JetBlue's system bid

[linepilot]

I hope it's not ALPO the last two ALPO contracts were concessionary contracts and pilots took pay cuts! It also did not take long at all for ALPA to agree to that as well.
I don't think any pilots should be taking paycuts at all right now....ALPO DOES! Massive conflict of interest with ALPO. How can they represent Majors and regionals? I don't want my dues going anywhere but for JB pilot interests like SWAPA and the APA and maybe soon DPA?!

Yes!!! YES!!!

In house!!

THAT will empower the lambs!

Just think! Zero foresight, zero fortitude, and ZERO DOLLARS!!!

THAT'S a winning recipe!

 

[linepilot]

Awesome!

pay and concessions here we come! Just like the last two APLO contracts can't wait!

You seem oblivious to the goings on at jetblew of the last 10 years?

How very lamb like.

 

[hyperboy]

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You seem oblivious to the goings on at jetblew of the last 10 years?

How very lamb like.

We can all have an opinion? Right? you attack? because you hide? Why?

 

[pilotpayne]

Not at this age. I'll stay and remind you all year after year what gentle little lambs you are. Be professional little lambs. Take your time. You're all young and fabulous. :laugh:

You are an idiot.
How many years will you have left?
How sad is your life?

 

[RiddleEagle18]

Come on hyper boy. What was the last concession contract signed by a major ALPA airline.


ALPA representation at a regional and a major/lcc are 2 very different things.

An in house union will get slaughtered here!

 

[$$$4nothin]

I hope it's not ALPO the last two ALPO contracts were concessionary contracts and pilots took pay cuts! It also did not take long at all for ALPA to agree to that as well.
I don't think any pilots should be taking paycuts at all right now....ALPO DOES! Massive conflict of interest with ALPO. How can they represent Majors and regionals? I don't want my dues going anywhere but for JB pilot interests like SWAPA and the APA and maybe soon DPA?!

You should really stop drinking and posting hyperboy.

 

[BeachBummer]

I hope it's not ALPO the last two ALPO contracts were concessionary contracts and pilots took pay cuts! It also did not take long at all for ALPA to agree to that as well.
I don't think any pilots should be taking paycuts at all right now....ALPO DOES! Massive conflict of interest with ALPO. How can they represent Majors and regionals? I don't want my dues going anywhere but for JB pilot interests like SWAPA and the APA and maybe soon DPA?!

You and line pilot should hook up... Opposite ends of the spectrum... Both dumb as a bag o hammers.

 

[BeachBummer]

Awesome!

pay and concessions here we come! Just like the last two APLO contracts can't wait!

Out of curiosity... Which major airlines have taken a pay cut? Any airlines that fly their own seats? Or was it just the CPA rj turbo prop we need the next contract to survive airline?

Never mind... I know

 

[linepilot]

You and line pilot should hook up... Opposite ends of the spectrum... Both dumb as a bag o hammers.

Foresight and deduction like an oracle for 11 years now.

You should be so dumb.

It's painful to know the future when you work with dolts who can't see beyond the next bid period.

 

[hoover84]

Out of curiosity... Which major airlines have taken a pay cut? Any airlines that fly their own seats? Or was it just the CPA rj turbo prop we need the next contract to survive airline?

Never mind... I know

Are we talking pre 9/11 contract dollars or post BK contracts?

 

[kommutrdog]

I'll sign on to Delta's "concessionary contract" without blinking an eye.

Hyperboy, you need to get out of your regional pilot mindset. You are exactly the kind of weak-minded individual that bluejet loves. It helps keep the expectations amongst the lambs down.

And your dreams of an in-house "union" is pure fantasy. Ask a FedEx pilot how well that worked out.

ALPA has its issues but for bluejet pilots it's the only game in town.

 

[ATR-DRIVR]

Awesome!

pay and concessions here we come! Just like the last two APLO contracts can't wait!

How many pages were your last two"ALPO" contracts?? Did you have a nice pamphlet sent to your house that was nearly twice as long as the actual contract explaining how it was so awesome and you needed to sign right away? Don't worry about having anyone look at it - except your "neighbor"...?

 

[Ski-N-Fly]

Awesome!

pay and concessions here we come! Just like the last two APLO contracts can't wait!

Really? Let's compare apples to apples.......

FACT: Alaska Airlines and ALPA signed a TA June 6, 2013. The TA was ratified by the pilots July 10, 2013. The contract became amendable April 1, 2013.

From a press release (http://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...lots-ratify-five-year-contract-215057491.html).......

