Jet Blue Pilot Contract

[AAflyer]

JayDub,

That is great. How many other companies could you say I am not sure where my contract is, I haven't really looked for it. I carry mine everywhere, I have to. I envy you!!

Like Skirt said, I would gladly take a hand shake from someone I trusted over a legal binding agreement that I now have to be a lawyer to read, and waste MY time making sure it is followed, and if not MY time grieving it, which costs MY company money to defend it, and MY union dues to fight it. WOW, talk about a vicious circle.

AA

 

[JayDub]

AAFlyer,

I am treated more like a person than when I was a member of a six man flight department! Yes, it'll change... one day. But, I'll always know I was a part of something special, no matter how long it lasts. That alone is worth it for me. It may not be for everyone, but that's ok too. I wish you well.


respectfully,


JayDub

 

[yaks]

jetblue contract

If their intentions are so good, why do they need their pilots to sign an employment contract?

 

[Skank]

Yak,
beacuse it's fun, and now we all have a genuine piece of David Neeleman memorabilia (his signature).


I can't go into any more detail because it's part of the free everything agreement we have with Airbus.

 

[wil]

The following is not intended to flame any airline or car owner!!

If JetBlue is such a flash in the pan then why is Delta investing God knows how much into Song? Do you think F/A unforms designed by Kate Spade, video screens and "Songtini's" would be at Song if the competition was SWA. He!! no! They would just operate a cattle car out of NY to be on par with SWA. JB has tapped a market that has been going unnoticed by the Airlines for a long time. Why do you think the Porsche Boxster is such a hit? It carries the Porsche brand but priced to be affordable to a large segment of people who want more than a Nissan "Z" (and don't want to part with 80k for a 911). JB has a bright future ahead. Neeleman is a visionary who leads. He doesn't react to the market, the market reacts to him. That's the rant- Wil

 

[Snoopy58]

why is Delta investing God knows how much into Song?

Because they recognize a threat when they see one... and the fact that they're LATE getting started. I think it's interesting contrasting the fate of Legend Airlines with Jet Blue. Legend had a good product that competed with American. American stomped them into the ground, and fast, by outfitting F-100's with a comparable interior & seats & service and operating them (like Legend) out of Love Field, serving the same destinations at fares that ran Legend out of money while they were still in their infancy. Of course, when Legend died, so did the AA service. (Still can't figure how they never got slammed on anti-trust grounds for that, but oh well.)

In contrast, Jet Blue arrived on the scene at a time that about everyone else was ducking for cover in the aftermath of 9/11. Nobody was able to to mount an immediate response, which gave Jet Blue time to get beyond the initial vulnerability of the start-up period. Now, Delta is mounting a response with Song, and we'll see how JB handles their first determined challenge. Not that I'm betting against JB; they have a good product, good attitudes, and lower costs than Delta.

But they also got a head start on the process that others like Legend, didn't get.

Snoopy

 

[colorado418]

The following is not intended to flame any airline or car owner!!

If JetBlue is such a flash in the pan then why is Delta investing God knows how much into Song? Do you think F/A unforms designed by Kate Spade, video screens and "Songtini's" would be at Song if the competition was SWA. He!! no! They would just operate a cattle car out of NY to be on par with SWA. JB has tapped a market that has been going unnoticed by the Airlines for a long time. Why do you think the Porsche Boxster is such a hit? It carries the Porsche brand but priced to be affordable to a large segment of people who want more than a Nissan "Z" (and don't want to part with 80k for a 911). JB has a bright future ahead. Neeleman is a visionary who leads. He doesn't react to the market, the market reacts to him. That's the rant- Wil

Keep up the ranting Wil. Sounds good to me!!!

This is a GREAT place to work. It really is fun to go to work again...

 

[jetblue320]

In contrast, Jet Blue arrived on the scene at a time that about everyone else was ducking for cover in the aftermath of 9/11. Nobody was able to to mount an immediate response, which gave Jet Blue time to get beyond the initial vulnerability of the start-up period. Now, Delta is mounting a response with Song, and we'll see how JB handles their first determined challenge. Not that I'm betting against JB; they have a good product, good attitudes, and lower costs than Delta.

