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I just read in today's WSJ (11/9) that Jet Blue's CFO (John Harvey) just quit to pursue "other professional interests." Hmmmmm. I guess working in the airline industry for most of his career (including time at SWA) and then ascending the ranks to CFO of a growing LCC airline wasn't good enough for him. That sounds odd to me because he sounded like an "airline guy" who enjoyed this crazy business...

Is this an ominous sign? What could this mean? First the founder is out. Now the CFO unexpectedly resigns. Any thoughts?????

See below:

JetBlue names Ed Barnes interim CFO

Thu Nov 8, 2007 5:21pm EST

LOS ANGELES, Nov 8 (Reuters) - JetBlue Airways (JBLU.O: Quote, Profile, Research) said on Thursday it had named Ed Barnes interim chief financial officer effective immediately following the resignation of John Harvey, who intends to pursue other professional interests. Barnes has been with the company since last year, most recently as senior vice president of finance and principal accounting officer
 
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It's Still nine chess moves away, but soon it will be clear.

Consolodation is coming and jetBlue will be without a dance partner.

American-British Airways
United-US Airways
Delta-Northwest
Southwest-AirTran-Alaska
Continental-CommutAir-Skybus

jetBlue-???
 
netjets or jetblue?

Alright guys......netjets or jetblue? I just finished training at jetblue and I interview next week at netjets.......tell me what ya think....
 
It's Still nine chess moves away, but soon it will be clear.

Consolodation is coming and jetBlue will be without a dance partner.


Continental-CommutAir-Skybus

jetBlue-???

Still mad that Continental shot you down eh?

Sour grapes. Nice unicorn btw, is that from your sticker collection?
 
Alright guys......netjets or jetblue? I just finished training at jetblue and I interview next week at netjets.......tell me what ya think....

Netjets is by far a safer and better company to work for. Better Pay, No Commute, No crash pad in Lovely Queens, No airport car. FREE HEALTH CARE for the ENTIRE FAMILY! Our owners are much better equiped to ride out higher gas prices that are coming. Yeah you might be flying a small Business jet vs a Mighty E-190 Commuter Jet but does it matter? Maybe to the 27 year old with the Frosted tips hair cut and the Ipod in his ear new Hire at jetblue.

We stay in 4 and 5 star hotels get to keep all the Hotel points and Airline Miles. Taking the Family on vacation by Non reving on any airline is a thing or the past. Just look UAL is thinking about parking 100 jets if fuel goes up.

Oh yeah instead of Overdosing on Blue chips on your next Red eye you can eat a lot healthier here as we can order pretty much what ever we want for food and as many time 4 meals per day.
 
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netjets or jetblue?

I interview next week at Netjets and cant wait. Everything sounds so much better than 121 flying to me. Thanks for your input...
 
Spent 3 1/2 yrs at NJA...decent place and great pilots.
NJA vs JB day to day job doesnt even compare.
You will be doing allot more at NJA than flying the airplane.
If it's what you like then good on ya.
I couldn't wait to leave.

Fly Safe
C
 
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having done both the Fractional type work on a Citation X and Citation V and 121 flying I can tell you that Frac pilots should get paid a lot more (looks like NJA will be soon).. IT'S A LOT MORE WORK!

You're:

-Pilot
-F/A (or something like it)
-Gate Agent
-Ground Handler
-Bag Handler
-Catering Dept.
-Cabin Cleaning
-Customer Service
-etc..

It's rewarding when you get the job done and the customer is very happy.. heck I've been known to get $100 tips (Ben Stein gave me a check for $250).. but it's a lot of work.. Back when NJA was paying their CA's $50K I was amazed that they put up with it, but with $150K salaries on the horizon, it's almost something I could do again.

For me actually the worse part was the guaranteed 6am flight out of my home town to EWR to get over to TEB every start of a rotation.. it's not the same as j/s commuting, but it still is commuting, and I prefer to be home everynight and to park my car at the airport and drive to / from work. That's just me.
 
