jetBlue's RJ's

[Dizel8]

Once more for the choir: jetBlue does not have a "special" maintenance deal with Airbus, what we have is warranties. ie a certain amount of landings per brake, a certain amount of engine time, etc, etc. This is common in most industries and is an advantage of buying new. I am certain Delta has it on their new Boeings, as does UAL, AA, NWA.

I am sure the same kind of deal is extended to U on the E-170 and jetBlue will get it on the E-190

The only difference between jetBlue and a legacy carrier is the age of the fleet, obviously newer a/c's are less mx intensive than older models. There is no doubt, that jetBlue's mx copst will increase, Neeleman has not been shy to say that, I think the number mentioned was 1 cent a mile, however, the co expects these to be offset by economy of scale.

 

[Heavy Set]

A good "finance" package can cover any "operational" savings derived from common fleets. Look at Easyjet in Europe - all 737 fleet until Airbus made them a deal they couldn't refuse on new A319s - the financing savings and special "discounts" fully covered any benefit from a common fleet.

Happens all the time.... It takes savvy negotiating and JetBlue execs appear to be pretty savvy...

 

[LearAv8r]

For example, Delta is Boeing's best customer.

Sorry to burst your bubble General but I kind of doubt that claim......


Regardless, congrats to Delta on recalling some of the furloughees...nice to see that things are not all that bad for everyone.

Lear-

 

[Reebo]

I think UAL is Boeings biggest/best customer. They fly the 73,74,75,76, and the triple seven

 

[General Lee]

I am not trying to brag or anything, but Delta currently has the most Boeing aircraft---especially since they bought McDonell Douglas---It is true from a parts issue and the shear number of Boeing and McDon Dug planes--and we have no Airbuses like United.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Kid Charlemagne]

No grandfathering in A320 pay

Eagleflip,

I can lay this rumor to rest right now. I too had been hearing for some time that the intial cadre of Airbus pilots who bid down to the 190 would be grandfathered in at A320 pay rates, at least for a period of time. The theory being that this might encourage some more experienced JetBlue pilots to help get the EMB190 fleet up and running.

Well, I had Al on the jumpseat a couple of weeks ago and asked him about this and he said he wasn't gonna happen. Since I had heard this rumor so many times I wanted to verify...so I asked him a second time and he made it very clear - any A320 pilot who bids over to the EMB190 WILL take a pay cut...period. So much for the rumor....

One other thing. He also confirmed that there will be a 2 year lock-in for each fleet. But that is the only limitation....there is no lifetime limit. So if you have 20 years to go, you could theoretically switch back and forth between fleets like 10 times.

He didn't mention what pay-rates would be. Perhaps they're still working on it. Since most line pilots seem to be hoping for and expecting a raise for the A320 pay rates....maybe it will all be announced at the same time. We shall have to wait and see... In the meantime, it's all good. Profits are up and CASM is down and life is good!!

Happy Landings!!!

 

[Reebo]

I am not trying to brag or anything, but Delta currently has the most Boeing aircraft---especially since they bought McDonell Douglas---It is true from a parts issue and the shear number of Boeing and McDon Dug planes--and we have no Airbuses like United.





I guess i wasnt thinking of the MD80 as a boeing aircraft. My bad

 

[General Lee]

Reebo,

I know, it is hard to think that way. I personally hope we choose the A318 for our EVENTUAL new 100 seat aircraft. I have flown in the back of a Northwest A319, and thought it was very comfortable, and the cockpit was spacious. I think having so many "Boeing" planes is a disadvantage---but apparently Delta and Boeing are trying to come up with a "single cockpit"---or avionics package for the 737-800, 757/767 (at a $2million per aircraft install), 767-400, and 777---and the 737-600 might fall into that too. Who knows? I hope we first start getting a little bit more profitable first......

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[jetblue320]

I am not trying to brag or anything, but Delta currently has the most Boeing aircraft---especially since they bought McDonell Douglas---It is true from a parts issue and the shear number of Boeing and McDon Dug planes--and we have no Airbuses like United.





I guess i wasnt thinking of the MD80 as a boeing aircraft. My bad

What has that got to do with jetBlue EMB190's?

You are free to start another thread on this forum anytime you want. Go for it.

 

[jetblue320]

Re: No grandfathering in A320 pay

Eagleflip,

I can lay this rumor to rest right now. I too had been hearing for some time that the intial cadre of Airbus pilots who bid down to the 190 would be grandfathered in at A320 pay rates, at least for a period of time. The theory being that this might encourage some more experienced JetBlue pilots to help get the EMB190 fleet up and running.

Roger that. That rumor got started by someone that was dreaming! It was never even considered to "entice" the A320 Cappies to swap to the E190 and lock their A320 pay. The enticement will be with QOL issues like basing, bidding seniority and whatnot. There will be enough "senior" dudes hopping to the 190 for nothing other than QOL. Money isn't everything, but it helps however.

And no, I'm not one of the "hoppers"!

See ya around campus.

 

[Eagleflip]

Kid C--

Got it. Thanx for the current gouge!

 

[colorado418]

Why, then would Jetblue want to jeopardize their success by operating 2 types of a/c? A differnt size Airbus would be fine, but they are looking at an a/c not even made on the same continent. I have never flown on JetBlue or for that matter even seen one of the planes, but everything I have read about the company shows me that they have made some very smart decisions. I hope that this subject is thought through some more.

Just my $.02

From what I understand, the 318 was indeed looked at with much interest. For obvious reasons, this would seem to be the logical choice.

The 318 would be a "heavy" 100 seat aircraft compared to the 190. You are basically taking fuselage out of the 320 to make it. It was not really designed to be a 100 seat aircraft. Lots of weight left after all the redesign. The 190 was designed more for that market and is better suited for it.

This is how it was explained to me by Lanny and Al.

Clear as mud???