Jetblue adds Jax & Pit

[sayagain?]

PCL has no credibility here. Just ignore him.

 

[Longhorn]

Hey Moderators,

If you guys ever put a stop to this crap, you could have a good message board. I'm all for hearing others opinions but the derogatory remarks and obvious flame bait needs to stop. Maybe a few permanent bans would send a message......

DITTO!

 

[Lake Alice]

PFT boy, are you talking again? We didn't give you permission. Now go pay for a job somewhere else.

 

[starvingredtail]

No, we have this revolutionary concept of handling this problem. Here it comes, get ready for it........ WE HAVE PEOPLE IN THE HUBS THAT ARE PAID TO CLEAN THE FRICKIN' AIRPLANES!!!! Amazing, isn't it? Air line pilots fly airplanes. They shouldn't be acting like janitors.


Take a look at those -190 rates again. Look like regional rates to me.

PCL,
Your FA's clean the planes at out stations. That is a fact. As a jumpseater/non rev, I would help them while you sat on your a$$ before I got off the airplane. They appreciated it very much because it showed them you were human. I do not know why you would try to deflect that fact and try to gloss over it. You fly for an ALPA airline that has FA's cleaning airplanes that by your rules should be a union sin. Instead you ignore it and go get a hot dog basket special at XYZ airport and then come here and bash the....what was it? oh yeah, the "jetblew" folks. JetBlue has people at the hubs that clean the planes, and they have something called dignity, because they know there is no one on the airplane that is not above what they do. Ever been in the military? I can't see your pathetic signature from this screen, but this is how the military should have worked but many times did not. Why don't you look at the mainline rates for the 190 at usair and nwa? They are the same. I know this does not compute on your "whizz wheel watch", but your opinion is pretty much a joke here. There are some good things a union does. ALPA just does not do them very well. If those needs are met elsewhere, (i.e through leadership with integrety) I can do without a union.
Thank You, Come Again.
SRT

 

[fifty30retard]

No, we have this revolutionary concept of handling this problem. Here it comes, get ready for it........ WE HAVE PEOPLE IN THE HUBS THAT ARE PAID TO CLEAN THE FRICKIN' AIRPLANES!!!! Amazing, isn't it? Air line pilots fly airplanes. They shouldn't be acting like janitors.


Take a look at those -190 rates again. Look like regional rates to me.

Listen little boy go back to the RJ board where you can beat your chest and talk real big.
Why are you sooo worried about what we do?
Why do you hate SWAPA? BTW SWAPA has negotiated the highest rates in the industry for the 737. Better than what ALPO can say.
Come jumpseat on us and you can see first hand how much cleaning we do.
Until then STF.

 

[PCL_128]

BTW SWAPA has negotiated the highest rates in the industry for the 737. Better than what ALPO can say.

No, the other airlines have been forced to accept draconian concessions to come down to SWAPA's rates. Those rates were far from industry-leading before the concessions started.

 

[Boeingman]

Those rates were far from industry-leading before the concessions started.

Like your pay at Gulfstream PFT boy?

 

[c9skytrain]

The other day we had five min. before pax started to load, the cockpit was ready and I needed to get off my butt and walk around a little. I picked up a few things as I walked up the aisle.
Did I do bad? Should I tell my wife? Should I not admit it here? I also pick up the dog crap in the yard at home, btw.

 

[A350]

PCL:

Caught eating from the litter box again?

Just what is it with you. Your present state of mind is that the industry ills are two fold.......JetBlue (and SWA from the looks of your last post) and non-union airlines.

What the hell....I'll throw you another pitch and watch you swing and miss.

Cleaning the airplane....what a downer. 5 minutes out of your day to put on some gloves and be a part of the team. For the record, we don't clean lavs, although I have done it at my past three airlines in the name of getting a quick turn and not having the customers repulsed by the odor. Further, I would do it in a heartbeat if I had to. We don't vacuum the cabin. We do some light "housekeeping" in the name of keeping the jet in the air. We also revel in the fact that we don't have high priced "union" talent sitting idle for hours getting grossly overpaid to spend the same 5 minutes doing a terrible job cleaning the jet. Further, our planes are very clean which is part of our brand.

Try it some time....you might notice the FA and if she/he is cute, you might get lucky. Then again, with you walking around in your pilot hat, chest out, redneck boots, and PFT wings on, and occasionally getting on here puking out your bile, you don't have the time for that, do you?

Regional pay for mainline jets? Pot, meet the kettle PCL 128. You are the one flying mainline planes for regional pay. In case you were wondering, the payrates that USAirways and others are getting for the 190 are a direct result of having to lower the bar to get the jets. If they asked for a rate higher, the planes, flying, and the jobs go to the lowest bidder and that would be a real shame for you, right? Oh, that's right, you don't want the jets at PCL. I wonder what kind of dilemna that creates for a big time ALPA pimp.

