Jetblue EMB rates

[GuppyPuppy]

MercuryPilot:

"I'd rather have my sister in a whore house than my brother in an F-16. FLY NAVY!"


Go Civilians! Yea!

 

[MercuryPilot]

MercuryPilot:

"I'd rather have my sister in a whore house than my brother in an F-16. FLY NAVY!"


Go Civilians! Yea!

Just having some fun w/the pilots of my sister Service.
BEAT ARMY!-That I'm not kidding about.
MP

 

[MickeySlapnutz]

Could you please quote the person who used the term benefits in the previous posts on this thread?

401K matching and profit sharing are an important part of total compensation and each employees annual gross. You see, the more we work, the more we make, and in turn the more we receive in 401K matching and profit sharing. These two vehicles provide my family w/CASH put into an account w/my name on it. So yes, I do consider these when discussing how much we make. Does your airline provide 401K matching and profit sharing?

Medical/dental/vison/life insurance/AD&D/etc. are benefits that don't put CASH into my pocket.

How much does the company match?
How much profit sharing are you going to get from 2005's hard work?
Are you paying more for your Med insurance every year?

Standing by for the excuses.

 

[SUNDOWN]

I am a line pilot, if that is what you are asking.

It's not an attack Skirt, just wondering if you are day to day with the 190.

 

[AA717driver]

The reason the 190 pay at JB sucks is that so many people going there are from relatively senior positions at other airlines.

For a newbie from a regional, $37/hr. is not unreasonable. As long as the growth keeps going, it'll be ok. When it stops, it's really going to suck to be a long-term FO on the 190.

The guys at JB believe that issue will be addressed when that situation happens. If you don't like it, don't apply. That's like bit@hing about flying 7 legs a day as a new hire at SWA...TC

 

[Maj]

Benefits not so good

Could you please quote the person who used the term benefits in the previous posts on this thread?

401K matching and profit sharing are an important part of total compensation and each employees annual gross. You see, the more we work, the more we make, and in turn the more we receive in 401K matching (...up to a limit)and profit sharing. These two vehicles provide my family w/CASH put into an account w/my name on it. So yes, I do consider these when discussing how much we make. Does your airline provide 401K matching and profit sharing?

Medical/dental/vison/life insurance/AD&D/etc. are benefits that don't put CASH into my pocket.

Since my 401K match and profit sharing (if any) are deposited into long-term savings I personally don't consider them CASH, and therefore don't count them in my annual income.

MickeySlapnutzQuote:
Originally Posted by MercuryPilot
Could you please quote the person who used the term benefits in the previous posts on this thread?

401K matching and profit sharing are an important part of total compensation and each employees annual gross. You see, the more we work, the more we make, and in turn the more we receive in 401K matching and profit sharing. These two vehicles provide my family w/CASH put into an account w/my name on it. So yes, I do consider these when discussing how much we make. Does your airline provide 401K matching and profit sharing?

Medical/dental/vison/life insurance/AD&D/etc. are benefits that don't put CASH into my pocket.


How much does the company match?
How much profit sharing are you going to get from 2005's hard work?
Are you paying more for your Med insurance every year?

Standing by for the excuses.

Our 401K match is a LOW 3%. No profit sharing this year, and there'll be many significant capital expenditures in the next several out years. Since my pay hasn't changed much in my 4 years (except for the small annual raise), and my healthcare has consistently increased, I've actually seen a small net pay reduction year over year. Yet we continue to hire large numbers of folks (flight att/ground folks) with high-risk lifestyles (gay/smokers/fat). When one gets into the fineprint of out long-term dis...it's not good compared with industry standard. Two years and then you're done. "Time to make the doughnuts" (RIP)

Okay...caveat for the kool-aid drinkers: I'm happy here and enjoy the folks I work with. Believe me, I looked at going to UPS/FedEX (assuming I could get interview and subsequently hired) but from year 3 on it would take a while to catch up (variables considered -QOL/pay/PIC/equip). I think that there's been quite a few folks recently who've left for other places. I think that trend will continue.

The people who brag about making 150K here use some creative math. After talking with them, I realize that they often times work 20-ish days/month (nothing wrong if that's their program), use PTO and then pick up other trips, and/or include 401K/P.S./CSPP. Or they're super senior and can avg >7 hrs/day.

Once again...in order to not offend the thin-(blue)skinned folks on here it still is a good place to work. Like just about anywhere else, it's not perfect. Unfortunately for now, we'll just have to grin and bear it or go elsewhere.

 

[MercuryPilot]

How much does the company match?
How much profit sharing are you going to get from 2005's hard work?
Are you paying more for your Med insurance every year?

Standing by for the excuses.

Puke Boy,

3%

We'll find out sometime in February/March.

Of course they did. Specifically, premiums are up slightly and the deductible we're responsible for stayed the same.

How about where you work? Remember, no excuses...

