JetBlue to adjust E190 pay

[Spectre]

So, here's to all the naysayers out there. This was all done without ALPA's help. How many airlines out there have management approach its employee group to say we deserve a pay adjustment upward? This adjustment also includes some backpay:

E190 Captains and First Officers will each receive a pay adjustment equal to five hours of premium pay for each month they were qualified on the aircraft between June and December 2006 and $250 for each month of E190 service between the same months. An E190 compensation adjustment is also being finalized and it will be announced in early-mid December.

I'm sure some will still find a negative angle to this announcement. So let it fly. Happy Thanksgiving everyone!

 

[michael707767]

I'm sure some will still find a negative angle to this announcement. So let it fly. Happy Thanksgiving everyone!

nope, no negative from me. In fact, it supports something I have said all along. Better to get the airplane on property now and worry about the pay rates later. I don't have any problem with the current E-190 rates at Delta or USAirways. Once the airplane is there, the rates can be worked on later. You can never fix the rate on an airplane someone else is flying.

 

[General Lee]

Are you sure the pay increase wasn't tied to the E190s doing nonstop transcon turns at night? Only allnighters, with mostly cargo (livestock) onboard? That is what I have heard.... Happy Thanksgiving!


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[GCAP]

Are you sure the pay increase wasn't tied to the E190s doing nonstop transcon turns at night? Only allnighters, with mostly cargo (livestock) onboard? That is what I have heard.... Happy Thanksgiving!


Bye Bye--General Lee

For your piece of "the claim" and 'the note" you would fly for free and perform any sexual favors they (the JB pilots )desire. You should keep your mouth shut.

 

[General Lee]

For your piece of "the claim" and 'the note" you would fly for free and perform any sexual favors they (the JB pilots )desire. You should keep your mouth shut.

Wow, you can't take a joke. You really sound dumb now. You are nuts.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[regionaltard]

They pay you 60% of what you should be getting even in these depressed times and give you back even as much as 20% (not holding my breath, btw), you're still down 20% any way you look at it.

 

[IB6 UB9]

They pay you 60% of what you should be getting even in these depressed times and give you back even as much as 20% (not holding my breath, btw), you're still down 20% any way you look at it.

I need something positive from you or the General or I'm pulling the thread!

 

[dojetdriver]

They pay you 60% of what you should be getting even in these depressed times and give you back even as much as 20% (not holding my breath, btw), you're still down 20% any way you look at it.

You're right. They are really taking it in the shorts by being paid 60% of what they should. Because as we all know, the majors/lagacies are getting paid 100% of what they desreve or had before being bent over.

 

[FlyAuburn]

This is the second time this year we have received a "190 bonus." Both times was a significant amount of money for first year pay anywhere. Of course, there will always be complainers. It is what it is.

 

[B6Driver]

They pay you 60% of what you should be getting even in these depressed times and give you back even as much as 20% (not holding my breath, btw), you're still down 20% any way you look at it.

The fact remains that what you think and say matters very little if at all.
Time will tell but if and when things do improve pay wise, I expect your apology will be forth coming.

 

[XBOEINGDRVR]

michael707767 said it best, my opinion its a start and a least its moving forward and not back, and the flying is in house- not a regional

 

[Yuppyguppy]

I guess the pay all comes down to the lowest denominator doesn't it? Hmmm wonder who those people are or should I say were.

 

[Lear70]

michael707767 said it best, my opinion its a start and a least its moving forward and not back, and the flying is in house- not a regional

It's pretty funny you should mention that. My buddy who works there regularly delineates the difference between the two by calling the Airbus side of the house "mainline".

I think it's great they're finally addressing this. Good for you guys and I agree, I still don't think JB needs a union - the company still does the right thing for the employees 90% of the time from what I hear and read.

As long as they're doing that, I don't see the need for change. Hope the rates are something that you guys like and can live with long-term, as the upgrade or transition times for guys hired from now going forward will be in the right seat on the 190 for a good while.

 

[RP 04]

What's the big news..., a bunch of cabin cleaners getting a raise.. Stupid me, I thought this was an aviation board.

 

[Diesel-9]

I thought JetBlue was a regional. The Major airline regional operations are 2-4 times bigger.

 

[ualdriver]

So, here's to all the naysayers out there. This was all done without ALPA's help. How many airlines out there have management approach its employee group to say we deserve a pay adjustment upward? This adjustment also includes some backpay:

E190 Captains and First Officers will each receive a pay adjustment equal to five hours of premium pay for each month they were qualified on the aircraft between June and December 2006 and $250 for each month of E190 service between the same months. An E190 compensation adjustment is also being finalized and it will be announced in early-mid December.

I'm sure some will still find a negative angle to this announcement. So let it fly. Happy Thanksgiving everyone!

I'm assuming premium pay is time and a half? (i.e. the pay you get over 70 hours?). $72/hr base pay E190 Captain 2nd year?

Normal 80 hr. month for E190 Captain = $76.50/hr (based on $72/hr)
"Bonus" 80 hr. month for E190 Captain = $86.38/hr (assuming above "bonuses" math shown below, premium time = time*1.5?)

Normal 80 hour month = ((72*70)+[(72*1.5)*10])= $6120/80 = $76.50/hr.
Bonus 80 hour month = $6120 + [((5*1.5)*72)+250] = $6910/80 = $86.38/hr

Feel free to check my math! So you temporarily get about $86.38/hour as a 2nd year Captain of a 25 million dollar, 100 seat jet. What is the final hourly rate expected to be in mid December?

 

[TriStar_drvr]

So the pay rate is still low, but so is mine. At least JetBlue is moving in the right direction.

Happy Thankgiving.

 

[J32driver]

Feel free to check my math!

No need to check your math because everyone is thinking about this too hard.

JetBlue is essentially writing these guys a check worth about $3,000 each and saying "thanks for your patience and stand by for the real raise to be announced in a couple of weeks".

Thats it, nothing more, nothing less.

 

[B-J-J Fighter]

So the pay rate is still low, but so is mine. At least JetBlue is moving in the right direction.

Happy Thankgiving.

Are you still at ATA?

 

[roadrunnerblue]

So, here's to all the naysayers out there. This was all done without ALPA's help. How many airlines out there have management approach its employee group to say we deserve a pay adjustment upward? This adjustment also includes some backpay:

E190 Captains and First Officers will each receive a pay adjustment equal to five hours of premium pay for each month they were qualified on the aircraft between June and December 2006 and $250 for each month of E190 service between the same months. An E190 compensation adjustment is also being finalized and it will be announced in early-mid December.

I'm sure some will still find a negative angle to this announcement. So let it fly. Happy Thanksgiving everyone!

OK, nice for the 190 guys and they deserve it.

But let's not forget, that this raise is the direct result of the JB pilots complaining about it for months on their own website. Managment reads those postings as well and are merely responding to an steadily deteriorating mood among the JB pilots.

Barger at the inception of the 190 program clearly stated that they (mgmt.) would pay what the market would bare. JB already lost 60 or so pilots this year and many from the 190 ranks. Every 190 Capt. leaving results in a trickle down effect of approx. $50000 in training costs.

Gentlemen it is clearly a financial decision brought about by pressure from the JB pilots, no mgmt. benevolence! Just like was the case when the first pay raise occurred in 2001. Then there was a massive exodus for the majors that were hiring at that time.

If they think that a raise is necessary now, why did they not start off with the current scales? All BS!