JET SELECT info

[chickenwolf]

Does anyone have any info on Jet Select of Columbus, OH? Particularly schedule, required proximity to base, LR31 PIC pay and room for upward movement (aircraft)?

Thanks

 

[AZ Typed]

Good group of leaders there - above average treatment. Pilots are not viewed as "the help" but as valued assets. Promotion seems to be from within, you'll never be expected to do anything illeagal, stupid, or uncomfortable. Not your typical 135 deal.

 

[WTF]

I agree

Good core management, growing company going in the right direction. Treated with respect, never micro managed. Usual setup is 3 pilots per aircraft and your expected to formulate your own schedule. There is no "vacation". You are paid two weeks vacation throughout the year but when you want extended time off you just work with the other two guys,. Works out great when you have a good 3 person crew. Trips are what they say. TEB-ATL drop and come home empty you can alost bank on that happenning.
Good health/benefits, no 401k matching, but it is on the horizon.
All in all good, minor growing pains and they admit it.

 

[chickenwolf]

IS it a lot of out and backs? I am thinking of moving 1:20 minutes away from CMH. ANyone know the average days on the road per month. Making your own schedule sounds great but I don't wanna make the round trip drive more than 4-5 times a month.

Thanks again

 

[flybynightly]

You have to live within 1 hour of the airport....company policy to meet 2 hour call-out requirements. One of the best 135 companies out there.

 

[starcheckdriver]

Be careful what you read here. They try to have 3 pilots per plane, but many don't so you are 24/7, 365 on call. This is right from the horses mouth with two pilots I know there.

Management used to run Jetride, but they spent their time managing Jetride by using Jetride's money to figure out how to form their own company. Once they figured it out, the bailed on Jetride.The former CP was an idiot and now flies the line for them.

Their aircraft are all managed, they own nothing. Managed aircraft can leave at a moments notice, leaving you high and dry. Be careful! Their owners are not people you want to work for.

 

[AZ Typed]

Be careful what you read here. They try to have 3 pilots per plane, but many don't so you are 24/7, 365 on call.

Show me a charter company that has more than 3 pilots per plane, and then show me one that isn't short now and then a pilot.

The former CP was an idiot and now flies the line for them.

Can you back this up with examples of what made him/her an idiot? (btw, I have no clue who the "former CP" is)

Their aircraft are all managed, they own nothing.

Again, show me a charter company any more that actually owns their fleet. It doesn't exist - not even NetJets owns their fleet my friend.

Be careful! Their owners are not people you want to work for.

Do you know the owners? Do you know them personally? Can you give examples of why they are not people you want to work for?

I'm not defending your side or JetSelect's side...but don't throw derogatory remarks out without some support. Every company that is mentioned on this board has the same reputation. So if it's so bad at JetSelect, give us your experience and personal examples...not second-hand hearsay. That's only fair to the poor chap trying to learn more about the company.

 

[Lear Wanna Be]

Chickenwolf, it would be possible to have 14 out and backs in a 14 day rotation. That has probably never happened and probably never will, but it is possible. I would figure on 2 to 3 trips a week, with perhaps 1 or 2 RONs. One advantage is that they already have another LJ 31 on the line at CMH. I suspect the flying will be shared. They are currently hiring a CA/FO for a new addition to the fleet.

What Starcheckdriver says is not 100% correct. Right now there are only a couple aircraft not fully staffed. One and possibly two are new additions. The intent is to fully staff each aircraft. If your aircraft is short a pilot, they will give you a small bonus each month for working harder.

What happened with the guys that are running JS and Jetride, well I am sure that is complicated. From what I hear, it all started when Airnet started to try to market Jetride. They of course eventually sold out to Pinnacle. The CEO, CP, and a few others (one of which I believe was the CP at Jetride) are former Jetride guys. They don't own the place, so there must be a reason they bailed from Jetride. Business is business, I guess.

All but two aircraft are managed aircraft. Two of those aircraft are owned by the same entity that owns the business. They also have three other aircraft that are owned by an owner that does not fly very often. As in only 1 or 2 owner trips a year.

Their biggest problem right now is that they are going through growing pains. That translate into things not moving as quickly as most folks might like. Communication becomes a problem as management is busy flying and building the business. Don't take it personal, they know communication is a bit of a problem.

I can't comment on salary, but NBAA numbers should give you an idea. $40 a day per diem and 1 year training contract if you come without a type. All training is done at Bombardier/Simuflite.

 

[AZ Typed]

I was not aware of the training contract - that is very disappointing to see another carrier sucumb to that type of scumbag deal. Hire right, treat 'em right, and no contract is needed.

 

[Lear Wanna Be]

I believe in the last 6 months they have had only 1 pilot leave by his own choosing. So I think JS is probably treating their people pretty good. They have had several guys make lateral moves from other 135 operators. At least three of them were current in the Lear 60. There must be a reason JS is attracting those kind of guys.

