jetblue blowing people away

[jonjuan]

Why not just install a blast fence? The airport seems a bit negligent too.

There's no need when a normal takeoff happens.

 

[CA1900]

... is it ok to use the jet blast / overrun for takeoff?

Blast Pad/Overrun (yellow chevrons), no. Displaced threshold (white arrows), yes.

Looking at the way the runway is laid out, I seriously doubt his wheels were in the blast pad. The camera angle is a little deceptive; take a look at the aerial view:

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/9869/screenshot20120410at846.jpg

 

[LearLove]

is it me or is the window open at 6 seconds into the video?

 

[Longhorn]

Yes it is. This whole thing is embarrassing.

 

[Lake Alice]

I'd love to know who the crew was. Those are senior trips. You would hope those guys would know better.

 

[SLUF4]

someone pointed out that another crew did the same thing in a different video (using the blastpad for takeoff). maybe it was the same crew on a different flight down there. seems possible

 

[Wasted]

Blast Pad/Overrun (yellow chevrons), no. Displaced threshold (white arrows), yes.

Looking at the way the runway is laid out, I seriously doubt his wheels were in the blast pad. The camera angle is a little deceptive; take a look at the aerial view:

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/9869/screenshot20120410at846.jpg

You can see his nosewheel going across the outermost chevron within the blastpad at 6 seconds into the video. I don't believe you're allowed to even taxi into the blastpads. You'd have to cross some solid lines to get there.

 

[Whine Lover]

Observations.

The Young Lady:

So, none of us were ever young and did something stupid before?

That is a young Woman, a Human Being, someone's Daughter, Sister, Friend etc. being flung into that concrete barrier.

Get some humanity and some self respect before you denigrate her actions ....We've all had fun on vacations/spring break and maybe we all got away with doing some stupid things.

She didn't.

I guess that makes us Superior.(?)

I hope she is okay, and suffers no permanent damage.

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The Flight Crew:

Look at :19 secs into the video.

The Yellow Chevron...The FIRST Yellow Chevron at the approach end of the runway, is clearly in sight. There is not another one behind them, and there are two on that runway.

They were in an area they should not have been in for takeoff. Clearly.

Why?

Perhaps a mistake, a moment of carelessness, a hurried day, fatigue....whatever. They will have to explain that. I hope they can, and I wish them well.

GOD HELP THEM...IF, the CVR shows any evidence of "Hey, let's give these folks a good show! hahahaha. "

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That girl should not have been there.

NOR, should that aircraft.

There is equal blame to go around.

I wish them all well.


YKW

 

[tzskipper]

Observations.

The Young Lady:

So, none of us were ever young and did something stupid before?

That is a young Woman, a Human Being, someone's Daughter, Sister, Friend etc. being flung into that concrete barrier.

Get some humanity and some self respect before you denigrate her actions ....We've all had fun on vacations/spring break and maybe we all got away with doing some stupid things.

She didn't.

I guess that makes us Superior.(?)

I hope she is okay, and suffers no permanent damage.

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The Flight Crew:

Look at :19 secs into the video.

The Yellow Chevron...The FIRST Yellow Chevron at the approach end of the runway, is clearly in sight. There is not another one behind them, and there are two on that runway.

They were in an area they should not have been in for takeoff. Clearly.

Why?

Perhaps a mistake, a moment of carelessness, a hurried day, fatigue....whatever. They will have to explain that. I hope they can, and I wish them well.

GOD HELP THEM...IF, the CVR shows any evidence of "Hey, let's give these folks a good show! hahahaha. "

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That girl should not have been there.

NOR, should that aircraft.

There is equal blame to go around.

I wish them all well.


YKW

Lucidity in the house. Who would of thought...

Thanks for the moment of clarity.

S

 

[Whine Lover]

Don't let it get around....I have a reputation to uphold ya' know.



YKW

 

[wmuflyguy]

GOD HELP THEM...IF, the CVR shows any evidence of "Hey, let's give these folks a good show! hahahaha. "



YKW

I doubt they'll get anything off the CVR.

I'm sure SXM to JFK is longer than 2 hour flight and thus the takeoff had probably been recorded over on the CVR and that's if they pulled it right when they got to JFK.

 

[Jetjockey]

Darwin was correct

 

[waveflyer]

I doubt they'll get anything off the CVR.

I'm sure SXM to JFK is longer than 2 hour flight and thus the takeoff had probably been recorded over on the CVR and that's if they pulled it right when they got to JFK.

I've been told that newer CVRs record much more than the standard 2 hours-
Can anybody confirm or refute?

 

[LearLove]

I've been told that newer CVRs record much more than the standard 2 hours-
Can anybody confirm or refute?

On the 190 I was told they can go back 90 (or something like that) hours due to something like layering of the tapes/data. However I would assume that would take some kind of forensic specialist/engineer to accomplish this.

 

[waveflyer]

Is it really an actual tape anymore?
I can fit a week's worth of music on an iPod and have plenty of room for about 20 movies
Not that I want Cvr used for discipline- but it would predictable and strange if we're using technology from the 90's for this

 

[SLUF4]

pretty sure it goes longer than 30 minutes, but like waveflyer said it can't be used for discipline anyway

 

[Blue Dude]

pretty sure it goes longer than 30 minutes, but like waveflyer said it can't be used for discipline anyway

Hm. I wonder how it was the FBI was able to take the flt 191 CVR recording as evidence against Clayton. Something disturbing about that. Is that legit?

 

[Whine Lover]

- Corporate "discipline" and Federal investigations are two different animals.

Say bad things about your company and have them listened to after an incident can not result in discipline of a punitive nature from your company. ( At least not outwardly or officially anyway. )

Stop doing what you are trained to do and throw SOP out the window resulting in an incident, you can, and will, be held liable under Federal law as well as Company policy.


YKW

 

[Blue Dude]

Well, that's the problem. I thought the CVR recording was supposed to be used for investigation purposes only. Incident/accident investigation, for the purpose of determining the cause and learn lessons, not federal prosecution.

 

[SLUF4]

I think the difference is that one is a criminal act and the other is just stupidity. here's what 121.359 (h) says:

(h) In the event of an accident or occurrence requiring immediate notification of the National Transportation Safety Board under Part 830 of its regulations, which results in the termination of the flight, the certificate holder shall keep the recorded information for at least 60 days or, if requested by the Administrator or the Board, for a longer period. Information obtained from the record is used to assist in determining the cause of accidents or occurrences in connection with investigations under Part 830. The Administrator does not use the record in any civil penalty or certificate action.

 

[GogglesPisano]

Information obtained from the record is used to assist in determining the cause of accidents or occurrences in connection with investigations under Part 830. The Administrator does not use the record in any civil penalty or certificate action.[/FONT]

There is nothing to stop a certificate holder from using a CVR against it's employees, unless it is specifically prohibited in a CBA.

 

[SLUF4]

There is nothing to stop a certificate holder from using a CVR against it's employees, unless it is specifically prohibited in a CBA.

that's true-i just assumed most pilot groups had that provision, but you know what they say about assumptions

 

[ron burgundy]

As long as it is not used to recount the last 30 seconds of of my life.......I don't give a flying F.

 

[J.Otto]

Sharp guy, Whine Lover...

the crew clearly swung the nose right through the chevron closest to the fence... oh boy...

hope the girl is okay... what an awful accident to endure.