Jetblue hiring... how and why?

[BeachBummer]

How old are those who are looking to leave jB for one of the other majors. I'm curious what most people would consider the cut-off. Beyond what age does it no longer make sense to change airlines?

(i'm 40 and considering coming to jB to get back into 121 after a decade long hiatus)

I ran the numbers recently for a 39yo 190capt. If he goes to DAL or UAL next year he still comes out on top by over 1million. That's assuming he never touches a wide body.

I'm 34 an 08' hire and I'm out at the first call from DAL or AA. It's not that I don't like JB, it's that I'll make $$5million more over the next 30 years at those other companies. The compounding interest in the 401k alone is 2million of that.

 

[BeachBummer]

I'm 35, and the first one that calls, I'm gone.

The math says that if you are in the right seat, and you are under about 46 or so, leave.

People will be staying here, but they are probably all lineholding captains. Junior captains and most FO's will be leaving, and leaving in droves.

Reasons: Obviously, the pay and benefits are inferior to pretty much everywhere other than the regionals and the REALLY $hitty places (like Allegiant). We have a REALLY young pilot group, meaning as a 35 year old here with about 2 years seniority, I'll NEVER be very senior. Trust me, the senior guys here have it as good as any 777 Legacy captain, with the exception of pay and benefits. They work 9-10 days a month doing Carribbean turns for about 85+ hours of pay. Chances are, however, unless you are hired here VERY young, you will NEVER be in that position.

That being said, if you get stuck here for 20-30 years, you are going to be much better off than you will be at any regional. This is NOT a terrible place to get stuck for 20 or 30 years. You will NOT be as well off as you would be at a legacy, but it ain't that bad. Any legacy would be better, but you'll be OK here. I took the job knowing that if I got stuck there for 30 years, I'd be just fine. That doesn't mean I'm not looking to leave for something better, though.

Bottom line, if Jetblue has a base somewhere you want to live, it's not that bad a deal. I'd recommend you keep trying for a legacy until the math says not to, but if you end up stuck at Jetblue, there are a lot worse situations to be in.

agree 100%

 

[General Lee]

Good God, you again. So you are telling us our pay and benefits are not equal to that of the legacy airlines? Tell us something we don't know First Officer Obvious. I'm pretty sure we ALL know that.

Working for most major airlines that are profitable, growing, and selling their own tickets is like being married to a super-model. Maybe my super-model has tits that are too small, and the fir on her beaver is a less preferential color, but the fact is that you are married to a fat waffle house waitress. Fact. I wouldn't FCK your wife with your little hotdog. Fact. I would NEVER leave my job for yours. Fact.

When you have a job that I would consider taking myself, I will consider giving your opinion the smallest possible amount of respect. You need to worry about your own career and let us worry about ours.

You are nothing. You are a little tiny man with a sub-par, sub-contract regional airline job that is so insecure with his career that he has to come on to this board and belittle others and denigrate their careers.

Get angry muuucccchhhh? Wow. Look here sonny, you and your E190 are not much bigger than what Rod supposedly flies, so try not to make fun too much.. But, you are HUGE in Martha's Vinyard or Nantucket, so that must make you and your little hotdog feel AWESOME. Enjoy it!


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[pilotpayne]

Get angry muuucccchhhh? Wow. Look here sonny, you and your E190 are not much bigger than what Rod supposedly flies, so try not to make fun too much.. But, you are HUGE in Martha's Vinyard or Nantucket, so that must make you and your little hotdog feel AWESOME. Enjoy it!


Bye Bye---General Lee

So here comes a Delta ( the best pilots in the world) guy to bash the JetBlue guy who is fighting
with the regional ( who dosent't even work at jetBlue) guy who is bashing JetBlue?

Wow.

 

[Smarta$$]

Get angry muuucccchhhh? Wow. Look here sonny, you and your E190 are not much bigger than what Rod supposedly flies, so try not to make fun too much.. But, you are HUGE in Martha's Vinyard or Nantucket, so that must make you and your little hotdog feel AWESOME. Enjoy it!


Bye Bye---General Lee

Alright General, you don't at all understand the context of my post or the history Jrod has about making denigrating comments about our job or our career.

And you should know and understand the distinction between flying a "regional" airplane and flying for a "regional AIRLINE". But you have a long history of big airplane SJS and looking down on people that don't have widebodies in their fleet, so I will consider your post exactly what it is and understand who it is coming from.

 

[General Lee]

Alright General, you don't at all understand the context of my post or the history Jrod has about making denigrating comments about our job or our career.

And you should know and understand the distinction between flying a "regional" airplane and flying for a "regional AIRLINE". But you have a long history of big airplane SJS and looking down on people that don't have widebodies in their fleet, so I will consider your post exactly what it is and understand who it is coming from.

Good, do that. I just read your post and thought it was WAAAAYYY too harsh on Rod. Gimmee a break. "You are nothing." Really? And he is correct about a lot of people from the LCCs will be looking at the 3 legacies as they ramp up hiring again. Why is that wrong? It might help you out a lot.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Smarta$$]

Good, do that. I just read your post and thought it was WAAAAYYY too harsh on Rod. Gimmee a break. "You are nothing." Really? And he is correct about a lot of people from the LCCs will be looking at the 3 legacies as they ramp up hiring again. Why is that wrong? It might help you out a lot.


Bye Bye---General Lee

As a stand alone post, my post would be way too hard on Jrod. Taken in the proper context and history, it was right on the mark.

You and Jrod both make disparaging comments about other peoples jobs and careers. We can't all work for DAL. We can't all work for AA. It might shock you, but we can't all even work for DAL, AA and UAL. And some may not even want to. The point is, let others live their lives and let others worry about there own career choices without feeling that you have to give everyone your 2 cents when no-one asked for it. You are not a superior person because you work for DAL, you were hired at a different time in history or took a different path in life.

The fact that you and Jrod need to interject your uninvited disparaging comments so often about the careers of others says way more about you than it does about us.

 

[clickclickboom]

ASA

I am not miserable.. I love my job and career.. In all honesty I make a very good living.

The problem is that after nearly 10 years we are STILL not industry average and in the last three to five years even with improvements are still trending down..

In a traditional career the " just leave " argument is very valid because you can market your skills, longevity, knowledge, etc to obtain a comparable or better position.

One shining example may be your wife. 160k while others in the department make more. Maybe that new hospital is looking for a specialist? 200k there you go here is your corner office maam.

In the airline pilot world she would have to resign her position and start at the new place cleaning bedpans for $12 an hour. That sure changes things

Thats why your argument is just plain comical. I have a very large portion of my career already invested here at blue and most importantly was told my our top management and all of the revolving door cronies that we were different, nimble, had values, could sieze opportunity, that our hard work would be rewarded. So far all I have to show is less than any ohter group in our ELT defined peerset.

 

[BeachBummer]

I ran the numbers recently for a 39yo 190capt. If he goes to DAL or UAL next year he still comes out on top by over 1million. That's assuming he never touches a wide body.

I'm 34 an 08' hire and I'm out at the first call from DAL or AA. It's not that I don't like JB, it's that I'll make $$5million more over the next 30 years at those other companies. The total difference in 401k including compouding interest is over $$2million.

had to correct that. sorry if the original statement was misleading.

 

[FurloughedAgain]

I vacillate day by day, but today I'm feeling like the grass is not greener over there and i am probably better off staying where I am. Looks like I have another month or two before I need to decide officially.