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Texasskicker

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MSNBC showed footage that a passenger shot using a camcorder DURING THE BRACE PROCEDURE for the emergency landing of the now famous Jetblue flight in LAX.

FAA, NTSB...HELOOOOO? Please pick up on this!!!

Apparently there were several NBC employees onboard the aircraft. I believe it was one of them that had a camcorder in his hand, rolling while they landed.

"All portable electronic devices must be turned off and completely stowed for landing."

Some astute FA's will add, "That means anyting with an on-off switch."

Most passengers are clueless. They dont know a "good landing" from a controlled crash, a Great Pilot from an average Joe Shmoe just using the autoland.

Nobody gets that the PF wasted 3000+ feet of good tarmac trying to grease the landing thereby jeopardizing safety. Not MSNBC, certainly not most of the general public.

This video footage illustrates a problem, and I hope someone gets it.
 
Twisted logic or a blue coup?

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Texasskicker said:
Nobody gets that the PF wasted 3000+ feet of good tarmac trying to grease the landing thereby jeopardizing safety. Not MSNBC, certainly not most of the general public..

Combined they didn't use TR's or GLD's.... (for a good reason)

It was noticed, but it is ingrained in our heads to touchdown with that greaser mentality.... A firm touchdown on the 1000ft marker is considered "unskilled"

The main wheel brakes worked, combined with the cyclops brake upfront, allowed the aircraft to be slowed....

They did well so let em enjoy it......
 
Texasskicker said:
Nobody gets that the PF wasted 3000+ feet of good tarmac trying to grease the landing thereby jeopardizing safety. Not MSNBC, certainly not most of the general public.

I hate snapperheads second guessing things before they think them through.

He didn't use spoilers because he was trying to keep the nose gear as light as possible.....since the spoilers were not armed, a very soft landing was required to keep the airplane from ballooning and thereby eating up even more runway.

Why do you think they used the longest piece of concrete around?

I take it you have never landed a spoiler equipped airplane with them disarmed? Any kind of firm hit runs the risk of bouncing. Looks to me that they thought it through carefully and executed exactly what they intended.
 
It's interesting that the folks who used their cell phones on flight 93 are considered heroes, but the folks who recorded the events on the Jet Blue landing a few days ago are idiots because they used a cam corder.

This should get you fired up, texas. They also notified their company on their blackberry about the events as they were unfolding...that's how MSBNC knew.

For the coverage, they did a great job. It was handled professionally. Al Haynes was contacted and gave the commentary through the touchdown and the video replays afterward...you couldn't ask for a cooler or more experienced and professional hand to do that, if you tried. And he did it well.

As for the crew...they got down and got stopped. Everybody walked away. Minimal damage occured to the aircraft. It looked picture perfect on national television. Other than Jet Blue for the cost of replacing a defective gear, everybody wins...and Jet Blue wins because it turned out so well, too.

You're shocked that media representatives would try to sneak some footage about a media grabbing event? I'm shocked that you're shocked. Get over it.

The whole thing was a public relations media success, and if anything, serves to bolster public confidence in the industry. That's a good thing, and it was handled extremely well throughout the show. Some people will look for an excuse to whine about anything, apparently.
 
Lol

avbug said:
It's interesting that the folks who used their cell phones on flight 93 are considered heroes, but the folks who recorded the events on the Jet Blue landing a few days ago are idiots because they used a cam corder.



You're shocked that media representatives would try to sneak some footage about a media grabbing event? I'm shocked that you're shocked. Get over it.

The whole thing was a public relations media success, and if anything, serves to bolster public confidence in the industry. That's a good thing, and it was handled extremely well throughout the show. Some people will look for an excuse to whine about anything, apparently.

I have to laugh out loud at this discussion.

I for one remember Lester Holt in the summer of 2000 in his piece on the effect of portable electronic devices on flight safety. As I recall, the jist was the effect cell phones and other devices have on the aircraft navigation systems.

Six years hence, how much safer are we?

Forget the fact that an instruction from a flight crew member is legally binding. Unlike the mandatory evacuation order in Texas that isnt really legally binding according to some experts, an instruction from a flight crew member IS!

Avbug, you are encouraging passengers to disregard the instructions of flight crew. Furthermore, you are condoning something that is contrary to flight safety, IE: using blackberry devices and the like in flight, despite contrary instructions. The FAA and the airlines themselves would take issue with your philosophy, Mr Bug, as has one of MSNBC's own.

Use of a camcorder during an emergency poses its own set of hazards. Delaying an EVAC would be one of them, as some bozo concentrates on where his lense is pointed rather than getting himself, or better yet, helping someone else get out of the aircraft.

I think Tex has a valid point. What are you whining about, Avbug?
 
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So here you are jane passenger, sitting there listen to the F/A tell you how to get ready for a crash landing, watching your fate playout on TV in front of you...with all these stupid comments and worse case situations being discussed by the so called experts....of course the news media would not try to sensationalize (sp?) these events...

I for one believe that the TV's on JB, sould be able to block out the news channels...play movies or something to keep the passengers calm....I am sure we will see some new policies on JB with they have an on board emergency in the future....
 
Anybody here think of that scene in "airplane" where the passengers are watching that airline crash (the old 707 low-combustible fuel test) on the big screen. That was the first thing that came to my mind is that wrong?

Like JB or not is really irrelevant, the flight crew did a great job.
 

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