Spent 3 1/2 yrs at NJA...decent place and great pilots.
NJA vs JB day to day job doesnt even compare.
You will be doing allot more at NJA than flying the airplane.
If it's what you like then good on ya.
I couldn't wait to leave.

Fly Safe
C

Couldn't agree more. I'll take my 18-20 days a month off with tremendous flexibility at F9 any day.
 
Couldn't agree more. I'll take my 18-20 days a month off with tremendous flexibility at F9 any day.

Yeah Like Every Line Holder at F9 Is getting 18-20 Days off a Month! Let's be relistic what is a new Hire getting? How Long til you can Hold 18-20 Days Off a Month if that is really what you say your getting every month at Frontier. Are your Trips Commutable on Both ends? I don't know any airline that offers 18-20 days off Commutable Lines to the rank and File pilot group. Last I saw on airline Pilot central it says F9 is 12 off per month.

Cgmasion1 did you leave pre or post Contract? I don't know what fleet you were in but I average 2 legs per tour 1 hour to 1.5 hr duration I'm sitting in the Hyatt hotel Day 6 in SFO with No plane or crew we did the same thing Day 2 sat at the Hilton in SJC No Plane aswell. Pay wise a new hire under the current contract on the 7/7 will break $48K first year under the current TA it will between $65-75K debending on the 7/7 thru 18 Day sched. I'm sure you were in the X and they work alot harder then others but we do have guys that come here with small P.P's and think they will get more dates and choose that fleet. As far as bags cleaning up go it nothing in my eye's now if your ofn the CE680 forget it that things a Moving truck with wings and you couldn't get me near that thing especially since all Captain/FO pay will be the same. Also Doesn't JetBlue make there pilots help out the FA's with Cleaning the cabin as well?
 
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having done both the Fractional type work on a Citation X and Citation V and 121 flying I can tell you that Frac pilots should get paid a lot more (looks like NJA will be soon).. IT'S A LOT MORE WORK!

You're:

-Pilot
-F/A (or something like it)
-Gate Agent
-Ground Handler
-Bag Handler
-Catering Dept.
-Cabin Cleaning
-Customer Service
-etc..

It's rewarding when you get the job done and the customer is very happy.. heck I've been known to get $100 tips (Ben Stein gave me a check for $250).. but it's a lot of work.. Back when NJA was paying their CA's $50K I was amazed that they put up with it, but with $150K salaries on the horizon, it's almost something I could do again.

For me actually the worse part was the guaranteed 6am flight out of my home town to EWR to get over to TEB every start of a rotation.. it's not the same as j/s commuting, but it still is commuting, and I prefer to be home everynight and to park my car at the airport and drive to / from work. That's just me.

Some people like more interaction with passengers. Some don't. Some pilots would rather just turn left and close the door. I think Netjets offers some great opportunities to meet some very interesting people - the same people you see on the news or read about in magazines. You probably don't see many of those people on Jet Blue (perhaps Rosie Perez on her way to visit her momma in Puerto Rico).

We all know that Netjets pilots don't do everything on that list all the time. FBO linemen also handle bags and Netjets CSRs do a lot of the passenger travel arrangements - maybe not every time but the absolute majority of the time. That is what I have heard from friends at Netjets.

I love it how many of the former Netjets pilots who left before the latest contract seem to know everything about Netjets today. Things have changed and things will continue to get better (especially for the newhires) when the TA passes. 100 domiciles, much better starting pay and 3 types of schedules. Things have changed since many of these people departed.

Also, everyone talks about how busy Netjets pilots can be during their tours. However, this busy schedule does not apply to every fleet - that's a huge point. Sure, the Citation X, Excel and maybe the Sovereign pilots tend to work their arses off because they operate the largest and most popular fleets. There is tremendous demand for shares in these aircraft types - they are popular and they fly a lot. That said, I know guys flying the Encore/Ultra and Beechjet who barely fly at all during their tours - maybe 2-leg days and some days off here and there. It's not like flying 7 legs per day for a regional. I would venture to say that Jet Blue pilots fly more than Beechjet or Ultra/Encore pilots fly at Netjets. Your fleet type makes a big difference in terms of your utilization during your tours... It's too easy to generalize about the entire workforce.

