Jetblue CEO says its considering 787/A350 for Latin America

[n757st]

That's right. No speculating allowed on this board.

I'm guessing since it was blue bayou posting, he has heard more then "speculation".

 

[Visceral]

I'm guessing since it was blue bayou posting, he has heard more then "speculation".

Isn't the entire thread about speculation? 787s, new destinations, big foot, ufos.

 

[waterski]

Yes he was!

"This ain't no expletive airline, it's scheduled charter...organized confusion."

This is not an airplane it just a bunch of parts flying in formation. Classic.

 

[Flyer1015]

I meant originally. 12 years ago. At start up.

Because it's a load more comfortable and better than the 737?

 

[Smarta$$]

Because it's a load more comfortable and better than the 737?

I meant as opposed to the A330. Come on, get with it.

 

[Flyer1015]

I meant as opposed to the A330. Come on, get with it.

So you are asking why 12 yrs ago JetBlue didn't order A330s as a startup carrier?

 

[Smarta$$]

So you are asking why 12 yrs ago JetBlue didn't order A330s as a startup carrier?

Yes. Finally. You get it. Go back and read the posts leading up to my comments. Then, you will be up to speed.

 

[johnsonrod]

Don't be so pessimistic. Of course you will have opportunities to fly the 787 - at the restructured American Airlines after they acquire JB! Keep the faith brothers... Unfortunately you will have to fly a junky MD83 first...

 

[Lake Alice]

Don't be so pessimistic. Of course you will have opportunities to fly the 787 - at the restructured American Airlines after they acquire JB! Keep the faith brothers... Unfortunately you will have to fly a junky MD83 first...

Only for the top 50% as your PEA clearly states the bottom half will not be around.

 

[CapnVegetto]

Only for the top 50% as your PEA clearly states the bottom half will not be around.

BS.

Whatever happens will be whatever is most cost-effective for management. What that involves has entirely too many variables to calculate until more information is gathered, such as who is merging/buying, etc.

To say this is unrealistic fearmongering and is ridiculous. Could it happen? Sure. Will it happen? It depends on the circumstances. Likelyhood is low in my opinion.

 

[Lake Alice]

If you think for a second this management team will do anything to protect the jobs of this pilot group outside of what is specified in the PEA you are delusional. You are correct in stating whatever is cost-effective is what will be done and fighting for a fair integration for our jobs will not be cost effective particularly with what is stated in the PEA.

 

[Smarta$$]

What is a fair integration anyway? What makes you think we deserve one? You always say this isn't a career airline, we have no benefits, no retirements, no career advancement...

So, I have to assume you don't think we deserve a "fair" integration anyway.

 

[fam62c]

Its only the top 300 or so guys that would see it in the next 15 years anyway, so who the F@#k cares. Once again again a two-tiered society here at the Bluejet.

Yeah, because there's no other airlines that operate on a seniority system

 

[Lake Alice]

What is a fair integration anyway? What makes you think we deserve one? You always say this isn't a career airline, we have no benefits, no retirements, no career advancement...

So, I have to assume you don't think we deserve a "fair" integration anyway.

What I, you, or anyone else think is fair is irrelevant.

You get what you negotiate, PERIOD! It costs money to hire legal teams to negotiate. It takes experience to negotiate the process. We have neither. We will get what we are told. Thats reality. Could it work out, sure. Could M/B work for us, possibly. I just don't believe the management at this company will do anything other than what our PEA states and what the PEA states does not bode well for the bottom 50%.

 

[Smarta$$]

What I, you, or anyone else think is fair is irrelevant.

You get what you negotiate, PERIOD! It costs money to hire legal teams to negotiate. It takes experience to negotiate the process. We have neither. We will get what we are told. Thats reality. Could it work out, sure. Could M/B work for us, possibly. I just don't believe the management at this company will do anything other than what our PEA states and what the PEA states does not bode well for the bottom 50%.

Getting what we are told is all we deserve since this is not a career airline, we have no benefits, no retirements, no career advancement...

Right?

 

[coogebeachhotel]

Only for the top 50% as your PEA clearly states the bottom half will not be around.

What do you mean top 50%? Is this true? Wow that really screws the bottom half.

 

[Lake Alice]

Getting what we are told is all we deserve since this is not a career airline, we have no benefits, no retirements, no career advancement...

Right?

Career airline is different for everyone I guess. As for the rest you get what you negotiate not what you deserve.

 

[CapnVegetto]

If you think for a second this management team will do anything to protect the jobs of this pilot group outside of what is specified in the PEA you are delusional. You are correct in stating whatever is cost-effective is what will be done and fighting for a fair integration for our jobs will not be cost effective particularly with what is stated in the PEA.

I don't think that, but you are looking at it from a very infantile perspective.

Management will ALWAYS do what is in their best interests. There are not a lot of scenarios where firing half the pilot group is in their best interests, both in public relations and in practical staffing.

You are comparing managment to a bunch of 6 year olds on the playground at recess that are pulling our pigtails just to be mean. You assume they will fire all of us just because they can, and sit around in a room pointing and laughing, regardless of the financial, PR, and staffing consequences of doing so. That is stupid.

Try to step back from the 'us vs. them' militant union perspective for just a moment, and take a look at the actual world of business. I'm not saying that 50% of the pilot group going bye-bye can't happen, that would be idiotic as well. But to suggest that it is a certainty is alarmist bull$hit, and has no place in the real world.

What will happen during an M & A is anybody's guess right now. It depends on who buys/merges with us, their fleet composition, staffing, route structure, financials, and a multitude of other things. We won't know the answer until it happens. Until then, you might as well be standing on a soapbox on a street corner with a Quiran spouting propecy about the end of the world, because it's essentially the same thing that you're doing here.

Management will ALWAYS do what is in their best financial interests. If that includes firing half the workforce, that is exactly what they will do. However, in my opinion, the likelihood of that happening is VERY remote.

 

[Lake Alice]

Read 15A, C, contract law vs NMB/RLA/CBA, STS.

There are no pig tails. You signed your rights away. Jetblue will simply look you in the eye and tell you they are abiding by YOUR PEA.

 

[CapnVegetto]

Read 15A, C, contract law vs NMB/RLA/CBA, STS.

There are no pig tails. You signed your rights away. Jetblue will simply look you in the eye and tell you they are abiding by YOUR PEA.

Sigh.......

I know what the PEA says.

Unfortunately, you STILL don't get it, and I'm afraid I don't have the patience or inclination to further break this down for you.