 

[GuppyPuppy]

Just having some fun w/the pilots of my sister Service.
BEAT ARMY!-That I'm not kidding about.
MP

As am I.

I just got a little sick and tired of MB at the mixers down in MCO when he kept saying "GO NAVY!" everytime a navy pilot introduced him/herself. Nobody cheers for the civilians!?! C'mon...what a jip!

Back to the thread...Not sure if we will see much, if any, increase in the EMB rates. People keep referring back to when the JB pilots got the big A320 raise in 2001. I firmly believe that one of the biggest reasons for the raise was that their initial pay rates were very low (at the time, actually about 1/3 of the pay at United) and they wanted to up the rates to keep people from leaving.

JB is setting the benchmark now on the E190. Every other operator will now be offering rates similar to what JB pays. In a couple of years when there are more airlines operating the same type for similar rates, why would JB raise the rate? Certainly not for attrition reasons. Hopefully out of the goodness of their hearts.

BTW...been much happier flying with the Navy guys vs. the AF guys.

GO BUSH PILOTS!

GP

 

[Sailpilot]

As am I.


GO BUSH PILOTS!

GP

BAJA BUSH

or

ALASKA BUSH?

Go Baja Bush Pilots! There is always something to fight about.

 

[FurloughedTwice]

Man, it's really hard to make a good living on a measly $85K a year. Where can you get hired and start making that kind of money in less than a year service?

Spectre, are you sure you weren't a Airline CEO in another life? This sounds very familiar.

 

[C77MD80]

As am I.


Back to the thread...Not sure if we will see much, if any, increase in the EMB rates. People keep referring back to when the JB pilots got the big A320 raise in 2001. I firmly believe that one of the biggest reasons for the raise was that their initial pay rates were very low (at the time, actually about 1/3 of the pay at United) and they wanted to up the rates to keep people from leaving.

JB is setting the benchmark now on the E190. Every other operator will now be offering rates similar to what JB pays. In a couple of years when there are more airlines operating the same type for similar rates, why would JB raise the rate? Certainly not for attrition reasons. Hopefully out of the goodness of their hearts.


GP

Thanks, this is what I was wondering about. Yes, I thought that the FO pay rates would (should) come up, but I also thought that the Captain rates should as well. So do the few buddies of mine that are at B6. Does no one else think they will take a bump? Is this the new 100 seat rate? 100k is a great wage but it doesn't add up. 85k sounds more reasonable the way you calculate but I just thought it woould go up like the a320 did,

Thanks for all of the honest responses.

 

[CAL EWR B737]

Okay...caveat for the kool-aid drinkers: I'm happy here and enjoy the folks I work with. Believe me, I looked at going to UPS/FedEX (assuming I could get interview and subsequently hired) but from year 3 on it would take a while to catch up (variables considered -QOL/pay/PIC/equip). I think that there's been quite a few folks recently who've left for other places. I think that trend will continue.

The people who brag about making 150K here use some creative math. After talking with them, I realize that they often times work 20-ish days/month (nothing wrong if that's their program), use PTO and then pick up other trips, and/or include 401K/P.S./CSPP. Or they're super senior and can avg >7 hrs/day.

Once again...in order to not offend the thin-(blue)skinned folks on here it still is a good place to work. Like just about anywhere else, it's not perfect. Unfortunately for now, we'll just have to grin and bear it or go elsewhere.

Maj,

Good post. I had no idea my thread would turn into such a knock down drag out contest. Your defenitely not drinking any blue kool aid in my opinion.

As a strong unionist I would love to see a union especially ALPA at Jet Blue. I ran the ALPA organizing drive at Newark for CAL in 2001. ALPA's goal back then was to get all pilot groups represented by ALPA. After CAL was FEDEX and it stopped there. We were supposed to go to American and then South West. I know I will take shots on here for saying this but bringing JetBlue under the fold would be good of everyone in the industry including Jet Blue.

Before anyone takes shots at me I will say the following:

When I escorted Duane Woerth all around to the CAL and CALEXP Newark crew rooms I was quite impressed with him and ALPA National. ALPA Nationals recent direction after 9/11 has in my opinion been terrible. I no longer support Woerth and would like to see a change at the top and in the direction of our union.

However ALPA is still a great union and quite frankly it is what you make of it. We the membership are the union. At CAL since 9/11 we have elected inept, weak and spineless leaders and some who are criminals. However that was our own doing not ALPA nationals. Recently we have recalled key representatives and our MEC Officers have turned in their resignations. Hopefully we will elect strong leaders and take our union back.

With a strong unified pilot group combined with strong local leadership no union can compare to ALPA, especially not having a union at all. Jet Blue will unionize it's just a matter of time!

 

[WNFO]

I wouldn't mind seeing an in-house union someday at jetblue but not ALPA! Way too many self serving criminals in that orginization.

 

[wndshr]

Maj,

Good post. I had no idea my thread would turn into such a knock down drag out contest. Your defenitely not drinking any blue kool aid in my opinion.

