Jetblue Looking To Buy VA?

[Blue Dude]

I like the A319 idea. Since we started getting away from transcons due to fuel price concerns I think there's room to exploit a market niche there. As long as we're paid A320 rates to operate it I have no problems with it. There is no way I'm going to subsidize a higher CASM by giving up pay, though.

 

[Headfake14]

319s are a possibility...yes

319s to replace the 190...Never gonna happen.

319s paid at 320 rates...a MUST.

And IF we ever do aquire 319s. I doubt it would be very many. We'd only need a handful to just jump back and forth between coasts and maybe some other long haul thin routes.

 

[coogebeachhotel]

319 is not going to be paid at 320 rates. You make think so but the future 320 "raises" will be adjusted for this. Lower over all pay based on percentage of 319's to enter fleet. So yes all one pay but lower.

319's will not be used for transcons. Deep Latin America is where they are going to be used.

 

[Blue Dude]

That would depend in large part on how the peer set is interpreted. Even then, I don't know too many pilots who would buy off on watering down everyone's pay to bring in A319's. What's the motivation for getting anyone to sign off on that? All you'd have to do to avoid getting a "deep south" A319 trip is refuse to sign the contract. What a scheduling nightmare that would be. A significant boycott by MCO A320 captains alone would sink that idea. If half, all mega senior, refuse to sign then the A319 trips can't be covered and the planes don't fly until you train up enough non-boycotters from other bases in LA procedures. Talk about sending a message.

 

[hockeypilot44]

That would depend in large part on how the peer set is interpreted. Even then, I don't know too many pilots who would buy off on watering down everyone's pay to bring in A319's. What's the motivation for getting anyone to sign off on that? All you'd have to do to avoid getting a "deep south" A319 trip is refuse to sign the contract. What a scheduling nightmare that would be. A significant boycott by MCO A320 captains alone would sink that idea. If half, all mega senior, refuse to sign then the A319 trips can't be covered and the planes don't fly until you train up enough non-boycotters from other bases in LA procedures. Talk about sending a message.

Who are you kidding? All they have to do is say sign the contract or we will let you go. You'll sign.

 

[Blue Dude]

They would have to let me go for cause. NOT signing an amendment is not cause for termination. The current contract, with no A319 rates, remains in force until I decide to accept any amendment. Period.

 

[Splert]

They would have to let me go for cause. NOT signing an amendment is not cause for termination. The current contract, with no A319 rates, remains in force until I decide to accept any amendment. Period.

The next contract will not be aircraft specific. It will be small narrow body, narrow body and large narrow body with aircraft types listed for each category.

 

[Blue Dude]

That may be true, but that's not in the *current* contract. Without signing another one, I am unable to be assigned to an aircraft without a pay scale. The current contract doesn't have one. I can't be forced to do work that isn't in the contract. Flying an A319 isn't in there. We cannot be forced to accept a pay scale on a new aircraft. We have to sign off on it, personally.

We have unique leverage here if we have the wit to use it.

 

[Splert]

That may be true, but that's not in the *current* contract. Without signing another one, I am unable to be assigned to an aircraft without a pay scale. The current contract doesn't have one. I can't be forced to do work that isn't in the contract. Flying an A319 isn't in there. We cannot be forced to accept a pay scale on a new aircraft. We have to sign off on it, personally.

We have unique leverage here if we have the wit to use it.

Agreed!

 

[StarChecker]

Talk about sending a message.

This pilot group already sent a message...


67% will take whatever they give us.

 

[Blue Dude]

I am too well aware of it. However, the original premise was that we'll be handed a pay degradation and be forced to sign it. Not only do I think that even the Blue Juiciest pilot here will balk at that, I also point out that as few as 25 or so pilots can refuse to sign it and the whole concept will be derailed.

 

[Fins Up]

So back to VA. Do they have to/have they already reported 1Q earnings?

 

[BeachBummer]

So back to VA. Do they have to/have they already reported 1Q earnings?

Yea they reported a 100m dollar proffit Q1. 100% load factor too... oooh yea but the TPS reports reveal that Branson bought all the tickets!?!? They have a new business model too, park the planes and pretend to fly!

Seriously I have no idea....:laugh:

 

[Jet41]

The topic of this thread is a joke.

 

[Fins Up]

The topic of this thread is a joke.

Thanks for that insight.