JL Dumps Air Tran Stock

[twepilot]

let it go. Just let it go.

RV

 

[GOULET!]

Sorry, we can't. FORKLIFT JOE! FORKLIFT JOE!

 

[CitationLover]

Funny how Joe takes the heat for what everyone else was doing.. People need to do some research..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Airlines_Flight_191

This method of engine-pylon removal was used to save man hours and was encouraged despite differences with the manufacturer's specifications on how the procedure was supposed to be performed. The accident investigation also concluded that the design of the pylon and adjacent surfaces made the parts difficult to service and prone to damage by maintenance crews. According to the History Channel[9], United Airlines and Continental Airlines were also using a one-step procedure. After the accident, cracks were found in the bulkheads of DC-10s in both fleets.

did united or continental lose an engine on takeoff and crash? and for what it is worth i mentioned the fact that others did do it.

 

[mnboyev]

Continental....did the procedure first.... Get over it.....

Good luck Joe in retirement..... See Ya !! Hopefully Bobby will make nice with our labor groups !!! I can feel the luv starting to grow !!

 

[CitationLover]

Continental....did the procedure first.... Get over it.....

Good luck Joe in retirement..... See Ya !! Hopefully Bobby will make nice with our labor groups !!! I can feel the luv starting to grow !!

again for the 1000th time, JL was RESPONSIBLE for AA (not Continental, NWA, or any other DC10 operator) and he approved THEIR procedure (no matter who else was doing it). it was an AA DC10 that crashed, not Continental, NWA, etc.

get over your JL crush.

 

[Donsa320]

again for the 1000th time, JL was RESPONSIBLE for AA (not Continental, NWA, or any other DC10 operator) and he approved THEIR procedure (no matter who else was doing it). it was an AA DC10 that crashed, not Continental, NWA, etc.

get over your JL crush.

Just to keep the record straight; NWA had P&W engines on their DC-10's and never were involved in the "procedure" or the subsequent grounding.

~DC

 

[CitationLover]

Just to keep the record straight; NWA had P&W engines on their DC-10's and never were involved in the "procedure" or the subsequent grounding.

~DC

thank you for the clarification.

 

[Kharma Police]

again for the 1000th time, JL was RESPONSIBLE for AA (not Continental, NWA, or any other DC10 operator) and he approved THEIR procedure (no matter who else was doing it). it was an AA DC10 that crashed, not Continental, NWA, etc.

get over your JL crush.

You seem to be an expert on airlines maybe you could answer what really happened with the Midwest crash in MKE? Something about stress corrosion cracking in the right engine, V1 cut issues?

http://www.ntsb.gov/publictn/1987/AAR8701.htm

 

[CitationLover]

What really happened with the Midwest crash in MKE? Something about stress corrosion cracking in the right engine?

http://www.ntsb.gov/publictn/1987/AAR8701.htm

don't know. i do know the majority of most at MEH, including some at the FAA, believe the engine blades cut the cables and the crew had no flight control input and were simply along for the ride after the engine went. the company even backed the crew and has repeatedly tried to exonerate the crew postmortem. the engine shop was outsourced at the time as midwest was fairly young in life. certainly lesson learned.

we can talk about the outsourcing of maintenance and its catastrophic results all day as two crew members died at air midwest via the same fundamental problem......

what is your point? someone asked for the origin of "forklift" and after the explanation you comeback with this? are you a JL fan too? he apparently warrants you as diversification, sorry no more foreplay from forklift.

and as for your cheap attack on midwest (again i attack your management and you come back at our pilot group) as some "points" you're trying to make, shall we review the air tran dc-9 operating history in its infancy stage?

http://www.aviationaccidentlawnews-ntsb.com/html/safetyreports.html

....
AirTran Airways
AirTran Airways received an F rating for safety. Once under ValuJet the airline was rated by the FAA for being 13 times less safe than other lower cost U.S. airplanes. A high number of AirTran’s DC-9 jetliners have been involved in a large amount of serious aircraft accidents, leading their day to day safety operations to be in question. Since 1985 AirTran Airways has had 110 fatalities, 21 FAA incidents, 7 NTSB incidents, and 39 FAA violations/fines in 1997-2000.

.....
Midwest Express Airlines
Although Midwest Express Airlines had one major plane crash accident, the airlines have not had many other airline safety problems. Since 1985 Midwest Express Airlines has had 34 fatalities, 33 FAA incidents, 6 NTSB incidents, and 9 FAA violations/fines in 1997-2000.
...