Netjets has changed for the better (especially if the TA passes) for newhires. You cannot apply an old perspective of Netjets to the Netjets of today. It ain't a job for everyone - it requires a huge interest in customer service (you don't need as much interest in the airline business when you can just ask your FAs to take care of it and you can close your door). People need to be more flexible - you don't find the structure you would find in the 121 world. It is a very different type of flying. I wonder how many people regret their decision to come to Jet Blue (from Netjets or otherwise)? Sounds like the CFO wasn't too happy...
 
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Some people like more interaction with passengers. Some don't. Some pilots would rather just turn left and close the door. I think Netjets offers some great opportunities to meet some very interesting people - the same people you see on the news or read about in magazines. You probably don't see many of those people on Jet Blue (perhaps Rosie Perez on her way to visit her momma in Puerto Rico).


I did indeed meet a lot of seriously important and interesting people.. most of whom were great.

We all know that Netjets pilots don't do everything on that list all the time. FBO linemen also handle bags and Netjets CSRs do a lot of the passenger travel arrangements - maybe not every time but the absolute majority of the time. That is what I have heard from friends at Netjets.

be careful not to set yourself or your fellow fi.com members hopes high here.. unless the new contract that NJA has prohibits it, you WILL be handling bags a lot (the limo guy usually drops them off at the ramp for you). You're the only one responsible to store bags in the bag hold of your airplane, and unless it's a large one it's a pain in the arse on a hot and humid day in FL.. I really hated it on the Citation X.

I love it how many of the former Netjets pilots who left before the latest contract seem to know everything about Netjets today. Things have changed and things will continue to get better (especially for the newhires) when the TA passes. 100 domiciles, much better starting pay and 3 types of schedules. Things have changed since many of these people departed.

Also, everyone talks about how busy Netjets pilots can be during their tours. However, this busy schedule does not apply to every fleet - that's a huge point. Sure, the Citation X, Excel and maybe the Sovereign pilots tend to work their arses off because they operate the largest and most popular fleets. There is tremendous demand for shares in these aircraft types - they are popular and they fly a lot. That said, I know guys flying the Encore/Ultra and Beechjet who barely fly at all during their tours - maybe 2-leg days and some days off here and there. It's not like flying 7 legs per day for a regional. I would venture to say that Jet Blue pilots fly more than Beechjet or Ultra/Encore pilots fly at Netjets. Your fleet type makes a big difference in terms of your utilization during your tours... It's too easy to generalize about the entire workforce.

Netjets has changed for the better (especially if the TA passes) for newhires. You cannot apply an old perspective of Netjets to the Netjets of today. It ain't a job for everyone - it requires a huge interest in customer service (you don't need as much interest in the airline business when you can just ask your FAs to take care of it and you can close your door). People need to be more flexible - you don't find the structure you would find in the 121 world. It is a very different type of flying. I wonder how many people regret their decision to come to Jet Blue (from Netjets or otherwise)? Sounds like the CFO wasn't too happy...

NetJets is certainly the respectable operation it always should have been for it's pilots now. I worked for an "exclusive" vendor back in 2000-2004 and was shocked at how poorly the pilots were paid (compare to us vendors), and how nice their facilities were.. the two didn't go together.. I would expect bad pay if the operation was a mom and pop or start up, but in 2001 it was a mature, fancy operation and their pilots were paid a fraction (pardon the pun) of what other similar type pilots were paid. NOT ANY MORE.. ;) Bravo for their union.
 
Dont know how this got to be a Netjet thread, but to the original topic, how many CEOs and CFOs has all the other airlines been through???? We'll be fine here at JB
 
I interview next week at Netjets and cant wait. Everything sounds so much better than 121 flying to me. Thanks for your input...

Greetings. I just sent my app in for NetJets. How long did it take for you to get the interview?

Take Care
 
As a former Jetblue guy at Netjets I have to say I like the fractional better. Believe me, I don't like to vacuum and as a former widebody cargo guy I prefer to wear sweatpants and sit in the -400 on the autopilot. If the IBB thing passes at Netjets it is the better job IMHO.
 