But they also got a head start on the process that others like Legend, didn't get.

Snoopy

Just for the record (and NO, I'm not getting defensive!) JB started operations in February of 2000, some 20 months before 9/11. But to say that 9/11 bought us some time and certain advantages is a true statement. It also proved that we were a formitable (sp) airline and were not as vulnerable as others thought. We connected with a lot of people during that period and gained a lot of respect from our customers. Luckily, we weren't the target either like our fallen comrades at AA and UAL. Who knows (or wants to think about) what would have happened then. It still gives me goose bumps thinking about it. It's a sad state of affairs and believe me, getting success by having misfortune fall on your fellow airlines is not what JB (or anyone other airline) is all about.

But yes, it is fair to say that we got a head start. Like in a lot of things in life, it's all timing.

 

[Hose A. Jiminez]

Why do you think the Porsche Boxster is such a hit?

The Boxer is a piece of chit

 

[wil]

Hose- it's Boxster and it has been credited for turning Porsche around financially.

 

[Hose A. Jiminez]

Hose- it's Boxster and it has been credited for turning Porsche around financially.

Thats because enough people were willing to dump 48k on a piece of chit that said Porsche on it.

It rattles and parts start to break faster than a Pontiac Fiero. Now there was a fine piece of machinery.

 

[Dizel8]

So Hose, you got wirewheels and curbfeelers on your Fiero? Bet that is a fine looking machine

 

[Hose A. Jiminez]

Its got front, back and side to side.

 

[Dizel8]

Dang, that Fiero sounds Biiiiiiiiiiitching!

 

[colorado418]

Re: jetblue contract

If their intentions are so good, why do they need their pilots to sign an employment contract?

I think that you don't become a millionaire by being naive. David and Dave know that even in a world class organization, there is still a 10% bad apple hire factor. Yes, even pilots are included in that. There needs to be a structure around which we operate. Our contract though is about as thick as section 25 alone from my last job. That should say something.

I don't really think that I need to defend jetBlue management. Their actions speakk for themselves. We were just told that there was going to be a small token of thanks given out to all the employees of the company for the work we did during the black out. When was the last time that happened at other places.

Oops, I used to work at Allegheny and we did get a great tin of cookies from Airways. I looked forward to getting it. Then one day I opened my "cookies"..... It was a chunk of Cheddar cheese. I liked the cookies better....

 

[yaks]

jb pilot contract

There is nothing to stop them from firing the bad apples without the contract. And no you don't need to defend your employer since the position is indefensible.

 

[General Lee]

As far as Delta being "late" into the LCC arena, atleast they are trying. Song was created to fight against Jetblue primarily---knowing that they had a good product. To say that Jetblue will not be affected by Song is ridiculous. Currently Jetblue attracts a lot of passengers from all around the NYC area and boroughs---but Song will have the same fares and supposedly better entertainment from all 3 NYC airports, which will make a difference. We shall see, but Delta is the only Major to really see this threat and actually do something about it that might work. When all 37 757s are up and running with the TV system (in OCT or later?? I don't know when.....)---then we shall see how it affects Jetblue and the others.......(Delta is saying that we are doing well at Song---and they are the ones with the books...)

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[JayDub]

Yaks,

Please read my previous post. It would cost my company a whole lot more to replace me than at many airlines. They have zero financial motivation to get rid of me. How many other places of employment is that true of?

respectfully,

JayDub

 

[Heavy Set]

Southwest and Frontier TV Systems Coming

Watch out for Southwest if/when it installs TV systems in its airplanes in the future. I have heard that Southwest intends to "neutralize" the entertainment advantage that JetBlue provides... Frontier is also supposed to be adding TV/entertainment systems on their Airbus aircraft as well... Pretty soon, it will come down to price and frequency when all LCCs and Song have similar entertainment offerings...

Nobody wins a price war... Delta, however, can subsidize its LCC offering with international-route profits. I bet Song will grow to 70-100 757s flying around the country eventually. It will be interesting to watch...

 

[Skank]

Frontier is adding Live TV equipment (installed by Jetbue). As to Southwest, I haven't heard what their plans are.