Jetblue pilots begin organization drive...

[skykid]

Fix what? I like what I see, I have great work rules, benefits, pay, if you don't, you fix it.

I will be a part of improving compensation at my company just like I did this last time. Most would say we lead the industry now in compensation (I work for a non-passenger carrying company based in the midsouth), I say there is room for improvement.

You haven't looked around lately have you, pay for every profession is stagnant or retracting, deal with it brother.

What we need to deal with is pilots who will fly as airbus Captains for First Officer wages. If you are at a so called legacy and took a 30% paycut to live to fight another day, okay, you probably have the same goal. I'm concerned about the people willing to fly shiny new jets as Captains for First Officer or Flight Engineer wages. Don't do it.

 

[HA25]

I'm concerned about the people willing to fly shiny new jets as Captains for First Officer or Flight Engineer wages. Don't do it.

Skybus out of Columbus OH is starting up a A320 operation that will pay CP's $65/hr to start.. That's less than a Muni Bus driver in NYC.

XtraAir pays 737 CP's $73/hr..

MaxJet pays 767-300ER CPs $93,000/yr

it's already begun.. B6 was just the horn that sounded the charge.

 

[Dave's kid]

I'm usually not one to wish ill on others, but I can tell you that if you think you're going to retire after a long career with no ups and downs from Jet Blue, you're living in a world of denial. Time will tell.. I'm done with this tread.

He said he was done, when is he going to leave?

 

[HA25]

He said he was done, when is he going to leave?

When he dang well feels like it.. "kid"

I love when people have no argument but to argue.

 

[Dave's kid]

I think you're wrong about ALPA and angry at something. Maybe your dad didn't tell you he loved you enough, who knows?

I know that ALPA, or any other union, will not gain a foothold at JetBlue any time soon. The pilots on this site praising the benefits of ALPA at JetBlue, don't work at JetBlue, so a discussion on this board about an organization drive at JetBlue is pointless. So why argue about it here? I come to this board for entertainment, I argue where my argument will really matter.

So I am just pointing out that you said three pages ago you were "done with this tread", and I would like to point out to the other people reading this thread that when you say something, you must not really mean what you say.

 

[Fins Up]

I had to chuckle seeing V7's posts after being done with the thread. If you're done with it, don't even read it. You'll be too tempted to make a liar out of yourself. Is it a big deal? No. Just noticeable.

 

[clickclickboom]

Skybus out of Columbus OH is starting up a A320 operation that will pay CP's $65/hr to start.. That's less than a Muni Bus driver in NYC.

XtraAir pays 737 CP's $73/hr..

MaxJet pays 767-300ER CPs $93,000/yr

it's already begun.. B6 was just the horn that sounded the charge.

Uh actually the legacy waste and excess was in action long before jetblue came around.. It was a couple of boeing jets flying 450 mph into the towers that exacerbated the situation leading to thousands of legacy pilots on the street needing employment. Companies like max jet, eos, and xtra literally had thousands of Ready, Willing, and Able pilots ready to go. Mgmt knew it and so did the pilots..

So how again is this JB's fault with A320 narrowbody capt's making anywhere from $130 to $180k per year?

Gemini Yr 1 Capt 630,500lbs MGTOW $83 per hr
Skybus Startup 169,000lbs A320 $65 hr
Jb A320 Capt $110 hr
FDX Wide Capt $185
Ups $165

 

[HA25]

Being that most JB Captains are at the 5-7 years mark... explain to me how they're making anything more than 130K/yr based on what is public record?

If a 6 year JB CP is making $180K and a FO's at 60% of that.. I'll back off, and even apologize to all of you for saying you're bringing down wages. But everything I've read tells me your figures are 50K/yr off..

Lets not get into work rules, on and off the clock.. that' a whole different animal.

http://airlinepilotcentral.com/airlines/major-national-lcc/jetblue.html

 

[clickclickboom]

Being that most JB Captains are at the 5-7 years mark... explain to me how they're making anything more than 130K/yr based on what is public record?

If a 6 year JB CP is making $180K and a FO's at 60% of that.. I'll back off, and even apologize to all of you for saying you're bringing down wages. But everything I've read tells me your figures are 50K/yr off..