"The contract increases pay by nearly 20 percent over the life of the agreement and contains job security and work rule improvements. It also protects pilots' retirement and insurance benefits."

This is a major airline contract and is anything but concessionary. JetBlue is also a major airline and has twice as many pilots. Compared to our peers, JetBlue pilots lack in every category (pay, retirement, healthcare care, work rules, etc) while the company makes record profits. I've been here 9 years and have seen concessions forced upon us to this day. Without strong representation, this company will continue to rob Peter to pay Paul. They are laughing all the way to the bank at our expense. Fortunately, the majority has finally seen the light. The DR is currently on life support, and the plug is about to be pulled.

"In business, you don't get what you deserve. You get what you negotiate."

 

[boomlrd]

Spirit went on strike for ALPA in order to sign a concessionary contract. Plus we were sent back to work without a vote or even seeing the TA for nearly 3 weeks, while ALPA had propaganda roadshows that forced many to vote yes. ALPA is not the answer, in house could work well for Blue. Good luck!

 

[kommutrdog]

How are Spirit's work rules? Healthcare/prescription drug plans? Fragmentation language? One has to look at much more than the simple "dollars-per-hour" column.

We all know ALPA's shortcomings and some of it's failures. Lots of us, including me have lived with them. However, we are starting from zero and ALPA is the only game in town. An in-house union would simply be another distraction; a company-sponsored Trojan horse designed to placate the weak-minded and "less-engaged".

Bluejet has enough 100s of millions of dollars to build an international terminal in JFK and a crew hotel in Orlando, but it doesn't have enough money to provide an acceptable healthcare/prescription drug plan for the very rank-and-file employees that make this whole circus go???

Unacceptable!

 

[Fins Up]

How are Spirit's work rules? Healthcare/prescription drug plans? Fragmentation language? One has to look at much more than the simple "dollars-per-hour" column.

We all know ALPA's shortcomings and some of it's failures. Lots of us, including me have lived with them. However, we are starting from zero and ALPA is the only game in town. An in-house union would simply be another distraction; a company-sponsored Trojan horse designed to placate the weak-minded and "less-engaged".

Bluejet has enough 100s of millions of dollars to build an international terminal in JFK and a crew hotel in Orlando, but it doesn't have enough money to provide an acceptable healthcare/prescription drug plan for the very rank-and-file employees that make this whole circus go???

Unacceptable!

Truth. It's just business.

 

[hyperboy]

ALPA is ALPA

Really? Let's compare apples to apples.......

FACT: Alaska Airlines and ALPA signed a TA June 6, 2013. The TA was ratified by the pilots July 10, 2013. The contract became amendable April 1, 2013.

From a press release (http://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...lots-ratify-five-year-contract-215057491.html).......

"The contract increases pay by nearly 20 percent over the life of the agreement and contains job security and work rule improvements. It also protects pilots' retirement and insurance benefits."

This is a major airline contract and is anything but concessionary. JetBlue is also a major airline and has twice as many pilots. Compared to our peers, JetBlue pilots lack in every category (pay, retirement, healthcare care, work rules, etc) while the company makes record profits. I've been here 9 years and have seen concessions forced upon us to this day. Without strong representation, this company will continue to rob Peter to pay Paul. They are laughing all the way to the bank at our expense. Fortunately, the majority has finally seen the light. The DR is currently on life support, and the plug is about to be pulled.

"In business, you don't get what you deserve. You get what you negotiate."

http://www.bizjournals.com/memphis/news/2013/01/03/pinnacle-airlines-pilots-get-9-pay.html



http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/...t-allows-lower-pay-rates-for-new-pilots.html/

This is totally a conflict of interest! Regional or major? I would rather save my money for concessions?

 

[RiddleEagle18]

We are NOT a fee for departure airline.

You can not compare their contracts with ours.

I do however agree with you that a conflict of interest exist but an in house option is not available.

If you want an in house have you started collecting cards? Do you have a plan for dues and initial assessment?

Do you have aeromedical set up? Legal? All these start day 1 at ALPA.

 

[N311HK]

Well if anyone cares, back to the thread. JFK 190 CA went almost to the 2000's (1994) I think.

 

[$$$4nothin]

1981 is now the most junior Captain. 1981 is about 3 years senior.

FLL and LGB went to the most junior 320 pilots on the list. They are actually still listed as being on IOE. So other than MCO it looks like a new hire can have any base they want during the first bid cycle if they are not lucky enough to hold it right out of class. Airplane dependent of course.