So when did this turn into a Netjets thread, can people not read? Anyway all you guys at JB better quite right now, the end is coming, run for the hills, get out now...
 
It really pisses me off how people hijack these threads so lets get it back on track:

I did 8 years at a frac and have been at jb for 2 years. I will second the F9 guy stating that he gets 18 days off..

I flew min sked at about 72 hrs credit last month and got 19 days off all commutable.

This month is 17 days off 86 hrs and all trips with the exception of the last leg of the last pairing are commutable.

After I was here a year I was able to get at least 50% of my trips commutable and average 16-17 days off per month.

Even our guys on reserve are able at least 15-16 days off with the new long call reserve system.

I enjoyed the frac flying more as it was always changing and lots of fun places. I absolutely dont miss being on the road for 7-8 days at a time. I have so much flexibility with my schedule and can literally pick what days I want to work. It is by far the best benefit of this job.
 
It really pisses me off how people hijack these threads so lets get it back on track:

I did 8 years at a frac and have been at jb for 2 years. I will second the F9 guy stating that he gets 18 days off..

I flew min sked at about 72 hrs credit last month and got 19 days off all commutable.

This month is 17 days off 86 hrs and all trips with the exception of the last leg of the last pairing are commutable.

After I was here a year I was able to get at least 50% of my trips commutable and average 16-17 days off per month.

Even our guys on reserve are able at least 15-16 days off with the new long call reserve system.

I enjoyed the frac flying more as it was always changing and lots of fun places. I absolutely dont miss being on the road for 7-8 days at a time. I have so much flexibility with my schedule and can literally pick what days I want to work. It is by far the best benefit of this job.

I have to second that, the new long call system is great. In Sep I stayed home a total of 19 days with all of my long calls and one or two last day releases. Oct was even better 23 days at home. I'm already into my 6th one for Nov which puts me to at least 18 days off. At this rate I might keep bidding reserve in a few months when I can hold a line. Not so great for the paychecks but this is more time at home than I've ever had with any company.
 
It is odd how the subject changes so quickly on these threads. As far as JB vs. NJA you should ask yourself these questions:

1. Do you want to work for an absolute market leader (NJA is the undisputed market leader in the fractional world) or do you want to work for an airline getting battered from all sides (SWA, DAL, Spirit, VA, Air Tran) competing for the lowest-price passengers? Can you handle the stress of not working for a market leader?

2. Do you want to fly to the same destinations over and over (some people like structure) or do you want the ability to fly anywhere including very remote locations where you might have to use your flying skills? Some people don't mind flying JFK-MCO and back several times per tour.

3. Do you want to interface with interesting passengers (celebrities and sports stars here and there) or do you want to turn left and shut the cockpit door? JB would provide you the ability to avoid most customer contact - unlike Netjets.

4. Do you mind constantly flying into JFK during the snowy winter (let's not forget Valentine's day) and the turbulent summer? You will spend a lot of time at JFK working at JB - it's unavoidable...

5. Would you be ok with flying 1-2 aircraft types for the rest of your career or do you want to fly the latest and greatest bizjets as they roll out? Some people want to fly the Airbus forever and just let the autopilot fly...


Do Netjets pilots have to go that extra mile with their passengers? Yes. Does that entail baggage handling and maybe arranging ground transportation for owners? Probably. Do you need to be actually care about customer service at Netjets? Yes - without loyal customers you won't have a job.

With Netjets' new TA, the pay/benefits/domicile package will be very hard to beat. Sure, 7/7 could be hard on some people (although I think it allows you to plan your life and you get three weeks off in a row if you take a middle week off), but you can also choose from other schedule options. Check out the fractional board if you need more input.

Clickclickboom, I am betting that you never flew for Netjets. Other fractional carriers can't compete with Netjets' new TA and I think it warrants consideration by a lot of pilots out there. If I didn't like my gig so much I would be applying myself...

Now, back to the orginal topic.
 
Fractional vs. 121?