Let me give you a clue......you want the jets at PCL. Because your current billet as ALPA man at PCL demands you represent your bretheren at PCL and be damned with the other pilots in this land. That means you get any and all flying you can for your group. It is called representation. Quite an enigma, having to represent your group and tow the line for a union that represents the same group that your actions will screw. That is why I will continually hammer away at guys like you who claim the holy grail of ALPA when it is an institution that cannot stand as it is currently structured.

BTW, isn't it about time for you and 32LT10 to get together? His puke should be reappearing shortly.

A350

 

[SWA/FO]

No, the other airlines have been forced to accept draconian concessions to come down to SWAPA's rates. Those rates were far from industry-leading before the concessions started.

Our pay sux. Our QOL sux, don't try to come here.

Actually, our pay went up the legacy pay went down below our current pay. At Southwest, our job security one of the TOPS in this industry (unless your a worthless airline exec.). I think, job security might have more weight these days over the w2. It might not be the time nor place to discuss payrates in this current environment. Oh, did I mention SWA rules?

 

[Guam360]

yea, what he said. I did as an FA I did at my previous airline. At Air Mike we had to, on Kosrae, or Majuro, Chuuk, Pohnpei, etc. we had to clean, there were no cleaners.

Pride of how your airline looks and operates....

 

[PCL_128]

Cleaning the airplane....what a downer. 5 minutes out of your day to put on some gloves and be a part of the team.

Part of the team? Our contribution to the "team" is flying the airplane safely and efficiently. That's what air line pilots do. Cleaning the cabin is what cabin cleaners and flight attendants do. That's their contribution to the "team."

In case you were wondering, the payrates that USAirways and others are getting for the 190 are a direct result of having to lower the bar to get the jets.

Sorry, you've got that wrong. Those payrates are a direct result of these pilot groups having to match your horrible -190 rates. You were the first ones with that type, and you had no union to negotiate an appropriate rate for it. As a result, your rates that were set by your "benevolent" management team are the industry benchmark.

Let me give you a clue......you want the jets at PCL. Because your current billet as ALPA man at PCL demands you represent your bretheren at PCL and be danged with the other pilots in this land. That means you get any and all flying you can for your group.

Incorrect. The job of an elected officer is to represent the pilots and do what is in their best long-term interest. For the vast majority of our pilots it is not in their best interest to have larger aircraft at the regionals, because very few pilots at Pinnacle will want to spend their careers here. Most of our pilots will want to move on to mainline carriers. Larger jets here will hinder that advancement. The RJDC officers think the way you described, but I certainly do not.

 

[IB6 UB9]

Incorrect. The job of an elected officer is to represent the pilots and do what is in their best long-term interest. For the vast majority of our pilots it is not in their best interest to have larger aircraft at the regionals, because very few pilots at Pinnacle will want to spend their careers here. Most of our pilots will want to move on to mainline carriers. Larger jets here will hinder that advancement. The RJDC officers think the way you described, but I certainly do not.

So what you are saying is that your job is to make the environment at PCL such that pilots start putting out resumes as soon as they are hired there? Like all of your posts, this is equally ridiculous. You should be required to PFP (pay for posting) before launching this bile into cyberspace. Better yet, how about PTT (pay to think) before you log in here and come up with this stuff. I would want to move on to a mainline carrier too with you at the helm responsible for some of my QOL issues. At least when your peers see your impressive resume and how you got your ratings they will know what to expect from you. Do you offer a proof reading service for their applications and resumes as part of your services as an elected officer? LOL! Seriously little fella, you'd be doing yourself a great service by re-registering under a new screen name and starting over. At least then people on here would have a harder time figuring out that most of the bile you spew here is straight from your mainline daddy's mouth.

 

[fifty30retard]

No, the other airlines have been forced to accept draconian concessions to come down to SWAPA's rates. Those rates were far from industry-leading before the concessions started.

How does it feel to be Duane's bitch? You really are clueless.

 

[A350]

PCL:

The problem with your bile is it is akin to the wind blowing through the trees. The limb goes one way, and before you know it is going the other way. You want to have it both ways and you can't.

Believe it or not all these regionals stepping all over themselves to get a bigger piece of the mainline pie is going to make it a possibility that you spend your career at Pinnacle. Your job as an elected rep is to make the career there as palatable as possible.

Either way you win. If the mainline doesn't secure the flying for themselves, you get it. If the mainline undercuts you for the flying, you don't get the flying but you get a chance to move up and fly the planes. Problem is, if you don't get the flying at PCL and have to start over, you will bitch that the mainline guys screwed you. If you do move up and start flying the planes at mainline, you will be bitching that it is JetBlues fault you have to fly it for less.

Must be nice to live in a place where you can do no wrong and even if you do, you can blame it on someone else.

A350