In this particular case I like to think that JS is protecting their owners and doing the responsible thing. Also, they know you aren't going to stay forever and they want to help you meet your goals, not hold you back.

 

[starcheckdriver]

Show me a charter company that has more than 3 pilots per plane, and then show me one that isn't short now and then a pilot.



Can you back this up with examples of what made him/her an idiot? (btw, I have no clue who the "former CP" is)



Again, show me a charter company any more that actually owns their fleet. It doesn't exist - not even NetJets owns their fleet my friend.




Do you know the owners? Do you know them personally? Can you give examples of why they are not people you want to work for?

I'm not defending your side or JetSelect's side...but don't throw derogatory remarks out without some support. Every company that is mentioned on this board has the same reputation. So if it's so bad at JetSelect, give us your experience and personal examples...not second-hand hearsay. That's only fair to the poor chap trying to learn more about the company.

Jetride has 3 pilots per plane on every based aircraft. Jetride is only short on the roaming aircraft, but they fill those holes with roaming pilots and VOLUNTARY overtime. JetSelect madates the overtime if you are short (at least that is what two of your pilots told me very recently).

Jetride owns 24 of its 28 aircraft. Is that enough of an example? So, yes it does exist. And by the way, Netjets isn't considered a charter company. They are considered a fractional by industry standard and by definition, the fractional company doesn't own aircraft -- its customers own the aircraft. Bad comparison when you mentioned Netjets.

If by personally you mean have I met the owners of JetSelect? The answer is yes. Am I chum buddies with them? No. They are not good people based on what they did to Jetride. The spent several months and a good chunk of Jetride's money figuring out how to form their own business. Once accomplished, they bailed without warning. This is bad business ethics, and I wouldn't work for them.

That said, every company as you said, has problems. However, prior to my post, everything said about JetSelect was rosey. Not the case. Some if it was untrue. Nothing I have posted is inaccurate or untrue.

 

[Lear Wanna Be]

2 Lear 60s in ILG are fully staffed.

2 Lear 60s in GYY are fully staffed.

2 Challengers in SDL are fully staffed with 7 total pilots.

1 G-100 in BCT is short one pilot. This aircraft is a recent addition and they are currently searching for an FO. There is a new Lear 60 for BCT and there might be an opening or two left on that aircraft.

1 Lear 35, 1 Lear 60, and 1 Hawker 700 in DAL are fully staffed. Although the Hawker might be going through some changes.

1 Challenger 604 and a Lear 31 at CMH are fully staffed. 1 Lear 60 at CMH is short a pilot (due to CA being upgraded to BCT G-100), but currently covered by the CP. New Lear 31 at CMH is currently looking for pilots.

Now I don't have anything bad to say about Jetride or Pinnacle, but two JS guys recently came over from Jetride. I know one guy and he was a great addition for JS. So actually that is 4 Lear 60 guys that have come over from 3 other 135 companies. There has to be a reason!

 

[starcheckdriver]

LWB,

There is a reason. JS pays more than Jetride. The schedule is the same IF the aircraft are fully staffed. The benefits are almost the same, but for the 401k and maybe a couple small differences in the benefits.

The big difference is that Jetride owns 85% of its fleet and JS does not. Managed aircraft are an ify thing. I know, I have been burned twice by a managed aircraft, and no, it wasn't because of JS owners/management leaving Jetride.

There are a lot of positive things about JS. But, as with anything company, there are a lot of negatives. It is only fair for people asking to have the whole story. And believe me, there are better 135 operators than JS. And there are a lot worse as well.

 

[AZ Typed]

He just wants to bicker like tired, beat up, oldtimer - move on everyone, nothing to see here.

 

[Lear Wanna Be]

So I hear there is a guy at Jetride that insists on being called "Captain", tell me that isn't you Starcheckdriver!

 

[starcheckdriver]

So I hear there is a guy at Jetride that insists on being called "Captain", tell me that isn't you Starcheckdriver!

It's not me and he has since been let go.

 

[Lear Wanna Be]

BCT positions filled. CMH positions are still open and 1 Hawker FO position in DAL may or may not still be available.

 

[Av8tor91]

Jet Direct

Correction, Jet Direct has a 401K and they are matching 6%.

 

[DA-20]

I interviewd in KGYY last month for a 60 sic job. I could never get the guy to tell me what the pay was. But if was anything like their insurance or 401K program I'm glad they never called back.

 

[osy007]

All 135 companies suck ass...

Maybe that's because I'm getting laid off from Jetride.
But I still wouldn't go to Jet"UN"select and work for the bald headed car salesman.

The pilots are A.O.K, but the boss is the devil.

Tell Shawn W and Brandon that I said hi.