Jetblue hiring... how and why?

[ASA_Aviator]

Deleted. Because its not worth repeating myself.

 

[ajh883s]

ASA Thought you might like this story..

Especially considering your wife is banking 6 figures and you can ride her coattails while concluding that pilots should " Just Leave " while your deluded reality is devoid of rational thought.

Another new hire " Maybe right from your class " he probably makes 50k right now as well. His wife has been sick apparently she has some sort of cerebral degeneration that specialists are trying to solve. On top of that his child is autistic and oh yeah his wife miscarried 4 weeks ago. ( One way to save money on the JB healthcare plan )

Quiet guy but a great pilot and really does a great job.. Day two says he does not know how he is going to get home because he was trying to get to the airport and blew a tire. Went to drop spare and the chain was rusted to the crank and tire wouldnt budge. All his pto is gone becuase of his wife, and child. He couldnt miss his flight and go oop so he drives the final 5 miles on the flat tire and rim thrashing the wheel.

He tells me the story and all of a sudden it makes sense why this grown man, father, husband, professional pilot is essentially eating scraps to nourish himself. He cant afford it. I asked him and he explained that he normally stops at the walmart and spends $20 on food to last him a trip but didnt have a chance with the tire. His cards are maxed, he doesnt have a debit card, no cash in pocket ( okay he had a $20 but that only lasted day 1 ) broke...

I asked him what was happening ?

Health Care !! His wifes treatments or specialists visits were by a majority NOT COVERED.. Thousands in costs

Autism treatments? NOT COVERED how can that be JB sends out all kinds of press releases about how we sponser wings of autism and give pretend flights to autistic kids etc.. Yet crewmembers get no coverage ???

This poor guy is broke through no fault of his own. Does he deserve it? Does he deserve $18,000 in medical bills in the last 45 days with more to come on top of his outlandish premiums for such poor coverage?

Let me ask you a question ASA Should he JUST LEAVE ???

The moral of the story is there is nothing that makes me want to puke more that people like you that come here with a " different " deal or some security that others may not have and then throw out comments like " Why dont you just leave "

Lets face it not everyone has a spouse making 160k good for you but it is a pretty assenine mentality for you to judge the discontent of others while you got yours apparently.

As for our friend? I found a new tire and wheel for his car bought it and had it shipped overnight using our fedex discount to a monroe car care center 3 miles from the airport. I coordinated with the airport police and they allowed the mechanic to install the tire. Paid for his food the last two days and then told him his car was fixed on the last day.. I also told him to file with the blue pilot fund as his DR does not seem to be as good as yours..

The last thing I had was $647.37 laying around to fix my fo's car but some things you cant put a price on.

Any help from the Blue Pilot Fund? His story is why they exist and why I contribute. Nice of you to help him out.

 

[FurloughedAgain]

How old are those who are looking to leave jB for one of the other majors. I'm curious what most people would consider the cut-off. Beyond what age does it no longer make sense to change airlines?

(i'm 40 and considering coming to jB to get back into 121 after a decade long hiatus)

 

[gearjockey]

Oh you got me!!!! I can't believe those friends RATTED me out..... :laugh:

Gearjockey, congrats for hitting the career lotto at JB!

Ahh Ok?? riiiiight. They said something about Tourette's too...

 

[Smarta$$]

Hilarious post!!!! :laugh: :laugh:

I was referring to what one of your OWN pilots says about JB. Doesn't sound good at all... The fact is your airline is currently a 2nd rate airline for pilots - does not mean that is permanent unless the status quo remains. Nobody offered positions today at both a legacy and at JB at the same time would take JB. Fact. Healthcare is a joke (even compared to some regionals and especially for families) and you have no union protection. Fact. You have E190 Captains applying to UAL. Fact. I could go on and on.... Plenty of friends there - most hoping to exit when Delta starts hiring (in addition to current UAL and USAirways apps out). I guarantee you that unionizing at JB would be a huge step towards making JB more attractive to many people who have options (provide negotiating leverage for both pay/benefits improvements and scope protection) - including regional pilots who could also move to the legacies. It starts with gaining control of your bargaining power through unionization.

I ain't staying at my regional but you seem intent on staying at JB. Who knows, with so many people intent on leaving JB for the legacies, you might make E190 Captain in a few years!

Good God, you again. So you are telling us our pay and benefits are not equal to that of the legacy airlines? Tell us something we don't know First Officer Obvious. I'm pretty sure we ALL know that.

Working for most major airlines that are profitable, growing, and selling their own tickets is like being married to a super-model. Maybe my super-model has tits that are too small, and the fir on her beaver is a less preferential color, but the fact is that you are married to a fat waffle house waitress. Fact. I wouldn't FCK your wife with your little hotdog. Fact. I would NEVER leave my job for yours. Fact.

When you have a job that I would consider taking myself, I will consider giving your opinion the smallest possible amount of respect. You need to worry about your own career and let us worry about ours.

You are nothing. You are a little tiny man with a sub-par, sub-contract regional airline job that is so insecure with his career that he has to come on to this board and belittle others and denigrate their careers.

 

[johnsonrod]

Good God, you again. So you are telling us our pay and benefits are not equal to that of the legacy airlines? Tell us something we don't know First Officer Obvious. I'm pretty sure we ALL know that.

