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MSNBC showed footage that a passenger shot using a camcorder DURING THE BRACE PROCEDURE for the emergency landing of the now famous Jetblue flight in LAX.

FAA, NTSB...HELOOOOO? Please pick up on this!!!

Apparently there were several NBC employees onboard the aircraft. I believe it was one of them that had a camcorder in his hand, rolling while they landed.

"All portable electronic devices must be turned off and completely stowed for landing."

Some astute FA's will add, "That means anyting with an on-off switch."

Most passengers are clueless. They dont know a "good landing" from a controlled crash, a Great Pilot from an average Joe Shmoe just using the autoland.

Nobody gets that the PF wasted 3000+ feet of good tarmac trying to grease the landing thereby jeopardizing safety. Not MSNBC, certainly not most of the general public.

This video footage illustrates a problem, and I hope someone gets it.
 

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Twisted logic or a blue coup?

JetBlue's Bumpy Landing
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Texasskicker said:
Nobody gets that the PF wasted 3000+ feet of good tarmac trying to grease the landing thereby jeopardizing safety. Not MSNBC, certainly not most of the general public..

Combined they didn't use TR's or GLD's.... (for a good reason)

It was noticed, but it is ingrained in our heads to touchdown with that greaser mentality.... A firm touchdown on the 1000ft marker is considered "unskilled"

The main wheel brakes worked, combined with the cyclops brake upfront, allowed the aircraft to be slowed....

They did well so let em enjoy it......
 

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Texasskicker said:
Nobody gets that the PF wasted 3000+ feet of good tarmac trying to grease the landing thereby jeopardizing safety. Not MSNBC, certainly not most of the general public.

I hate snapperheads second guessing things before they think them through.

He didn't use spoilers because he was trying to keep the nose gear as light as possible.....since the spoilers were not armed, a very soft landing was required to keep the airplane from ballooning and thereby eating up even more runway.

Why do you think they used the longest piece of concrete around?

I take it you have never landed a spoiler equipped airplane with them disarmed? Any kind of firm hit runs the risk of bouncing. Looks to me that they thought it through carefully and executed exactly what they intended.
 

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It's interesting that the folks who used their cell phones on flight 93 are considered heroes, but the folks who recorded the events on the Jet Blue landing a few days ago are idiots because they used a cam corder.

This should get you fired up, texas. They also notified their company on their blackberry about the events as they were unfolding...that's how MSBNC knew.

For the coverage, they did a great job. It was handled professionally. Al Haynes was contacted and gave the commentary through the touchdown and the video replays afterward...you couldn't ask for a cooler or more experienced and professional hand to do that, if you tried. And he did it well.

As for the crew...they got down and got stopped. Everybody walked away. Minimal damage occured to the aircraft. It looked picture perfect on national television. Other than Jet Blue for the cost of replacing a defective gear, everybody wins...and Jet Blue wins because it turned out so well, too.

You're shocked that media representatives would try to sneak some footage about a media grabbing event? I'm shocked that you're shocked. Get over it.

The whole thing was a public relations media success, and if anything, serves to bolster public confidence in the industry. That's a good thing, and it was handled extremely well throughout the show. Some people will look for an excuse to whine about anything, apparently.
 

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avbug said:
It's interesting that the folks who used their cell phones on flight 93 are considered heroes, but the folks who recorded the events on the Jet Blue landing a few days ago are idiots because they used a cam corder.



You're shocked that media representatives would try to sneak some footage about a media grabbing event? I'm shocked that you're shocked. Get over it.

The whole thing was a public relations media success, and if anything, serves to bolster public confidence in the industry. That's a good thing, and it was handled extremely well throughout the show. Some people will look for an excuse to whine about anything, apparently.

I have to laugh out loud at this discussion.

I for one remember Lester Holt in the summer of 2000 in his piece on the effect of portable electronic devices on flight safety. As I recall, the jist was the effect cell phones and other devices have on the aircraft navigation systems.

Six years hence, how much safer are we?

Forget the fact that an instruction from a flight crew member is legally binding. Unlike the mandatory evacuation order in Texas that isnt really legally binding according to some experts, an instruction from a flight crew member IS!

Avbug, you are encouraging passengers to disregard the instructions of flight crew. Furthermore, you are condoning something that is contrary to flight safety, IE: using blackberry devices and the like in flight, despite contrary instructions. The FAA and the airlines themselves would take issue with your philosophy, Mr Bug, as has one of MSNBC's own.

Use of a camcorder during an emergency poses its own set of hazards. Delaying an EVAC would be one of them, as some bozo concentrates on where his lense is pointed rather than getting himself, or better yet, helping someone else get out of the aircraft.

I think Tex has a valid point. What are you whining about, Avbug?
 
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So here you are jane passenger, sitting there listen to the F/A tell you how to get ready for a crash landing, watching your fate playout on TV in front of you...with all these stupid comments and worse case situations being discussed by the so called experts....of course the news media would not try to sensationalize (sp?) these events...