Lets not get into work rules, on and off the clock.. that' a whole different animal.

http://airlinepilotcentral.com/airlines/major-national-lcc/jetblue.html

Not interested in a new argument with you here on flight info find someone else..

Your avatar shows a Gemini Md11 Yr 1 capt on that bird is $83 so whats all this about bringing down the profession?

 

[Bavarian Chef]

Being that most JB Captains are at the 5-7 years mark... explain to me how they're making anything more than 130K/yr based on what is public record?

If a 6 year JB CP is making $180K and a FO's at 60% of that.. I'll back off, and even apologize to all of you for saying you're bringing down wages. But everything I've read tells me your figures are 50K/yr off..

Lets not get into work rules, on and off the clock.. that' a whole different animal.

http://airlinepilotcentral.com/airlines/major-national-lcc/jetblue.html

I just flew with a cap'n that made about 175k last year. Sold PTO, flew a ton though.

 

[HA25]

Not interested in a new argument with you here on flight info find someone else..

Your avatar shows a Gemini Md11 Yr 1 capt on that bird is $83 so whats all this about bringing down the profession?

I'm new at Gemini, and I think hey have a lot of upside potential and are fast on their way to recovery.

Before I was hired, and a while back, it didn't used to be that bad.. but there are bottom dwellers in the ACMI world making less, and non-union work rules as well. Add to that the economic downturn that lead to GAC's Ch11, and the concessionary contract is what it is.. In the end, the mediators that would have looked at our wages against many of the new ACMI's starting today would have told our ALPA that we had to accept the crap wages, or make our company non-competative.

Once again, all thanks to the fact that other pilots are willing to work for less..

Gemini has to compete with those companies, or go out of business.

But thanks for helping me make my point.. Southwest is the Gemini/Atlas and JetBlue, Virgin America, and SkyBus are the Cargo360, Centurion, and Focus Air ...

Just change the names.. the story remains the same.

 

[Falconjet]

Uh actually the legacy waste and excess was in action long before jetblue came around.. It was a couple of boeing jets flying 450 mph into the towers that exacerbated the situation leading to thousands of legacy pilots on the street needing employment. Companies like max jet, eos, and xtra literally had thousands of Ready, Willing, and Able pilots ready to go. Mgmt knew it and so did the pilots..

So how again is this JB's fault with A320 narrowbody capt's making anywhere from $130 to $180k per year?

Gemini Yr 1 Capt 630,500lbs MGTOW $83 per hr
Skybus Startup 169,000lbs A320 $65 hr
Jb A320 Capt $110 hr
FDX Wide Capt $185
Ups $165

Not to pick nits, but FedEx widebody Capt pay for year 2 is 206 per hour.
Narrowbody Capt pay is 175 per hour at year 2.

FJ

 

[HA25]

Not to pick nits, but FedEx widebody Capt pay for year 2 is 206 per hour.
Narrowbody Capt pay is 175 per hour at year 2.

FJ

Plus Fedex is to Gemini what Delta is to ASA.. The equipment may be similar, but the company (Fedex) has a market cap equal to most, if not all the Airlines flying today combined.. it's not an "Airline"... but it has an airline operating with in it.

Comparing WN and B6 is more of an apples to apples.. and there we see a 50% pay difference or more..

 

[sandman2122]

At FedEx you don't upgrade to Widebody Captain in ONE year clickclickboom.........we don't hire into the left seat regardless what's published in the contract, they may have years ago in the Falcon, but not now.........that's the $$ figure you quoted.

I believe the youngest 727 Captains are @ the 5 year point = $177 this year going up to $182 at DOS +1 year.

I also believe the youngest widebody Captains are @ the 9-10 year point = $211 this year going up to $217 at DOS +1 year.

There's mulitple varibles which include hire date, domestic/international ops, extra flying and domicile location just to name a few........your milage may vary.

 

[FNG_that's me]

The answer to all this 'race to the bottom', fingerpointing and self-justification is unity. The best path towards unity is nationwide representation. You're either on the team, or your against the team. I'm not completely discounting in-house as a decent option, but very few do anything for the profession as a whole, or even help themselves out much either. You may think that it does, but not as much as it seems.