Jet for Jobs - NWA Airlinks

[festus]

Posted by flap operator:

I know very well that the NWA pilots care ZERO about what happens at XJ or PNCL. We all realize that...

Yikes, another guy who speaks for everyone!

 

[AnimalTale]

Posted by flap operator:

I know very well that the NWA pilots care ZERO about what happens at XJ or PNCL. We all realize that...
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That is horse crap. I can tell u this. NWA-MEC cares about all the pilots at the pcl and xj. They supported Mesaba 100% in their strike efforts. PCL did too.

The more u guys buy into this whipsawing the more u will hate your careers.

The boys in the regional leval SHOULD want 70 seaters to go to mainline. I do not understand why some of the regioal pilots detest this idea.

The more planes in mainline, the better your chances of getting your dream job. I know we all dreamed about flying for the big boys, not the regionals when we were kids.

Lets preserve the flying and lets preserve our workrules and rights for a GREAT career.

Adios-

 

[dondk]

The more planes in mainline, the better your chances of getting your dream job. I know we all dreamed about flying for the big boys, not the regionals when we were kids.

If your even suggesting that the majors will "pay" major wages for what is simply termed a "regional jet" you sir need to be drug tested!

Heck, I don't have a problem with NWA getting the 70/90 seat jet's. That will get the furloughee's off the street and maybe in 3-5 years there "may" be a job opening once again.

Do I believe for 1 second that NWA is going to agree to pay a CRJ CA 150K a year? a FO 100K a year? not in this lifetime. That is approximately what a DC-9 Pilot makes currently. A baby 9 is just slighty larger/heavier than the 70/90 seat version of a RJ. The difference is the CRJ can go further, faster and higher.

The only problem with mainline getting all the SJ's.. they will eventually move into the regional market and therefore take back or away the markets that were regional in nature. Why not put a 70 seat aircraft in a place where a 50 seat is always oversold? Heck if they just fill up 50 seats on a 70 seat aircraft they are already showing a profit (as long as the overhead is reasonable).

What happens to the regionals then? they cease to exist? how does one then get the experience to make it to the majors if the stepping stone or regionals are gone?

Maybe we take this one step further, since we are dreaming...

Regionals go away, all jets to mainline.. Left are some small prop operators and a bunch of pilots who want jobs. Can you say PFT once again.. I am sure a few schools will jump on the bandwagon to "help" potential pilots get that "jet training" to work for the (name the major) for a fee... Sounds like what some places are doing for the regionals now, huh? I am sure your going to be the first to support that 5 years from now when regionals don't exist that the new hire FO in your mainline (RJ) is a 300 hr pilot who paid his/her way to the seat. It is lowering the bar to the majors.. not raising it..

then again that is a dream.. probably would not happen.. the mainline unions would make sure of that.

 

[DoinTime]

The only problem with mainline getting all the SJ's.. they will eventually move into the regional market and therefore take back or away the markets that were regional in nature. Why not put a 70 seat aircraft in a place where a 50 seat is always oversold? Heck if they just fill up 50 seats on a 70 seat aircraft they are already showing a profit (as long as the overhead is reasonable).

There is no such thing as routes being inherently "regional." All flying under the Northwest code designator and with a red tail are either performed by mainline pilots or they are operated under contract. Mesaba nor Pinnacle have a rightful claim on any of this flying as their own.

 

[dondk]

There is no such thing as routes being inherently "regional." All flying under the Northwest code designator and with a red tail are either performed by mainline pilots or they are operated under contract. Mesaba nor Pinnacle have a rightful claim on any of this flying as their own.

I unfortunately disagree.. XJ has some EAS service, that is theirs not NWA's. Some stations that are/have been XJ/PCL stations connected the hub are XJ/PCL routes.

I seriously doubt that NWA is going to put a -9 on a DTW-ELM, ERI, TOL, PLN: MSP-INL,TVF,YQT; or a MEM-TUP, MSL,PAH routes.. My point is "some" routes are specifically regional routes, they have been operated by a regional for years, some basically forever. Some of those routes actually belong to the specific carrier. Before Express I or II, or XJ joined the ranks of NWA they had there own specific routes which were given to them by the DOT. Unless they sold them, the specific carrier still owns them.

Now while I think if XJ or PCL will never digress back to only flying their own routes, it does say that we (the regionals) are way too far in bed with our mainline couterparts. If they ever pulled the plug or ran us out of the flying we are doing.. there is not much left over.

 

[flap operator]

Festus and animal tale...

Yup, they supported us during our contract efforts and I appreciate that. However, they're MEC supported us, who unfortunately does NOT speak for everyone in the pilot group. So, I'm still left with a bit of skepticism with the fact that all pilots at NWA actually care about us at XJ or PNCL. And why should they? They've got their own careers to worry about. After all, haven't we already established that the NWA MEC and pilots will do whatever they possibly can to get as much for themselves as possible?

AvrodriveRJ85 - dude... RELAX! you're getting way too worked up about something we KNOW NOTHING ABOUT. It's a frekaing proposal in it's simplest form. We don't know the outcome yet, so why get all worked up?



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