I for one believe that the TV's on JB, sould be able to block out the news channels...play movies or something to keep the passengers calm....I am sure we will see some new policies on JB with they have an on board emergency in the future....
 

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Anybody here think of that scene in "airplane" where the passengers are watching that airline crash (the old 707 low-combustible fuel test) on the big screen. That was the first thing that came to my mind is that wrong?

Like JB or not is really irrelevant, the flight crew did a great job.
 

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Documentary

You know that PMSnbc will be doing a documentary on the event. Can't wait to see the footage they use. Lester Holt will probably narrate and show how much of a freakin' hypocrite he and his network really is.

Left wingers all.

Tex.
 

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rvsm410 said:
I for one believe that the TV's on JB, sould be able to block out the news channels...play movies or something to keep the passengers calm....I am sure we will see some new policies on JB with they have an on board emergency in the future....

Do they not turn the video off for TO and landing?

Never flown on JB, but if memory serves every other airline I've been on has turned the TV/Video off sometime in the descent for landing. Seems that you wouldn't want the pax distracted by the last few minutes of "Joey" when they might be better served by throwing on a seatbelt or stowing their laptops.
 

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shamrock said:
Do they not turn the video off for TO and landing?

Actually they did turn off the TVs. Here is a link to a video that was shot by one of the passengers, and I have to admit, the Flight Attendants did a great job of calming everybody's nerves. Take a look for yourself. CLICK HERE.
 

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Here's a bit of the early conversation between the Captain and MX discussing the problem and their options. Interesting.

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Excellent links

Hey guys, thanks for the links. I'm laughing at the first one (guitar) and in awe of the second one. The crew should be lauded, hell, I'd like to throw a barbecue in their honor.

Anybody have a link to the video that the idiots from NBC shot from inside the cabin during the brace procedure?

You find me that, and I'll barbecue a steer for ya.

Tex.
 

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Answered my own ?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9430871/

Here is the footage I'm talkin about that these finance guys from NBC shot, or at least that was used during their interview with Matt (sniffffff the long line) Lauer.

This is what im talkin about...hang em.
 

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MSNBC Link to the video

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9430871/ is the link to the camcorder video shot by a passenger named in the video by MSNBC. Click on the "launch" button just to the top right side of the window.

Potential safety hazard? Overlooked by JBLU flight crew? Who knows. Who cares? If this had a different outcome maybe it would matter. Certainly is some incriminating evidence should the FAA have a desire to take issue with the fact that some passengers were disregarding orders from the flight crew.

Has the crew made the rounds to Letterman, Conan, and Oprah yet? Book been written, movie scripted? It is all a matter of time.

If this does happen, I hope that Captain's bank account gets real fat from the profits. He certainly deserves that!
 

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KeroseneSnorter said:
Why do you think they used the longest piece of concrete around?

Only by 5'!

LAX 25L = 11,096' (10,095')
LAX 25R = 12,091' (10,090')

25L is 200' wide though. 25R is only 150' wide. That fact would have made me choose it over the right anyway.
 

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rvsm410 said:
I for one believe that the TV's on JB, sould be able to block out the news channels...play movies or something to keep the passengers calm....I am sure we will see some new policies on JB with they have an on board emergency in the future....


Certainly they should emphasize that during on-board emergencies, rules that apply during normal landings also apply at that time. IE: all portable electronic devices off for landing...(even if you are a member of the media organization that is flying the newschopper just outside your window.)

Heck, the lug that shot it also put his face on a video bye bye to his girlfriend just in case. What a weiner. Just a nost gear there big fella. Don't cry. I know, it makes better TV. That's why you're doing it anyway.

Waiting for the documentary. (Soros funded perhaps???)

Tx.
 

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Jetz said:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9430871/ is the link to the camcorder video shot by a passenger named in the video by MSNBC. Click on the "launch" button just to the top right side of the window.

Potential safety hazard? Overlooked by JBLU flight crew? Who knows. Who cares? If this had a different outcome maybe it would matter. Certainly is some incriminating evidence should the FAA have a desire to take issue with the fact that some passengers were disregarding orders from the flight crew.

Has the crew made the rounds to Letterman, Conan, and Oprah yet? Book been written, movie scripted? It is all a matter of time.

If this does happen, I hope that Captain's bank account gets real fat from the profits. He certainly deserves that!


Letterman, Conan, and others have indeed called the company and the crew to do shows, as you have stated. Company mgmt said the crew could participate in the activities if they wished, but couldnt discuss the specifics of the incident since it was an ongoing investigation. To the crews credit, they turned down ALL invitations, and elected to stay out of the spotlight. The captain specifically stated he was only doing his job, and any other airline pilot in the country would have done the same thing. Kudo's to the Capt and his crew for a job well done, and electing to not participate in the media circus.
 
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