It is odd how the subject changes so quickly on these threads. As far as JB vs. NJA you should ask yourself these questions:

1. Do you want to work for an absolute market leader (NJA is the undisputed market leader in the fractional world) or do you want to work for an airline getting battered from all sides (SWA, DAL, Spirit, VA, Air Tran) competing for the lowest-price passengers? Can you handle the stress of not working for a market leader?

More times than not we are not the lowest cost from point "A" to point "B". Just check it out for yourself. Jetblue continues to make money and deliver a highly competitive product. We continue to win praise from both our passengers and numerous travel awards.
As for the stress level, just try and please some of the passengers at the fractional level, you are just another one of the hired help.

2. Do you want to fly to the same destinations over and over (some people like structure) or do you want the ability to fly anywhere including very remote locations where you might have to use your flying skills? Some people don't mind flying JFK-MCO and back several times per tour.

There is a great deal of variety in our flying, I agree that the fractional world see's a great deal more variety than the 121 world, however I will take the time at home in the 121 gig over the time spent sitting in an FBO any day.

3. Do you want to interface with interesting passengers (celebrities and sports stars here and there) or do you want to turn left and shut the cockpit door? JB would provide you the ability to avoid most customer contact - unlike Netjets.

Jetblue is one of the most interactive with the customer of any 121 airline I have ever witnessed. I would have to disagree with your assertion that we just turn left and close the door. Our customers overwhelming applause our interaction and continue to give their praise when it comes to our operation.

4. Do you mind constantly flying into JFK during the snowy winter (let's not forget Valentine's day) and the turbulent summer? You will spend a lot of time at JFK working at JB - it's unavoidable...

You're right, JFK sucks!

5. Would you be ok with flying 1-2 aircraft types for the rest of your career or do you want to fly the latest and greatest bizjets as they roll out? Some people want to fly the Airbus forever and just let the autopilot fly...

I am allright with just flying one type for the rest of my career. I have seen enough to know that most types are just about the same with a bit of differences concerning the avionics packages. Who cares? I would say that most aircraft types and pilots fly just about the same amount with the autopilot engaged as with the autopilot disengaged. Furthermore, most bizjet cockpits are quite small and I enjoy the spacious cockpit of the A-320.

Do Netjets pilots have to go that extra mile with their passengers? Yes. Does that entail baggage handling and maybe arranging ground transportation for owners? Probably. Do you need to be actually care about customer service at Netjets? Yes - without loyal customers you won't have a job.

Is that different from any other customer service job in aviation?

With Netjets' new TA, the pay/benefits/domicile package will be very hard to beat. Sure, 7/7 could be hard on some people (although I think it allows you to plan your life and you get three weeks off in a row if you take a middle week off), but you can also choose from other schedule options. Check out the fractional board if you need more input.

Reserve at Jetblue sucks! 12 days off guarenteed, that's it! However, reserve at most airlines suck, it is just the way it is. The long call only works some of the time, and not for every seat in every aircraft. When it does work you can expect anywhere from an extra 1-5 days off per month. That helps to make it a bit more palitable.

Clickclickboom, I am betting that you never flew for Netjets. Other fractional carriers can't compete with Netjets' new TA and I think it warrants consideration by a lot of pilots out there. If I didn't like my gig so much I would be applying myself...

Now, back to the orginal topic.

In closing we all make choices when it comes to where we work and what we will are willing to do when it comes to our career's. I will put it to you and everyone out there that we are all more alike than we are different. We are all just trying to provide the best living and quality of life for ourselves and our families. It truly amazes me when people get on these web boards and belittle and criticize each other because of the choices that we have made. Each of us has made sacrafices to fit our situations or the circumstances that life has delt use.

This is our biggest problem as pilots, we are selfish and un carring about the other guy. If this were not true we would have figured out a long time ago how to truly hold our employeer's accountable and protect what we all have worked so hard to achieve.

Good luck and god bless all of our veterans.
 