 

[CitationLover]

kharma one other thing regarding YX105. the company MENTIONS and even DESCRIBES the accident in great detail and passes out their synopsis and the NTSB synopsis during Indoc for EVERY worker at MEH. hoeksema even mentions it in his little 10 minute speech. it is a terrible reminder of failure at an airline.

i somehow do not think valujet 592 is mentioned at indoc at air tran or by fernaro when speaking to new employees. if i am wrong on this (as i have not been to air tran indoc) then i apologize.

 

[Kharma Police]

don't know. i do know the majority of most at MEH, including some at the FAA, believe the engine blades cut the cables and the crew had no flight control input and were simply along for the ride after the engine went. the company even backed the crew and has repeatedly tried to exonerate the crew postmortem. the engine shop was outsourced at the time as midwest was fairly young in life. certainly lesson learned.

we can talk about the outsourcing of maintenance and its catastrophic results all day as two crew members died at air midwest via the same fundamental problem......

what is your point? someone asked for the origin of "forklift" and after the explanation you comeback with this? are you a JL fan too? he apparently warrants you as diversification, sorry no more foreplay from forklift.

and as for your cheap attack on midwest (again i attack your management and you come back at our pilot group) as some "points" you're trying to make, shall we review the air tran dc-9 operating history in its infancy stage?

http://www.aviationaccidentlawnews-ntsb.com/html/safetyreports.html

Thanks for the clarification, and for the seven year old aviation law web site.

 

[CitationLover]

..... and for the seven year old aviation law web site.

well to be fair and balanced (like fox) it's old because air tran's recent safety history is excellent. like most companies it had it's growing pains. at the time of AA 191, they (AA) were a well established airline.

ps go giants today, beat the cowpokes.

 

[Phaedrus]

if i am wrong on this (as i have not been to air tran indoc) then i apologize.

The classic mark of a fool. If you find yourself apologizing for something immediately after opening your mouth because you aren't sure you should have said it, then you never should have said it.
And it is mentioned, nay belabored, at AAI training up to at least summer of '05.

 

[CitationLover]

The classic mark of a fool. If you find yourself apologizing for something immediately after opening your mouth because you aren't sure you should have said it, then you never should have said it.
And it is mentioned, nay belabored, at AAI training up to at least summer of '05.

Φαίδρος the JL fan too and you jinxed the giants. now the cowpokes fans will start pontificating.......

 

[Lear70]

ps go giants today, beat the cowpokes.

Too bad... so sad...

Hate it for you.

 

[FL717]

Does this guy even have a life??

look i just piss excellence ok? shake and bake!

he simply asked where the nickname came from and i told him. joe was the Mx jefe. that means the buck stops with him. he's the one who approved the cost saving measure at AA. valujet management got blamed for what they approved and looked the other way for. do you defend them for what they physically didn't do but were responsible for?

why do you love him and his hair piece?

Blah blah blah blah.....

CitationLover=1400 posts PLUS... dude...I think we get it.

You are now a big time Airline Pilot flying big jets for good company..... and you have an opinion on EVERYTHING... we get it...... but my god..... what a addicted little dweeb.


You are some internet addicted geek with a computer keyboard stuck up your @ss 24 x 7.... typing and responding incessantly to every post, spending your life on Flightinfo posting continuously like a small neglected child in a toy store.

We get it.... now give others a chance to post their viewpoints without the craving need you have to respond to every single viewpoint.

If you'd log off and try to find a real living woman that will possibly have sex with you.... I assure you Flightinfo won't seem so important anymore....

We get it.... why don't you??

 

[RadioClash]

i somehow do not think valujet 592 is mentioned at indoc at air tran or by fernaro when speaking to new employees. if i am wrong on this (as i have not been to air tran indoc) then i apologize.

Mentioned in my interview in Nov '05 and indoc in Nov '05. Put that in your pipe and smoke it. Get over it, life moves on.

 

[Max Powers]

Yeah but come on, the stock market is now the laughing stock market. Google 700.00 yeah ok!!!A nd United at 56.00, and may be parking planes and still work 56 a share=NOT

Its all about the assets airtran has very few United has very lots.

 

[Yuppyguppy]

SOOO let me try to understand the logic, Joe was running the forklift that day? Or was it Joe that told the crew to take lunch and leave the forklift in place? Or was it Joe who approved the proceedure? And Joe ordered the airplanes without stickshakers? Was joe loading bags too?

Joe screwed up pal...and by the way should'nt you have a contract...it's been 2 years and let's see 8 months? Where in the hell are the balls at Airtran?

 

[fletch717]

In your wife's mouth