As a strong unionist I would love to see a union especially ALPA at Jet Blue. I ran the ALPA organizing drive at Newark for CAL in 2001. ALPA's goal back then was to get all pilot groups represented by ALPA. After CAL was FEDEX and it stopped there. We were supposed to go to American and then South West. I know I will take shots on here for saying this but bringing JetBlue under the fold would be good of everyone in the industry including Jet Blue.

Before anyone takes shots at me I will say the following:

When I escorted Duane Woerth all around to the CAL and CALEXP Newark crew rooms I was quite impressed with him and ALPA National. ALPA Nationals recent direction after 9/11 has in my opinion been terrible. I no longer support Woerth and would like to see a change at the top and in the direction of our union.

However ALPA is still a great union and quite frankly it is what you make of it. We the membership are the union. At CAL since 9/11 we have elected inept, weak and spineless leaders and some who are criminals. However that was our own doing not ALPA nationals. Recently we have recalled key representatives and our MEC Officers have turned in their resignations. Hopefully we will elect strong leaders and take our union back.

With a strong unified pilot group combined with strong local leadership no union can compare to ALPA, especially not having a union at all. Jet Blue will unionize it's just a matter of time!

CAL737...

i agree that it is just a matter of time before the inevitable, but you have to remember that most of the civilians getting hired at B6 were prior ALPA. not many good memories there!

 

[Smoking Man]

I would imagine something in house,

As far as Alpa No, that Association has left a few memorys for a majority of the pilots.

 

[Fins Up]

I wouldn't mind seeing an in-house union someday at jetblue but not ALPA! Way too many self serving criminals in that orginization.

I don't know much about unions but from everything I read, I think they can hurt as much as help. Sure they'll fight for you to get higher wages but is that going to help when you get furloughed because operating costs are too high?

In my dream world, salary increases, and other benefits can be worked out rationally. (I can hear all you guys laughing at me already).

My opinion is - pay me a respectable wage and keep the company in good financial shape. I don't need to be a millionaire, I just want to fly planes around.

The end. Let the flames begin.

 

[That Guy]

My opinion is - pay me a respectable wage and keep the company in good financial shape. I don't need to be a millionaire, I just want to fly planes around.

The end. Let the flames begin.

Nothing wrong with that, no flame required.

I have also seen ALPA in action first hand, and want nothing to do with them ever again.

 

[oldxfr8dog]

Maj,

Good post. I had no idea my thread would turn into such a knock down drag out contest. Your defenitely not drinking any blue kool aid in my opinion.

As a strong unionist I would love to see a union especially ALPA at Jet Blue. I ran the ALPA organizing drive at Newark for CAL in 2001. ALPA's goal back then was to get all pilot groups represented by ALPA. After CAL was FEDEX and it stopped there. We were supposed to go to American and then South West. I know I will take shots on here for saying this but bringing JetBlue under the fold would be good of everyone in the industry including Jet Blue.

Before anyone takes shots at me I will say the following:

When I escorted Duane Woerth all around to the CAL and CALEXP Newark crew rooms I was quite impressed with him and ALPA National. ALPA Nationals recent direction after 9/11 has in my opinion been terrible. I no longer support Woerth and would like to see a change at the top and in the direction of our union.

However ALPA is still a great union and quite frankly it is what you make of it. We the membership are the union. At CAL since 9/11 we have elected inept, weak and spineless leaders and some who are criminals. However that was our own doing not ALPA nationals. Recently we have recalled key representatives and our MEC Officers have turned in their resignations. Hopefully we will elect strong leaders and take our union back.

With a strong unified pilot group combined with strong local leadership no union can compare to ALPA, especially not having a union at all. Jet Blue will unionize it's just a matter of time!

You've got to be joking.
Is the Continental MEC Chairman still a "guy" (carefully worded!) that crossed the line back "in the day"? ALPA welcomes "scabs" if they will now pay their dues.
I was ALPA. ALPA is BIG business!
How much has DW taken in pay cuts? Perks?
ALPA had a great beginning, a great mandate for safety for the last 60-70 years...
The end of ALPA was not requiring "feeders" to be on the same seniority list.
How can you represent the RJs(Growth!) AND the Mainline (SCOPE!)?
Just like "The Who" said, "The new boss, SAME as the OLD boss!"
Exactly HOW is ALPA going to help JB "into the fold"?
I'm beginning to think JB needs a little help, but NOT from ALPA.

 

[AA717driver]

I wonder why ALPA wasn't able to bring AA into the fold quickly...

I mean, if you look at it, there are quite a few former ALPA members on the property already. You know, the former TWA and Eagle people. I'm sure they'll welcome ALPA with open arms...

Or maybe just arms. TC

 

[DIAMONDDD]

I'm sure they'll welcome ALPA with open arms...

Or maybe just arms. TC

Nope, I would say just "the finger". Same as if they come knocking at B6.