestal you were on has fallen out from under your feet. did you by chance goto embry riddle?

I don't think you know WTF you're talking about. Embry Riddle? Give me a break a$$hole. I never had that kind of money. It was public college all the way for me. I did my ratings at local FBO's while I worked a real job outside aviation. I instructed, did a bit of corporate flying and a bunch of 135 freight. I've paid my dues so don't give me any crap about a pedestal unless you'd like that pedestal inserted (content deleted to avoid offending younger viewers).

Read my post. All I'm saying is that pilots that come out of those programs without any real world flying, life, or work experience are far more likely to vote in $hit contracts like the one just voted in by Mesa.