Working for most major airlines that are profitable, growing, and selling their own tickets is like being married to a super-model. Maybe my super-model has tits that are too small, and the fir on her beaver is a less preferential color, but the fact is that you are married to a fat waffle house waitress. Fact. I wouldn't FCK your wife with your little hotdog. Fact. I would NEVER leave my job for yours. Fact.

When you have a job that I would consider taking myself, I will consider giving your opinion the smallest possible amount of respect. You need to worry about your own career and let us worry about ours.

You are nothing. You are a little tiny man with a sub-par, sub-contract regional airline job that is so insecure with his career that he has to come on to this board and belittle others and denigrate their careers.

You write like a 7th grader. It is very entertaining. :laugh: My waffle house waitress wife is not fat - she is just curvy....

How many existing Legacy airline pilots are currently looking to move to JB because it is such a wonderful airline with tremendous benefits, fast upgrades and industry-leading pay? Maybe 1-2 legacy pilots "considering" it annually? That's probably too many. FACT. Most people are looking in the other direction.

JB could become an airline that competes equally with the legacies for pilots if it unionizes, improves pay, provides some scope controls and provides legacy-standard healthcare for pilots with families. Until then, JB will be viewed as a backup plan to those applying to the legacies or SWA. Many could argue that Spirit offers a better choice than JB right now with its faster upgrade time and wider base options. So, maybe JB is a 2nd choice after the legacies... Opinions may vary.

 

[CapnVegetto]

How old are those who are looking to leave jB for one of the other majors. I'm curious what most people would consider the cut-off. Beyond what age does it no longer make sense to change airlines?

(i'm 40 and considering coming to jB to get back into 121 after a decade long hiatus)

I'm 35, and the first one that calls, I'm gone.

The math says that if you are in the right seat, and you are under about 46 or so, leave.

People will be staying here, but they are probably all lineholding captains. Junior captains and most FO's will be leaving, and leaving in droves.

Reasons: Obviously, the pay and benefits are inferior to pretty much everywhere other than the regionals and the REALLY $hitty places (like Allegiant). We have a REALLY young pilot group, meaning as a 35 year old here with about 2 years seniority, I'll NEVER be very senior. Trust me, the senior guys here have it as good as any 777 Legacy captain, with the exception of pay and benefits. They work 9-10 days a month doing Carribbean turns for about 85+ hours of pay. Chances are, however, unless you are hired here VERY young, you will NEVER be in that position.

That being said, if you get stuck here for 20-30 years, you are going to be much better off than you will be at any regional. This is NOT a terrible place to get stuck for 20 or 30 years. You will NOT be as well off as you would be at a legacy, but it ain't that bad. Any legacy would be better, but you'll be OK here. I took the job knowing that if I got stuck there for 30 years, I'd be just fine. That doesn't mean I'm not looking to leave for something better, though.

Bottom line, if Jetblue has a base somewhere you want to live, it's not that bad a deal. I'd recommend you keep trying for a legacy until the math says not to, but if you end up stuck at Jetblue, there are a lot worse situations to be in.

 

[FurloughedAgain]

Thank you.

 

[Smarta$$]

You write like a 7th grader. It is very entertaining. :laugh: My waffle house waitress wife is not fat - she is just curvy....

How many existing Legacy airline pilots are currently looking to move to JB because it is such a wonderful airline with tremendous benefits, fast upgrades and industry-leading pay? Maybe 1-2 legacy pilots "considering" it annually? That's probably too many. FACT. Most people are looking in the other direction.

JB could become an airline that competes equally with the legacies for pilots if it unionizes, improves pay, provides some scope controls and provides legacy-standard healthcare for pilots with families. Until then, JB will be viewed as a backup plan to those applying to the legacies or SWA. Many could argue that Spirit offers a better choice than JB right now with its faster upgrade time and wider base options. So, maybe JB is a 2nd choice after the legacies... Opinions may vary.

What a revelation. Tell us something we don't already know, otherwise you are just wasting our time and proving that you are so insecure about your own career that you have to denigrate the career choices of others.

 

[oldxfr8dog]

I'm 35, and the first one that calls, I'm gone.

The math says that if you are in the right seat, and you are under about 46 or so, leave.

People will be staying here, but they are probably all lineholding captains. Junior captains and most FO's will be leaving, and leaving in droves.

Reasons: Obviously, the pay and benefits are inferior to pretty much everywhere other than the regionals and the REALLY $hitty places (like Allegiant). We have a REALLY young pilot group, meaning as a 35 year old here with about 2 years seniority, I'll NEVER be very senior. Trust me, the senior guys here have it as good as any 777 Legacy captain, with the exception of pay and benefits. They work 9-10 days a month doing Carribbean turns for about 85+ hours of pay. Chances are, however, unless you are hired here VERY young, you will NEVER be in that position.

That being said, if you get stuck here for 20-30 years, you are going to be much better off than you will be at any regional. This is NOT a terrible place to get stuck for 20 or 30 years. You will NOT be as well off as you would be at a legacy, but it ain't that bad. Any legacy would be better, but you'll be OK here. I took the job knowing that if I got stuck there for 30 years, I'd be just fine. That doesn't mean I'm not looking to leave for something better, though.

Bottom line, if Jetblue has a base somewhere you want to live, it's not that bad a deal. I'd recommend you keep trying for a legacy until the math says not to, but if you end up stuck at Jetblue, there are a lot worse situations to be in.

Reasonable, thoughtful, and honest.
Great reply.