It is odd how the subject changes so quickly on these threads. As far as JB vs. NJA you should ask yourself these questions:

1. Do you want to work for an absolute market leader (NJA is the undisputed market leader in the fractional world) or do you want to work for an airline getting battered from all sides (SWA, DAL, Spirit, VA, Air Tran) competing for the lowest-price passengers? Can you handle the stress of not working for a market leader?

2. Do you want to fly to the same destinations over and over (some people like structure) or do you want the ability to fly anywhere including very remote locations where you might have to use your flying skills? Some people don't mind flying JFK-MCO and back several times per tour.

3. Do you want to interface with interesting passengers (celebrities and sports stars here and there) or do you want to turn left and shut the cockpit door? JB would provide you the ability to avoid most customer contact - unlike Netjets.

4. Do you mind constantly flying into JFK during the snowy winter (let's not forget Valentine's day) and the turbulent summer? You will spend a lot of time at JFK working at JB - it's unavoidable...

5. Would you be ok with flying 1-2 aircraft types for the rest of your career or do you want to fly the latest and greatest bizjets as they roll out? Some people want to fly the Airbus forever and just let the autopilot fly...


Do Netjets pilots have to go that extra mile with their passengers? Yes. Does that entail baggage handling and maybe arranging ground transportation for owners? Probably. Do you need to be actually care about customer service at Netjets? Yes - without loyal customers you won't have a job.

With Netjets' new TA, the pay/benefits/domicile package will be very hard to beat. Sure, 7/7 could be hard on some people (although I think it allows you to plan your life and you get three weeks off in a row if you take a middle week off), but you can also choose from other schedule options. Check out the fractional board if you need more input.

Clickclickboom, I am betting that you never flew for Netjets. Other fractional carriers can't compete with Netjets' new TA and I think it warrants consideration by a lot of pilots out there. If I didn't like my gig so much I would be applying myself...

Now, back to the orginal topic.


I would not tell anyone not to consider nj I know many people at both the nja and nji side of the company and it is a good deal. If i was hired there after flops went down the tubes I would not have looked elsewhere.

That being said my primary motivation is FAMILY. I am fortunate enough to have other sources of income so for me I am all about the time off period.

The jb pairings are for the most part very productive and you work you butt off. It is not uncommon to have a 4 day trip with 6-7 hrs of flying and near min rest in between.. These trips go very senior
 
Do you want to interface with interesting passengers (celebrities and sports stars here and there)

When you say interface and someone else said interact-do you mean stuff like:

Sir your catering is located here?

I don't know about you but my pax at NJA used to come hang out with me at my crib all the time.

Before someone gets offended-NJA is a good place.
Way better than when I was there thanks to the NJA pilots hard work.
I would still have left though-not what I personally want to do for my career.
 
I have to second that, the new long call system is great. In Sep I stayed home a total of 19 days with all of my long calls and one or two last day releases. Oct was even better 23 days at home. I'm already into my 6th one for Nov which puts me to at least 18 days off. At this rate I might keep bidding reserve in a few months when I can hold a line. Not so great for the paychecks but this is more time at home than I've ever had with any company.

Yeah, cant complain. Flew 7 days last month. 2 this month. Average 23 days at home a month. Helps that I live at base:D
 
Since this thread has fallin off track, I might as well add my thoughts. (I will try to keep it brief).


1. Job security. For me, this is top of the list of priority.


2. Boring. Say what you want about NJs flying, but you cant call it boring.


3. Pay and benifits. With this IBB, JB cant compete with NJs.
 
Since this thread has fallin off track, I might as well add my thoughts. (I will try to keep it brief).


1. Job security. For me, this is top of the list of priority.


2. Boring. Say what you want about NJs flying, but you cant call it boring.


3. Pay and benifits. With this IBB, JB cant compete with NJs.

And this comes from a person with A320 time!!!! What about aircraft - how do the Netjets aircraft compare with the mighty Airbus? I guess the A320 wins on comfort up front...
 
And this comes from a person with A320 time!!!! What about aircraft - how do the Netjets aircraft compare with the mighty Airbus? I guess the A320 wins on comfort up front...

You cant beat the comfort of an A320. But again, for me, job security is more important.
 

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